Can We Still Speak Our Thoughts Openly?


Curiosity
#1
Canada is a good example of the concept of political correct dialogue in government and society..... it has had some time to prove its worth...

So I ask your opinions on the concept:

Does this form of cautious and measured speech ease the interaction among the peoples of a nation?

Is there any censorship which inhibits "free speech" in favor of PC speech?

Is there use of PC speech in guiding many people into one path of thought?

What are the greatest benefits acquired through the use of PC speech?

What are the greatest distractions found through the use of PC speech?
 
jimmoyer
#2
Since mankind began his first commune, we have
had speech conduct rules.

It is part of our inherent authoritarian nature
to distrust others knowing something we don't
know, or to understand something different from
our own beliefs.

Only courtesy and humility and thinking overcome
these sometimes useful but overly harsh conventions.

Politically correct speech results from a desire not to offend
others, and yet such rules when enforced becomes very offensive,
stifling and sometimes misplaced.
 
Sassylassie
#3
Hard qustions to articulate WC. Political Correctness is just a smoke screen. When a Politician speaks with Political Correctness they say nothing substansive, their words are empty because they are so cautious in what they say as not to offend whomever they fail to answer the question or explain the issues. Their words are like bubbles, pleasant to look at but they contain no substance so they disappear. We the public are left befuddle and confused because the issues yet again weren't explained.

Example would be the Arar case: The LIberals were at the helm when he was handed over to be tortured. Currently the Liberals are chest pounding and pointing fingers at the Cons. The Cons are whispering/wimpering the Liberals did it. The RCMP are silent because they are guilty of neglegence and incompetance. The above parties pontificate and orate but refuse to address the issue. PC be damned, pay that young man what he's owed in compensation. Liberals stand up and admit it happened under your Leadership and PC grow some balls and pay that man under your leadership. The public would respect both the Liberals and Conservatives a great deal more if they excepted Mea Culpa, I'm accountable. Spineless the lot of them.
 
Kreskin
#4
When I was a kid my mother taught me 'eenie meenie minee mo, catch a "______" by the toe'. My daughter was recently siting this for me. I held my breath as she neared the noun. Fortunately someone out there taught her the PC version with "tiger".

When I look back at how we talked in the 60's and 70's it really was rediculous. PC is a sign of education and maturity in society, IMO.
 
Kreskin
#5
Ever watch the cartoons of the 50's, 60's and some of the 70's? The old old Popeye stuff etc. It is embarrassing to watch. The stereotypes were outrageous. The male cartoon characters lustfully chasing women, to be shown to 4 year olds? Pepee Le Pew trying to hope in bed with anything female he finds, to be shown to 4 year olds? Many of them smoking, drinking, getting into drunken brawls. If getting this junk out of the faces of our kids is considered PC then I'm all for it.
 
Curiosity
#6
Good answers thanks!

I'm not sure where I stand because I like to know the "gut" of a guy's or gal's thinking.

When the PC waters down the passion - I find my attention wandering because I don't know it they are only placating with what we want to hear in correct terminology ... or what they actually believe and can put into motion for the future.

As much as I hated the spew from Chavez - he serves a purpose and we know where he is positioned.

I guess PC isn't too important at the United Nations is it?

Then again truth is - even if it doesn't feel good.

On the other side stereotypically racist or mocking verbage demeans all of us.

It's a tight little walk we talk.
 
thomaska
#7
The catch a _______by his toe speech has to stop I agree. But I'll never say things like "vertically challenged" or "height-weight proportionally challenged". Thats just ridiculous. If you're short and fat, you just are. You can't do anything about being short I suppose, but if you're fat, and you get all "butt-hurt" about people commenting on it, lose some weight. I think the PC junk is a little out of hand.
 
jimmoyer
#8
I think the PC junk is a little out of hand.
------------------------thomaska-----------------------------


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Curiosity
#9
JimMoyer

Ahem...couldja repeat that pliz? :P
 
jimmoyer
#10
iT'S just GetTinG Out of HAnd !!

Bring back Peppi Le Pew !!!

Or those Walt Disney Crows wanting to see an
elephant fly.

