H5N1 DNA in Flu Vaccine

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URGENT WARNING: H5N1 DNA in Flu Vaccine
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zcniJxck0gI

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what are they up too millions of people in britain are given the anti flu jab each year especially the old folks, Ive always been suspicious of it, and this confirms why there is a good reason to be.!!!
Flu Mist a popular over the counter live flu vaccine has been found to contain two H5N1 DNA markers, these markers seem to have been sewn into the flu mist vaccine to ensure that H5N1 or another strain of Avian Flu goes pandemic.
This is going to cause major problems before long, it is imperative that people are warned about flu mist.
 

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Do you actually know how a vaccine works? H5N1 is a broad subclass of the Influenza A virus, of which the bird flu (HPAI A(H5N1) belongs. The H5N1 just refers to the protein structures on the viral envelope, so a broad spectrum vaccine can be produced by adding the deactivated proteins to the vaccine. Then your immune system can begin to build the antibodies by recognition of the antigen.

This is a preventative measure. Vaccines are the sole reason we have eradicated one disease, a rather famous one really. Smallpox.
 

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Do you actually know how a vaccine works? H5N1 is a broad subclass of the Influenza A virus, of which the bird flu (HPAI A(H5N1) belongs. The H5N1 just refers to the protein structures on the viral envelope, so a broad spectrum vaccine can be produced by adding the deactivated proteins to the vaccine. Then your immune system can begin to build the antibodies by recognition of the antigen.

This is a preventative measure. Vaccines are the sole reason we have eradicated one disease, a rather famous one really. Smallpox.

A pathogen (from Greek pathos, suffering/emotion, and gene, to give birth to), infectious agent, or more commonly germ, is a biological agent that causes disease or illness to its host.[1] The term pathogen is derived from the Greek "that which produces suffering." There are several substrates and pathways whereby pathogens can invade a host; the principal pathways have different episodic time frames, but soil contamination has the longest or most persistent potential for harboring a pathogen.
The body contains many natural defenses against some of the common pathogens (such as Pneumocystis) in the form of the human immune system and by some "helpful" bacteria present in the human body's normal flora. However, if the immune system or "good" bacteria is damaged in any way (such as by chemotherapy, human immunodeficiency virus (HIV), or antibiotics being taken to kill other pathogens), pathogenic bacteria that were being held at bay can proliferate and cause harm to the host. Such cases are called opportunistic infections.
Some pathogens (such as the bacterium Yersinia pestis, which may have caused the Black Plague, the Variola virus, and the Malaria protozoa) have been responsible for massive numbers of casualties and have had numerous effects on afflicted groups. Of particular note in modern times is HIV, which is known to have infected several million humans globally, along with Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) and the Influenza virus. Today, while many medical advances have been made to safeguard against infection by pathogens, through the use of vaccination, antibiotics, and fungicide, pathogens continue to threaten human life. Social advances such as food safety, hygiene, and water treatment have reduced the threat from some pathogens.


The global spread of highly pathogenic H5N1 in birds is considered a significant pandemic threat.
While other H5N1 strains are known, they are significantly different from a current, highly pathogenic H5N1 strain on a genetic level, making the global spread of this new strain unprecedented. The H5N1 strain is a fast-mutating, highly pathogenic avian influenza virus (HPAI) found in multiple bird species. It is both epizootic (an epidemic in non-humans) and panzootic (a disease affecting animals of many species especially over a wide area). Unless otherwise indicated, "H5N1" in this article refers to the recent highly pathogenic strain of H5N1.
"Since 1997, studies of H5N1 indicate that these viruses continue to evolve, with changes in antigenicity and internal gene constellations; an expanded host range in avian species and the ability to infect felids; enhanced pathogenicity in experimentally infected mice and ferrets, in which they cause systemic infections; and increased environmental stability."[1]

