Can We Still Speak Our Thoughts Openly?

[Curiosity]

Canada is a good example of the concept of political correct dialogue in government and society..... it has had some time to prove its worth...

So I ask your opinions on the concept:

Does this form of cautious and measured speech ease the interaction among the peoples of a nation?

Is there any censorship which inhibits "free speech" in favor of PC speech?

Is there use of PC speech in guiding many people into one path of thought?

What are the greatest benefits acquired through the use of PC speech?

What are the greatest distractions found through the use of PC speech?

 

[jimmoyer]

Since mankind began his first commune, we have
had speech conduct rules.

It is part of our inherent authoritarian nature
to distrust others knowing something we don't
know, or to understand something different from
our own beliefs.

Only courtesy and humility and thinking overcome
these sometimes useful but overly harsh conventions.

Politically correct speech results from a desire not to offend
others, and yet such rules when enforced becomes very offensive,
stifling and sometimes misplaced.

 

[Sassylassie]

Hard qustions to articulate WC. Political Correctness is just a smoke screen. When a Politician speaks with Political Correctness they say nothing substansive, their words are empty because they are so cautious in what they say as not to offend whomever they fail to answer the question or explain the issues. Their words are like bubbles, pleasant to look at but they contain no substance so they disappear. We the public are left befuddle and confused because the issues yet again weren't explained.

Example would be the Arar case: The LIberals were at the helm when he was handed over to be tortured. Currently the Liberals are chest pounding and pointing fingers at the Cons. The Cons are whispering/wimpering the Liberals did it. The RCMP are silent because they are guilty of neglegence and incompetance. The above parties pontificate and orate but refuse to address the issue. PC be damned, pay that young man what he's owed in compensation. Liberals stand up and admit it happened under your Leadership and PC grow some balls and pay that man under your leadership. The public would respect both the Liberals and Conservatives a great deal more if they excepted Mea Culpa, I'm accountable. Spineless the lot of them.

 

[Kreskin]

When I was a kid my mother taught me 'eenie meenie minee mo, catch a "______" by the toe'. My daughter was recently siting this for me. I held my breath as she neared the noun. Fortunately someone out there taught her the PC version with "tiger".

When I look back at how we talked in the 60's and 70's it really was rediculous. PC is a sign of education and maturity in society, IMO.

 

[Kreskin]

Ever watch the cartoons of the 50's, 60's and some of the 70's? The old old Popeye stuff etc. It is embarrassing to watch. The stereotypes were outrageous. The male cartoon characters lustfully chasing women, to be shown to 4 year olds? Pepee Le Pew trying to hope in bed with anything female he finds, to be shown to 4 year olds? Many of them smoking, drinking, getting into drunken brawls. If getting this junk out of the faces of our kids is considered PC then I'm all for it.

 

[Curiosity]

Good answers thanks!

I'm not sure where I stand because I like to know the "gut" of a guy's or gal's thinking.

When the PC waters down the passion - I find my attention wandering because I don't know it they are only placating with what we want to hear in correct terminology ... or what they actually believe and can put into motion for the future.

As much as I hated the spew from Chavez - he serves a purpose and we know where he is positioned.

I guess PC isn't too important at the United Nations is it?

Then again truth is - even if it doesn't feel good.

On the other side stereotypically racist or mocking verbage demeans all of us.

It's a tight little walk we talk.

 

[thomaska]

The catch a _______by his toe speech has to stop I agree. But I'll never say things like "vertically challenged" or "height-weight proportionally challenged". Thats just ridiculous. If you're short and fat, you just are. You can't do anything about being short I suppose, but if you're fat, and you get all "butt-hurt" about people commenting on it, lose some weight. I think the PC junk is a little out of hand.

 

[jimmoyer]

I think the PC junk is a little out of hand.
------------------------thomaska-----------------------------


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[Curiosity]

JimMoyer

Ahem...couldja repeat that pliz?

 

[jimmoyer]

iT'S just GetTinG Out of HAnd !!

Bring back Peppi Le Pew !!!

Or those Walt Disney Crows wanting to see an
elephant fly.

It's permanently deranged all of us.