It's permanently deranged all of us.
 
tamarin
#11
I think PC has promoted division and exacerabated racism and all the other isms that hang out in ismland. Most folks I know hate government and they especially hate big government disguised as being democratic and whose head marshall is PC. PC is fascist. it seeks to bully anyone with alternate viewpoints into compliance. It is certainly not a sign of a mature state; if anything it's a key marker of a failed state. In a truly democratic state free speech is valued highly and if views come into your ken that are suspect they are debated publicly and let the chips settle where they may. Let exposure, debate and ridicule censor what we think and say. Government has no business dictating the views of those who elect it.

Another flippin' edit. Lord have mercy on folks that need bifocals!. Sheesh!
 
jimmoyer
#12
By the way in this white cracker cyber land
there ain't no people of color coming in for
the conversation...

OUTTA HAND. OUTTA HAND.
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Kreskin
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by jimmoyer

iT'S just GetTinG Out of HAnd !!

Bring back Peppi Le Pew !!!

Or those Walt Disney Crows wanting to see an
elephant fly.

It's permanently deranged all of us.

Pepe Le Pew, the ladies man had to be a frenchman of course.
 
Sassylassie
#14
tamarin that you nailed the nail on the head, very astute of you.

I have never equated Racism with PCism, racism is repugnant to me and deserves to keeps it's singular catagory. Perhaps in the begining of PCism racism was the motivation but the big ole ball of PC correctness has mushroom into a laungage onto it's self.

Kreskin I didn't have a clue what you meant when you quoted that diddy. I called Mom and she filled me in that the N word was replaced with Tiger. My parents would never have allowed me to use the N word. It's not in my vocabulary, and if it were my parents would of used Ivory soap as a deterent. I spent many a day sucking on a bar of soap, swearing was for adults only. As for TV, it's up to the parents to raise their children and censor what they watch not the Government. I watched all the above TV shows and I'm fine, well a might fiesty but still in the Normal range.

This old adage comes to mind "Keep your friends Close but your enemy closer" free speech should not be for a select few, it should be for all Canadians. Even if I don't like the message I respect their right to speak.

Jim your post was brilliant, the phrase "outofhand" left me breathless well that and the stair climber.
 
eh1eh
#15
Bravo. Free speech is alive in Canada. I agree, we should be catching a 'tiger' by the toe but the rest is 'OUTOFHAND'.
Common sense usually wins out with normal decent people. I was well raised by my mother but she was a bit of a racsist. But she taught 'do as I say not as I do' and it rubbed off, as it were, and with the changing morals of society I think I turned out OK.
 
jimmoyer
#16
The wizzened white haired Black elders of the Civil
Rights leaders shake their collective head at the gangsta rap that wants to catch a n________ by the toe.
 
Sassylassie
#17
Gangsta rap is nasty, the words to the music are filthty and hateful to women in particular. Sorry, but I'll stick to opera and old CW songs.
 
tamarin
#18
Gangsta rap is the predominant musical genre of today's kiddies and young adults. Use of gangsta signage is all the rage in such age groups. Along with it are body writing, lolling tongues to signify the user's affinity to pop culture porn and affecting the gangsta sensibility in one's wardrobe and attitude. As long as the kids embrace gangsta culture, I'm not too concerned about their needs or even the importance of their aspirations. I view them as cultural quislings.
 
Sassylassie
#19
LOL tamarin your open and frank attitude is a breath of fresh air on this forum. Thanks for the info on gangsta sub-culture, I've heard the music and it makes my skin crawl.
 
Lieutenant Governor
#20
I think somethings wrong when were at a point where people are afraid to use certain words even when not in a deragatory or demeaning sense. It is seen as wrong just to speak the word ****** no matter what the context. It's gone so far that people have to use ______ to represent the word ****** because it would be some how "wrong" even though we all know the word you used and it was just a stupid poem. Heaven forbid anyone be exposed to such a horribly evil word. I bet it even gets censored here, maybe not.

This is all a by-product of popular thought. There were times when it was a perfectly fine word to say and was just another word, used in brand names of many popular products. It will one day in the future be a word that is perfectly acceptable to speak. It's just that right now The word you cannot say is ******. 100 years from now maybe 'anus' will be The word you cannot say, who knows? Much like murder used to be acceptable as a form of justice and considered a proper action in many situations. Now murder is The thing you can't do. 100 years from now when popular thought has changed murder may very well be acceptable again.

