David Suzuki's Rock bus Eco - Tour -Mr .Kyoto himself


Tonington
#31
It's unfortunate Mr. Suzuki chose the mode of transportation he did, but as Bit mentioned, the tour has offset the contributions of the bus, with contributions which mitigate that fact. Another instance where the idea of a carbon credit has been polluted by over-generalizations used by both sides. I used to hold Mr. Suzuki to a high level of integrity and fairness, but since my forray into Aquaculture, I've realized he is guilty of those generalizations I elluded to.
 
CDNBear
#32
Quote: Originally Posted by BitWhysView Post

that would be because you weren't looking.

No it's because you have nothing to add.


Quote:

thanks for turning yourself into a case in point.

I know what carbon neutrality is, I've been to DS's web site, read most of it. You just won't to tell yourself that so you can feel superior. Your childish behaviour has blown that right out of the water.

Quote: Originally Posted by ToningtonView Post

It's unfortunate Mr. Suzuki chose the mode of transportation he did, but as Bit mentioned, the tour has offset the contributions of the bus, with contributions which mitigate that fact. Another instance where the idea of a carbon credit has been polluted by over-generalizations used by both sides. I used to hold Mr. Suzuki to a high level of integrity and fairness, but since my forray into Aquaculture, I've realized he is guilty of those generalizations I elluded to.

My opinion of Suzuki gets lower and lower every minute. Can you expand on your forray in Aquaculture and how DS played a part in that?
 
BitWhys
#33
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

What cost analysis?
...

Do you really expect Suzuki to use the Foundation's money to buy a brand new bus for the tour and then let it rot when he's finished with it? You said they could richly afford to do so. So prove it. How much and what's the resell value? You have a business case to ward off later claims he's pissing away donated cash or are you just talking out of your *** as usual?
 
CDNBear
#34
Quote: Originally Posted by BitWhysView Post

Do you really expect Suzuki to use the Foundation's money to buy a brand new bus for the tour and then let it rot when he's finished with it? You said they could richly afford to do so. So prove it. How much and what's the resell value? You have a business case to ward off later claims he's pissing away donated cash or are you just talking out of your *** as usual?

In todays market, you do not have to buy anything, you can lease an eco friendly bus, just as easy as a regular tour bus.
I highly doubt the lease on a eco friendly tour bus is so much higher then that of a regular one, as to make it a hardship for Suzuki's foundation.

I think it was very short sited and lazy of them.

I love it when you have nothing you ask for hyper details. So far you used...

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and...

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Of the Liberal guide for trolls.

Nothing like being predictable. But here's one for ya, prove me wrong.
 
Avro
#35
Quote: Originally Posted by BitWhysView Post

Do you really expect Suzuki to use the Foundation's money to buy a brand new bus for the tour and then let it rot when he's finished with it? You said they could richly afford to do so. So prove it. How much and what's the resell value? You have a business case to ward off later claims he's pissing away donated cash or are you just talking out of your *** as usual?


He could sell the bus couldn't he and invest that money in someone who knows something about PR?
 
CDNBear
#36
Quote: Originally Posted by AvroView Post

He could sell the bus couldn't he and invest that money in someone who knows something about PR?

Stop being logical Avro. You make to much sense.
 
BitWhys
#37
Quote: Originally Posted by AvroView Post

He could sell the bus couldn't he...

could he? would it be worth it or is the money better spent offsetting the impact by way of investment? you take a new car off the lot and the resell price plummets. I want to see some numbers out of the loudmouth.

there's nothing inconsistent in what Suzuki's doing. he's has to deal with this problem every time he gets on a plane. he also has to deal with his detractors over it. or not. they're generally not worth the bother since they're just on a fault-finding mission anyways and are bound to find something to make an issue about.
 
Tonington
#38
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

Can you expand on your forray in Aquaculture and how DS played a part in that?