 

[tamarin]

I think PC has promoted division and exacerabated racism and all the other isms that hang out in ismland. Most folks I know hate government and they especially hate big government disguised as being democratic and whose head marshall is PC. PC is fascist. it seeks to bully anyone with alternate viewpoints into compliance. It is certainly not a sign of a mature state; if anything it's a key marker of a failed state. In a truly democratic state free speech is valued highly and if views come into your ken that are suspect they are debated publicly and let the chips settle where they may. Let exposure, debate and ridicule censor what we think and say. Government has no business dictating the views of those who elect it.

Another flippin' edit. Lord have mercy on folks that need bifocals!. Sheesh!

 

[jimmoyer]

By the way in this white cracker cyber land
there ain't no people of color coming in for
the conversation...

OUTTA HAND. OUTTA HAND.
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[Kreskin]

Re: RE: Can We Still Speak Our Thoughts Openly?

iT'S just GetTinG Out of HAnd !!

Bring back Peppi Le Pew !!!

Or those Walt Disney Crows wanting to see an
elephant fly.

It's permanently deranged all of us.

Pepe Le Pew, the ladies man had to be a frenchman of course.

 

[Sassylassie]

tamarin that you nailed the nail on the head, very astute of you.

I have never equated Racism with PCism, racism is repugnant to me and deserves to keeps it's singular catagory. Perhaps in the begining of PCism racism was the motivation but the big ole ball of PC correctness has mushroom into a laungage onto it's self.

Kreskin I didn't have a clue what you meant when you quoted that diddy. I called Mom and she filled me in that the N word was replaced with Tiger. My parents would never have allowed me to use the N word. It's not in my vocabulary, and if it were my parents would of used Ivory soap as a deterent. I spent many a day sucking on a bar of soap, swearing was for adults only. As for TV, it's up to the parents to raise their children and censor what they watch not the Government. I watched all the above TV shows and I'm fine, well a might fiesty but still in the Normal range.

This old adage comes to mind "Keep your friends Close but your enemy closer" free speech should not be for a select few, it should be for all Canadians. Even if I don't like the message I respect their right to speak.

Jim your post was brilliant, the phrase "outofhand" left me breathless well that and the stair climber.

 

[eh1eh]

Bravo. Free speech is alive in Canada. I agree, we should be catching a 'tiger' by the toe but the rest is 'OUTOFHAND'.
Common sense usually wins out with normal decent people. I was well raised by my mother but she was a bit of a racsist. But she taught 'do as I say not as I do' and it rubbed off, as it were, and with the changing morals of society I think I turned out OK.

 

[jimmoyer]

The wizzened white haired Black elders of the Civil
Rights leaders shake their collective head at the gangsta rap that wants to catch a n________ by the toe.

 

[Sassylassie]

Gangsta rap is nasty, the words to the music are filthty and hateful to women in particular. Sorry, but I'll stick to opera and old CW songs.

 

[tamarin]

Gangsta rap is the predominant musical genre of today's kiddies and young adults. Use of gangsta signage is all the rage in such age groups. Along with it are body writing, lolling tongues to signify the user's affinity to pop culture porn and affecting the gangsta sensibility in one's wardrobe and attitude. As long as the kids embrace gangsta culture, I'm not too concerned about their needs or even the importance of their aspirations. I view them as cultural quislings.

 

[Sassylassie]

LOL tamarin your open and frank attitude is a breath of fresh air on this forum. Thanks for the info on gangsta sub-culture, I've heard the music and it makes my skin crawl.

 

[Lieutenant Governor]

I think somethings wrong when were at a point where people are afraid to use certain words even when not in a deragatory or demeaning sense. It is seen as wrong just to speak the word nigger no matter what the context. It's gone so far that people have to use ______ to represent the word nigger because it would be some how "wrong" even though we all know the word you used and it was just a stupid poem. Heaven forbid anyone be exposed to such a horribly evil word. I bet it even gets censored here, maybe not.

This is all a by-product of popular thought. There were times when it was a perfectly fine word to say and was just another word, used in brand names of many popular products. It will one day in the future be a word that is perfectly acceptable to speak. It's just that right now The word you cannot say is nigger. 100 years from now maybe 'anus' will be The word you cannot say, who knows? Much like murder used to be acceptable as a form of justice and considered a proper action in many situations. Now murder is The thing you can't do. 100 years from now when popular thought has changed murder may very well be acceptable again.

There are always gonna be things you cannot say or do however what those things are is going to depend on what time frame you are in.