There are always gonna be things you cannot say or do however what those things are is going to depend on what time frame you are in.
 
tamarin
#21
Words are interesting. Certainly, '******' is not as taboo as you think. Many young people use it and not at all pejoratively - at least in its original sense. Just as **** and bitch are no longer pejoratives, so it is with the great N word. "She's my 'nigga'" or "'******'" is another example of the power of co-opting. The phrase is meant to affirm a special attachment between two people. I've even seen it on t-shirts this summer.
I don't really get it but it's happening.
 
I think not
#22
When I was a little boy, my parents taught me that "Sticks and stones can break my bones, but names could never hurt me". Now why would they do that? Because it was important for me to realize that the belief in myself was more important, compared to what others thought about me.

Today, when I wish someone a Merry Christmas, I'm automatically a Christian fundamentalist, completely insensitive to someone elses religion. Why? Because I wished someone to be happy on a certain day? So something I believe in and am happy about, I can't spread around? I've had Muslims say God be with you. Who's God? Theirs or mine? I have NEVER been insulted by a Muslim telling me that. If he or she believes in it so strongly and wished me all the best in saying so, why should I get offended by it?

I can't call a black man "******", but the black men call each other "******s" every day of the week. Why is it when I say it, I'm a racist pig and when black men say it, it automatically becomes a term of endearment? Did i ever enslave anybody? Last I checked I didn't.

To answer your direct question WC; Can We Still Speak Our Thoughts Openly? Yes, but anti-discrimination laws have run amok and soon we won't be able to say hello, without someone getting offended. Political correctness is slowly making its way into the law books. The only saving grace is the First Amendment, but I fear the resources to constantly fight the PC crowd are dwindling.
 
hermanntrude
#23
i think PCism IS silly, BUT it could be replaced with one guideline for everyone:

THINK about what you say, and try not to offend people unneccesarily
 
Andem
#24
Apparantly blacks are free to use words like "Cracker" on us, but we're not allowed to use anything race-related on them. Screw PCness!

These so-called minority communities liberally use anti-white terms but for us to use similar words are expressly forbidden.

I don't subscribe to PCness or stupid rules unless it's a gang of them.. which isn't uncommon.

I have no problem calling a spade a spade. If I'm called a cracker, then I'm not going to sink to the typical inherit racist values of that particular community, but I would have no problem with someone who did.
 
Curiosity
#25
Andem

There is no guarantee being politically correct in most situations is going to be reciprocal.

Once we put it out there - "consideration for others regarding a personal descriptive which may be offensive to some".... we often experience the fact that not all others practice the same consideration for ourselves.

Minorities have greatly benefited as we have realized being labelled or called derogatory names is insulting to many, but it has gone beyond that where we now hear epithets being called out against the majority in defiance for no reason whatsoever.

Whereas we are now victims of our "new societal laws" which seeks to keep some silent while a few ignore and challenge what is a mandate for all.

Either politically correct is a two way street or someone should take down the signs and let equality become reality in our own way - clumsy perhaps but at least honest.

We could also inject some humor too as I have had to do all my life with the litany of dumb blonde jokes. Smiling in return often deflates the cruelty of the moment if any was intended and gives power over the
taunt.
 
jimmoyer
#26
Yep this is Blonde Saltine Cracker Cyber Land.

Smile all you homies.

The cool cats aren't even online.
 
Kreskin
#27
Yesterday a guy I work with used the the term "in a coon's age" during our meeting. I haven't heard that one for years.
 
Curiosity
#28
Hehehe JimMoyer his "early feisty" working overtime...

Being a dumb blonde has its advantages - when negotiating for high ticket items such as appliances or cars - not being able to add past fingers - unless equipped with an electronic gizmo.... thinking "colors" are "pretty" rather than how many years does the warranty cover........ya know those drudge things of life?

"Oh gee I don't know" becomes a mantra.

Know what makes me laugh? Why white people knock themselves into melanoma every summer trying to darken their skin ...
 
Kreskin
#29
Does everyone still refer to negotiating a good deal as "jewing down" the sales clerk/rep?
 
Curiosity
#30
Kreskin - lost me on that one....

I'm blonde so it's not expected that I know. :P
 

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