Cumulate Human Cases of and Deaths from H5N1
As of April 11, 2007 Notes:
Tens of millions of birds have died of H5N1 influenza and hundreds of millions of birds have been slaughtered and disposed of, to limit the spread of H5N1. Countries that have reported one or more major highly pathogenic H5N1 outbreaks in birds (causing at least thousands but in some cases millions of dead birds) are (in order of first outbreak occurrence): Korea, Vietnam, Japan, Thailand, Cambodia, Laos, Indonesia, China, Malaysia, Russia, Kazakhstan, Mongolia, Turkey, Romania, Croatia, Ukraine, Cyprus, Iraq, Nigeria, Egypt, India, France, Niger, Bosnia, Azerbaijan, Albania, Cameroon, Myanmar, Afghanistan, Israel, Pakistan, Jordan, Burkina Faso, Germany, Sudan, Ivory Coast, Djibouti, Hungary, United Kingdom, Kuwait, Bangladesh, Saudi Arabia, Ghana, Czech Republic, Togo.
Highly pathogenic H5N1 has been found in birds in the wild in numerous other countries: Austria, Bulgaria, Denmark, Greece, Iran, Italy, Poland, Serbia and Montenegro, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland. Surveillance of H5N1 in humans, poultry, wild birds, cats and other animals remains very weak in many parts of Asia and Africa. Much remains unknown about the exact extent of its spread.
H5N1 has low pathogenic varieties endemic in birds in North America. H5N1 has a highly pathogenic variety that is endemic in dozens of species of birds throughout south Asia and is threatening to become endemic in birds in west Asia and Africa. So far, it is very difficult for humans to become infected with H5N1. The presence of highly pathogenic (deadly) H5N1 around the world in both birds in the wild (swans, magpies, ducks, geese, pigeons, eagles, etc.) and in chickens and turkeys on farms has been demonstrated in millions of cases with the virus isolate actually sequenced in hundreds of cases yielding definitive proof of the evolution of this strain of this subtype of the species Influenzavirus A (bird flu virus).

pathogenic H5N1
ARE YOU AWARE OF THE EFFECTS OF A PATHOGENIC VIRUS. THERE IS NO CURE FOR FLU. SO INTRODUCING A PATHOGENIC VIRUS, THAT IS CAPERBLE OF MUTATING INTO AN EVEN MORE VIRULENT STRAIN DOES NOT CONCERN YOU. OR THE FACT THAT THEY WILL INJECT IT INTO YOU, WHERE IT CAN OVER COME OR BODYS DEFENCES.
The global spread of highly pathogenic H5N1 in birds is considered a significant pandemic threat
 

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Do you actually know how a vaccine works? H5N1 is a broad subclass of the Influenza A virus, of which the bird flu (HPAI A(H5N1) belongs. The H5N1 just refers to the protein structures on the viral envelope, so a broad spectrum vaccine can be produced by adding the deactivated proteins to the vaccine. Then your immune system can begin to build the antibodies by recognition of the antigen.

This is a preventative measure. Vaccines are the sole reason we have eradicated one disease, a rather famous one really. Smallpox.

While other H5N1 strains are known, they are significantly different from a current, highly pathogenic H5N1 strain on a genetic level, making the global spread of this new strain unprecedented
 

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Yes I know what a pathogen is and I know what a pandemic is. I've taken microbiology courses.

You didn't answer my question. I take it you don't know how vaccines work.

You sound like those who said Jenner was crazy. He performed the first human trial on his kid, and now smallpox is extinct.

The virus mutates in hosts, and has to be pathogenic to do it. What you're talking about is a sub-unit vaccine, adding bits of genetic material, in this case the surface proteins. That is not a pathogen. In order for it to be pathogenic, it would need the genetic material that after entry to the cell(decapsulation):

a) directs the host cell to replicate it's own complete DNA
b) directs the host cell to reassemble it's DNA, while ignoring the host cells needs, inside a fully constructed viral envelope.
c) directs the host cell to lyse or form the envelope from cell glycoproteins when the new viruses bud out.

In order for that sequence to take place, you need all of the viral genetic material. It can't be done with just the genes which code for the protein structures on the envelope.
 

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Yes I know what a pathogen is and I know what a pandemic is. I've taken microbiology courses.

You didn't answer my question. I take it you don't know how vaccines work.

You sound like those who said Jenner was crazy. He performed the first human trial on his kid, and now smallpox is extinct.