Sure. Suzuki and his organization have consistantly smeared Aquaculture. Now in some cases he is right, but when he paints the industry as a whole with the same brush, he ignores the positives and never mentions them. There are farms out west which use a system that is the equivalent of placing a tank in the water. Effluent is controlled, pathogens are killed with UV light, or ozonation. Escapes are as close to 0% as possible. Granted these systems are expensive, so aren't used on a widescale basis, but the public never hears of these systems.

They consistently slam the industry for antibiotic use in the diets, ignoring other industries using much more antibiotics and forget about mentioning the use of beneficial probiotics(like those found in our yogurt). In fact Canadian aquaculture producers are less competitive than the industry in other countries because of our strict requirements for antibiotic use.

Everyone has heard of the imminent collapse of world fisheries unless commercial fishing is stopped, this includes the salmon fleet in the Pacific. Aquaculture provides the means to enhance stocks, but few people know of the Biodiversity facilities DFO runs, with world class genetic breeding programs, maintaining those pedigrees from the various rivers. This is something you would expect Mr. Suzuki to have an opinion on, as it is the field he holds degrees in.

His organization loves to scare us with horror stories of genetic contamination when wild pacific breed with farmed atlantic salmon. Huge difference in the spawning preparation among the atlantic salmon and the various pacific salmons. Pacific salmon migrate hundreds and in some case a thoudsand kilometers up very steep rivers. Anyone seen a river on the Atlantic coast? Rivers are short and the inclination is very small comparatively.

Aquaculture is also beginning to use alternatives, to accomodate the growing industry and the relatively stable or shrinking bait fish catches. The omeg-3 fatty acid is bought by many different industries including pharmaceuticals. The fish meal used as the protein content in the diets is also a limited quantity. We are studying at my school right now the growth of salmonids when fed on heat treated vegetable proteins and oil seeds. After 6 weeks the growth is on par with our control diet, very promissing and we hope to publish a paper with this study.

These and many more are things the Suzuki Foundation will never tell you. As I said there are bad apples out there like any other industry, but it's not fair to skip over the good work being done by many diligent people in the industry.
 
CDNBear
#39
Quote: Originally Posted by BitWhysView Post

could he? would it be worth it or is the money better spent offsetting the impact by way of investment? you take a new car off the lot and the resell price plummets. I want to see some numbers out of the loudmouth.

there's nothing inconsistent in what Suzuki's doing. he's has to deal with this problem every time he gets on a plane. he also has to deal with his detractors over it. or not. they're generally not worth the bother since they're just on a fault-finding mission anyways and are bound to find something to make an issue about.

Go google eco friendly bus leasing, I'm sure there is no shortage of companies jumping on the band wagon.

I love the name calling, grow up.

btw, I wouldn't fault the man for flying. Anyone that jumps on him for flying great distances, is being hyper critical, you understand that eh bit? It's alot like your hysterics.
 
BitWhys
#40
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

Go google eco friendly bus leasing, I'm sure there is no shortage of companies jumping on the band wagon...

are you now?

name 3, tell me how much Suzuki's tour would have cost and how much GHG it would have cut back on. otherwise quit proving you're a loudmouth.
 
CDNBear
#41
Quote: Originally Posted by ToningtonView Post

Sure. Suzuki and his organization have consistantly smeared Aquaculture. Now in some cases he is right, but when he paints the industry as a whole with the same brush, he ignores the positives and never mentions them. There are farms out west which use a system that is the equivalent of placing a tank in the water. Effluent is controlled, pathogens are killed with UV light, or ozonation. Escapes are as close to 0% as possible. Granted these systems are expensive, so aren't used on a widescale basis, but the public never hears of these systems.
They consistently slam the industry for antibiotic use in the diets, ignoring other industries using much more antibiotics and forget about mentioning the use of beneficial probiotics(like those found in our yogurt). In fact Canadian aquaculture producers are less competitive than the industry in other countries because of our strict requirements for antibiotic use.
Everyone has heard of the imminent collapse of world fisheries unless commercial fishing is stopped, this includes the salmon fleet in the Pacific. Aquaculture provides the means to enhance stocks, but few people know of the Biodiversity facilities DFO runs, with world class genetic breeding programs, maintaining those pedigrees from the various rivers. This is something you would expect Mr. Suzuki to have an opinion on, as it is the field he holds degrees in.
His organization loves to scare us with horror stories of...

