Lawyer says he's 'kissed off' by political correctness


sanctus
#1
WATERBURY, Conn. (AP) - A criminal defence lawyer has been arrested for kissing a female judicial marshal - "a peck" he said was intended as a Christmas greeting.

Ralph Crozier, 55, was arrested on a disorderly conduct charge Thursday for kissing the marshal at Waterbury Superior Court on Dec. 22.

"This is the biggest baloney I've ever seen in my life," Crozier was quoted as saying Friday by the Republican-American newspaper. "How many tens of thousands of people in Connecticut wished their co-workers and friends Merry Christmas the day before Christmas?"

Crozier said state police investigators told him the marshal did not invite him to kiss her, which was why criminal charges were filed.

He said a security video that investigators say captured the incident will prove he meant nothing sexual by the kiss and that the incident is an example of political correctness run amok.

"It was a Christmas greeting. I had no intention to annoy or harass anybody," Crozier said. "This was a peck on the cheek. That was the extent. There was nothing here that was weird or sexual."

Crozier is free on bond.






Copyright 2007 Canadian Press
 
hermanntrude
#2
do u think he was arrested on her say-so or because someone saw it and went crazy?
 
L Gilbert
#3
I think he was arrested because things and some people have gotten ridiculous.
 
hermanntrude
#4
i was just approached in the mall and asked to buy a kiss from a very attractive young lady for charity. I surprised myself and gave them the money and turned down the kiss, telling them that although i was tempted i was married.
 
L Gilbert
#5
Send it here. I'll take it.
 
darleneonfire
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by L GilbertView Post

I think he was arrested because things and some people have gotten ridiculous.


Oh I agree! One of my boys got a detention for hugging his girlfriend at high school because they said it was "inappropriate touching on school property". I mean, give me a break. Just be lucky they were only hugging! (I'd have been politcally incorrect if he had been doing more by breaking his fool head open for him-hah hah hah) We're supposed to relate to our children, they say, not punish them. AND that sort of advice is usually from people without kids!

Anyway, I had quite a few words with our very PC spewing principal over the detention and pulled my son out of it. I am not one of those parents afraid of the school.
 
Gonzo
#7
We don’t know the whole story. This is a republican newspaper. Perhaps there’s more to it. Maybe it has culminated from other events and this was the last straw. Who knows? Newspapers have a way of not reporting the whole story.
There was a story in Ottawa of a married couple forced to live in separate nursing homes. They showed a picture of the old couple visiting each other and how terrible it was that they were forced to live apart. What they didn't report was that it was for the husbands safety that they lived apart. She had dementia and would lash out at her husband. I know because I worked in one of the nursing homes. So not everything gets reported.
 
BitWhys
#8
he kissed someone in a workplace environment

that's just begging for trouble
 
L Gilbert
#9
Yeah, the dreaded peck on the cheek. Lookout, everyone! Run!! It's the cheeky pecker.
Next thing you know, we won't be able to look at anyone else because it may be construed as being a lustful look, or a hateful look, or a d isgusted look, or a .............
 
BitWhys
#10
oh yeah

and you love it when your boss gives you a kiss on the cheek in front of everybody.

I understand entirely.
 
hermanntrude
#11
kinda depends whether the peck on the cheek was a grab her by the ears and plant a wet peck right near her mouth but actually on her cheek leaving her in no doubt of what u wanted to do, or a sweet little dry peck with both of you leaning in, and one of you balancing on a yellow pages book....
 
L Gilbert
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by BitWhysView Post

oh yeah

and you love it when your boss gives you a kiss on the cheek in front of everybody.

I understand entirely.

Didn't mind actually. The only female boss I had is the only one who pecked me on the cheek. Actually got an impromptu hug once from her, too. I didn't yell rape or anything. Simply returned the hug and the peck.
 
L Gilbert
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by hermanntrudeView Post

kinda depends whether the peck on the cheek was a grab her by the ears and plant a wet peck right near her mouth but actually on her cheek leaving her in no doubt of what u wanted to do, or a sweet little dry peck with both of you leaning in, and one of you balancing on a yellow pages book....

........... is that a circus trick or something? The balancing on a yellow pages?
 
hermanntrude
#14
no. british christmas advert. two unbearably cute kids meet under the mistletoe but the boy cant reach to kiss her so he goes off and gets a yellow pages and stands on it, everyone pukes, the end
 
L Gilbert
#15
Your kids?
 
hermanntrude
#16
not mine, no. forget it.
 
L Gilbert
#17
Sorry. I get curious sometimes. Tell me to mind my own biz if it bothers you.
 
L Gilbert
#18
Oh, I get it. Key word = "advert". Unfamiliar word. the British term for the NorthAm "ad" or "commercial".
 
hermanntrude
#19
nah i meant that it's too long a story to bother with. I had assumed the advert was playing here too since u also have yellow pages. Just a pukey traditional cutesy advert which has been on for ever and epitomises the most innocent of kisses i could think of
 
hermanntrude
#20
argh alright then... commercial

honestly i am trying. I use "sidewalk" and "washroom" and lots of other canadianisms. advert is one i find hard to convert though.
 