The virus mutates in hosts, and has to be pathogenic to do it. What you're talking about is a sub-unit vaccine, adding bits of genetic material, in this case the surface proteins. That is not a pathogen. In order for it to be pathogenic, it would need the genetic material that after entry to the cell(decapsulation):

a) directs the host cell to replicate it's own complete DNA
b) directs the host cell to reassemble it's DNA, while ignoring the host cells needs, inside a fully constructed viral envelope.
c) directs the host cell to lyse or form the envelope from cell glycoproteins when the new viruses bud out.

In order for that sequence to take place, you need all of the viral genetic material. It can't be done with just the genes which code for the protein structures on the envelope.

yes i know how vaccines work happy now.

This is not what is going on here though is it by introducing it into your body
BIG PROBLEM H5N1 DNA in Flu Vaccine people who have taken this will be coughing and sneezing this around for up to 3 weeks infecting others who have not had the Vaccine.
and without significant amount of vitamin c you will drown in your own blood from a scurvy like disease.yes or no
 

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This is not what is going on here though is it by introducing it into your body
BIG PROBLEM H5N1 DNA in Flu Vaccine people who have taken this will be coughing and sneezing this around for up to 3 weeks infecting others who have not had the Vaccine.
and without significant amount of vitamin c you will drown in your own blood from a scurvy like disease.yes or no

The answer is no.
 

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H1N1 IN 1918 KILLED 40 TO 50 MILLION PEOPLE AND WAS CALLED THE SPANISH FLU
H2N2 IN 1957 KILLED 2 MILLION PEOPLE AND WAS CALLED ASIAN FLU
H3N2 IN 1968 KILLED 1 MILLION PEOPLE AND WAS CALLED HONG KONG FLU

IT IS BELIEVED THAT IN ALL 3 CASES IT WENT FROM A BIRD THROUGH APIG THEN INTO A HUMAN

The Pentagon ordered $58 million of Tamiflu for troops. Then, Bush ordered states to buy over $500 million of Tamiflu. Tamiflu is manufactured and marketed by Roche, and Glead receives a 10% royalty. Rumsfeld served as chairman of Gilead before joining the Bush administration and still holds between $5 and 25 million in the company. He reportedly sold shares worth $5 million in 2005. Very profitable for him.
 

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And that has what to do with MedImmune's Flu Mist or the safety of their vaccines?

Follow the advice in your signature...
 

Tonington

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The efficacy for flu vaccines like FLUMIST is about 85%. Getting a FLUMIST vaccine lessens those coughing and spreading the contagion. That's the whole point. Disease models are called SIR models, susceptible, infected and resistant. By vaccinating people, you reduce the susceptible portion of the curve by reducing transmission rates, and increasing recovery rates.
 

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It's hopeless trying to explain anything about reality to quandary121, Tonington. He's got an impenetrable paranoid conspiracy theory about every subject he's ever raised or responded to.
 

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And I'm a glutton for punishment I guess. I have a hard time letting disinformation be put out there without doing my best to correct some of it. Wouldn't want some young and eager mind wandering the alleys on the net to be swayed by the dark side ;)
 
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Understood, and I applaud your efforts. I do the same. The best we can hope for is that those young and eager minds will see the corrections and try to think seriously about who might be right, but we're never going to change the minds of the paranoid conspiracy theorists.
 

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Understood, and I applaud your efforts. I do the same. The best we can hope for is that those young and eager minds will see the corrections and try to think seriously about who might be right, but we're never going to change the minds of the paranoid conspiracy theorists.
look dexter i would rather you did not reply to any of my threads, you seem to enjoy arguments, and trying to put me down in each and every one so do me a favor and F**k off OK, i don't need to discuss anything with your antiquated views, your total lack of knowledge of some of my subjects proves that you are a sad old git with to much time on your hands .

Understood, and I applaud your efforts
This is how i expect you to answer anyone who disagrees with me over anything regardless of the facts, and if a qualified Dr is worried about the implications of H5N1 in flu jabs, i think that is worthy of debate, but with you i have found debate impossible, so if you haven't got the message that your not welcome to comment on my threads by now, i hope that you have got the message now