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Excellent work my friend, your working with some of my favourite fish, lol.

This is my problem with people like Suzuki and to some extent Bit. They fail to see the forest for the trees. The hysterics they use to further an agenda, do nothing, but hilite the errors.

After reading and hearing DS outburst and hysterical theatric at am 640 and an elementary school out west. I have very little respect for the man, he's on a political crusade in my eyes and nothing more.

The optics on this magical mystery tour bus, are just more fuel for the fire. There is no reason for his team to have chosen this mode of transportation, when there is a viable alternative.

Then we have people like Bit, that resort to name calling and demands of proof that the their is an affordable alternative. Lets face it, I bet half the manufacturers of Hybrid and Fuel Cell equipt buses, would have donated one, for purely capitalistic reasons alone.
 
Avro
#42
Quote: Originally Posted by BitWhysView Post

could he? would it be worth it or is the money better spent offsetting the impact by way of investment? you take a new car off the lot and the resell price plummets. I want to see some numbers out of the loudmouth.

there's nothing inconsistent in what Suzuki's doing. he's has to deal with this problem every time he gets on a plane. he also has to deal with his detractors over it. or not. they're generally not worth the bother since they're just on a fault-finding mission anyways and are bound to find something to make an issue about.

If your gonna talk the the talk you had better be prepared to walk the walk especially when the average Joe trying to feed his kids is guilted into doing the same thing.
 
CDNBear
#43
Quote: Originally Posted by BitWhysView Post

are you now?

name 3, tell me how much Suzuki's tour would have cost and how much GHG it would have cut back on. otherwise quit proving you're a loudmouth.

Prove I'm wrong. Read what I posted in my reply to Tonnington. If you you are unable to refute my claims, then so beit. I won't fault you for your short comings. Your opinion of me or my opinions matters not one iota to me. I just have to look at your hysterics and flaws to feel justified in that.

I love the name calling. Though I have admitted to being a "Fred Flintstone'esque loudmouth", I highly doubt that you mean endearingly, lmao. Your childish behaviour, makes me feel so much more superior to you, keep up the good work.

Oh ya and grow up.
 
CDNBear
#44
Quote: Originally Posted by AvroView Post

If your gonna talk the the talk you had better be prepared to walk the walk especially when the average Joe trying to feed his kids is guilted into doing the same thing.

EXCELLENT post, good call Avro!!! This is my point exactly. Though I would hold DS to any great standard on airtravel, lest he start using a private jet. This is one of those opportunities he had to shine and show his true colours and he blew it.
 
Avro
#45
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

Prove I'm wrong. Read what I posted in my reply to Tonnington. If you you are unable to refute my claims, then so beit. I won't fault you for your short comings. Your opinion of me or my opinions matters not one iota to me. I just have to look at your hysterics and flaws to feel justified in that.

I love the name calling. Though I have admitted to being a "Fred Flintstone'esque loudmouth", I highly doubt that you mean endearingly, lmao. Your childish behaviour, makes me feel so much more superior to you, keep up the good work.

Oh ya and grow up.

You made a claim Bear, perhaps you should attempt to back it up if it's remotely true.
 
Avro
#46
Quote: Originally Posted by BitWhysView Post

are you now?

name 3, tell me how much Suzuki's tour would have cost and how much GHG it would have cut back on. otherwise quit proving you're a loudmouth.

Okay, by that logic why should I buy a anything that would help the enviroment?

I'm only one guy.
 