L Gilbert
#21
TV isn't one of my favorite gadgets. I might watch 6 hours a week.
 
L Gilbert
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by hermanntrudeView Post

argh alright then... commercial

honestly i am trying. I use "sidewalk" and "washroom" and lots of other canadianisms. advert is one i find hard to convert though.

I don't use washroom. I call it a "head". I am aware of "going to the loo", though. What other word is there for sidewalk?
 
hermanntrude
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by L GilbertView Post

I don't use washroom. I call it a "head". I am aware of "going to the loo", though. What other word is there for sidewalk?

confusingly, pavement.
 
L Gilbert
#24
Oh. "Pavement" here usually means "road"
 
hermanntrude
#25
i know. that's why i said it was confusing.
 
karrie
#26
In red, all of the information in this article that pertains to the lawyer's spin on things.... in green, all of the article information based on unbiased third party info....

A criminal defence lawyer has been arrested for kissing a female judicial marshal - "a peck" he said was intended as a Christmas greeting.

Ralph Crozier, 55, was arrested on a disorderly conduct charge Thursday for kissing the marshal at Waterbury Superior Court on Dec. 22.

"This is the biggest baloney I've ever seen in my life," Crozier was quoted as saying Friday by the Republican-American newspaper. "How many tens of thousands of people in Connecticut wished their co-workers and friends Merry Christmas the day before Christmas?"

Crozier said state police investigators told him the marshal did not invite him to kiss her, which was why criminal charges were filed.

He said a security video that investigators say captured the incident will prove he meant nothing sexual by the kiss and that the incident is an example of political correctness run amok.

"It was a Christmas greeting. I had no intention to annoy or harass anybody," Crozier said. "This was a peck on the cheek. That was the extent. There was nothing here that was weird or sexual."

Crozier is free on bond.

If you pull out all of what the lawyer has said in his defense, and to explain his view of things, all you are left with is three sentences saying he was arrested, was charged, and is free on bail. there is no impartial party telling what he had done on tape, and there is no impartial party telling what was said before during or after the incident. really, there's no information here to form an opinion one way or the other. but that could just be me.
 
BitWhys
#27
yes

and what's missing from the story is the marshall saying it was alright. If she had its very very very doubtful investigators would be pressing charges.
 
TenPenny
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by sanctusView Post

"It was a Christmas greeting. I had no intention to annoy or harass anybody," Crozier said. "This was a peck on the cheek. That was the extent. There was nothing here that was weird or sexual."

You NEVER kiss someone who doesn't want to be kissed; you would never force someone to shake your hand, would you? In my experience, even as a greeting, it's quite obvious if a woman does not want you to kiss her. Probably true of a man, too, but I haven't kissed too many men, even on the cheek. This guy is obviously not very bright.
 
karrie
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by BitWhysView Post

yes

and what's missing from the story is the marshall saying it was alright. If she had its very very very doubtful investigators would be pressing charges.

I've seen a couple cases of outright sexual harassment, and never did the men think there was anything wrong with what they were doing. They never viewed it as unwelcome, or pushing too far. They apparently felt that they were just being cute and funny. And when it came down to the last occurence that pushed it over the edge, they never viewed the ten warnings they'd gotten before that last incident, as having anything to do with it. To them it was always one incident that had been blown out of proportion. They never seemed to hear, for some weird reason, the 'no', or the outright 'your attentions are not welcome, and from here out will be considered harassment', that the women had to tell them.

Don't get me wrong... I'm not saying their cases are what's happened in this one, but they are why I immediately dismiss anything this man has to say regarding it.
 
Zan
#30
PC started out having a positive intent. In our attempt to curtail the 'isms' and potential for abuse and lawsuits around these issues, PC has just gone over the top, imo. No one wants to be sexually harrassed at work or elsewhere, but we should be able to rely on the fact that most of us don't behave in such ways nor have to assume that innocent gestures of affection and goodwill must automatically have a sordid, lurid or abusive intention behind them.

We're taking ourselves into a less interactive, compassionate and humane place with some of this PC stuff and common sense is being lost in the fray.

I can't comment on what that article reported, because as Karrie said, it's unclear if this man had a habit of abusing the gesture to the point that this woman decided enough's enough. If that's the case, then the PC laws are working in her favour, and I'm glad to see the laws accomplishing what they intended to. Just checked the story again, and I noticed "Disorderly Conduct" was the charge tho, not sexual harrassment... there's gotta be more to the story.

My comments are more a generalization on the fact that our attempts to protect the vulnerable are creating a problem of a whole new kind in the opposite direction.

It would be nice to know the whole story behind the OP.
 

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