BitWhys
#47
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

Prove I'm wrong. Read what I posted in my reply to Tonnington. If you you are unable to refute my claims, then so beit...

so you get to say whatever the hell you want and the rest of the world is supposed to prove you wrong?

heh

get counselling.
 
BitWhys
#48
Quote: Originally Posted by AvroView Post

Okay, by that logic why should I buy a anything that would help the enviroment?...

what logic?

googling eco-friendly buses is a trashpile. bigmouth thinks its so easy, let him do it.
 
CDNBear
#49
Quote: Originally Posted by BitWhysView Post

so you get to say whatever the hell you want and the rest of the world is supposed to prove you wrong?

heh

get counselling.

Prove me wrong.

You can't so who is the loudmouth again???

I stand by my claim, he could lease an eco friendly bus, just as easy as he did a regular one.
 
Avro
#50
Quote: Originally Posted by BitWhysView Post

what logic?

googling eco-friendly buses is a trashpile. bigmouth thinks its so easy, let him do it.

What would my efforts to prevent gloabl warming have any effect on global warming?

I'm just one guy.
 
Avro
#51
Quote: Originally Posted by BitWhysView Post

so you get to say whatever the hell you want and the rest of the world is supposed to prove you wrong?

heh

get counselling.

Yes, that is his position.

He dosen't have one.
 
CDNBear
#52
Quote: Originally Posted by AvroView Post

Yes, that is his position.

He dosen't have one.

Yes I do have one. You missed it. Not a big surprise there.
 
Tonington
#53
Really what this boils down to is what goes around comes around. I'm sure the Suzuki foundation has made many peoples $hit lists for their claims such as those I highlighted. It's really a PR thing and I'm surprised that Suzuki's people didn't brainstorm enough. They at least had the sense to make the tour carbon neutral, but in the business Suzuki is in now, his people should have known this might happen. I'm not sure why they wouldn't have used the most eco-friendly transportation available. Like this bus for instance (they even have VIP buses)thegreenbus (external - login to view)

Then they still could have funded carbon reducing projects on top of that. They missed out on an opportunity to give a green company some good PR. Really just bad choices when there are better alternatives, which is what the green movement is all about.
 
BitWhys
#54
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

Prove me wrong...

you're an idiot. prove me wrong. better yet, stop proving I'm right.
 
BitWhys
#55
Quote: Originally Posted by AvroView Post

What would my efforts to prevent gloabl warming have any effect on global warming?

I'm just one guy.

I dunno.

but the next time you go on tour I'm sure standing b's research will be priceless.
 
CDNBear
#56
Quote: Originally Posted by BitWhysView Post

you're an idiot. prove me wrong. better yet, stop proving I'm right.

Quote: Originally Posted by BitWhysView Post

I dunno.

but the next time you go on tour I'm sure standing b's research will be priceless.

This is all you have???

Name calling and racial referrences???

The line to the dear leaders office must be down and your having difficulty getting anything of value to post. Did you ever give much thought to the fact I won't do it, just because it bothers you???

And again I plead with to grow up.
 
BitWhys
#57
racial reference?
 
CDNBear
#58
Quote: Originally Posted by BitWhysView Post

I dunno.

but the next time you go on tour I'm sure standing b's research will be priceless.

You don't see to many Non native with drivers licenses with "standing b's"="Standing Bear" on them, so you must be referring to my signature and or my Nativeness. In either case, it would be racialy motivated. Seeing as my nic is CDNBear.

But I'm glad to see how low you're willing to sink, when some exposes your biases.
 
BitWhys
#59
gah

if my using simply your name is a problem for you then you've got shame issues to deal with as well.

now my advice isn't cheap so put a dollar in your floppy and leave a link so I can pick up my fee.
 
CDNBear
#60
Quote: Originally Posted by BitWhysView Post

gah

if my using simply your name is a problem for you then you've got shame issues to deal with as well.

now my advice isn't cheap so put a dollar in your floppy and leave a link so I can pick up my fee.

That's not my name.

If I put a penny down for your opinions, I would expect change.
 

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