have girls changed??


peapod
#31
Your question should be what kind of man do you want to marry, not what kind of person you should be to marry one.

PS you are already female, so that makes you special already
 
Twila
#32
Jarcons,

Your right about parents not knowing the half of it when it comes to their kids. The one thing that most people seem to forget is that the body doesn't lie. the personality might, but not the body.

Most teenagers are extremely self absorbed. Being self absorbed prevents them from realizing what's going on in their immediate surroundings, what body language they are displaying and that their parents, in fact, HAVE been there.

With these 2 facts a parent can learn more about their child then the child realizes their telling.
 
JorCON5
#33
Good point Twila. That's why you are the parent and I'm just a young punk. I guess I'm a sensationalist by nature.

I have a friend from China who is quite traditional and he worries about his 14 year old daughter being surrounded in the (essentially American) culture. I feel sorry for young girls who feel they need to fit this status quo propelled by celebrities like Paris Hilton to be incompetent, rich, materialistic to impress men. It is sending the wrong signal.
 
Twila
#34
Quote:

I have a friend from China who is quite traditional and he worries about his 14 year old daughter being surrounded in the (essentially American) culture.

your friend should worry about his daughter. It's hard for kids who have to fit into 1 culture to be accepted and have friends while being pushed by family cultures to maintain traditional ways. Your friend would do his daughter a great service by never pushing the family culture on her and american culture away from her. But simply allowing her to have both. Parents that allow children to breath and relax and have the home a safe haven are parents who have kids who maynot talk about everything but know they can should they need to.

I struggle to not freak out when my daughter talks about a friend who smokes pot or who's having sex with her boyfriend. It's hard. But I know the minute I freak out she will never tell me a thing llike that again.
 
tibear
#35
Twila,

Quote:

Most teenagers are extremely self absorbed. Being self absorbed prevents them from realizing what's going on in their immediate surroundings, what body language they are displaying and that their parents, in fact, HAVE been there.

It's obvious that you have a teenager. Any parent or teacher will agree with you.

I remember talking to my parents about my teenagers and they simply smile. I don't know why. I was never like that!!
 
no1important
#36
Quote:

I struggle to not freak out when my daughter talks about a friend who smokes pot or who's having sex with her boyfriend. It's hard. But I know the minute I freak out she will never tell me a thing llike that again.

I know what you mean, but just think, when your daughter has a daughter she will be doing the same thing.

But that is what usually happens anyways with each generation or when people have their own children.
 
Foo1
#37
Quote: Originally Posted by JorCON5

Good point Twila. That's why you are the parent and I'm just a young punk. I guess I'm a sensationalist by nature.

I have a friend from China who is quite traditional and he worries about his 14 year old daughter being surrounded in the (essentially American) culture. I feel sorry for young girls who feel they need to fit this status quo propelled by celebrities like Paris Hilton to be incompetent, rich, materialistic to impress men. It is sending the wrong signal.


I have to agree, Being a teen myself, I see the other "gangsta" people everywhere and their lives ; morals, values, iconsetc are based on those promoted by pop culture And that scares my. If that doesn't scare you, turn onto MTV when they play rap. What you see there is what the teenagers of today strive to become

P.S. I'm going to take a lot of flak from rap fans. I'm not saying that all rap is bad, just how you interpret it and to what extent it dominates your life.

P.P.S. I know that I'm gereralizing here and not all teens are like that but a large part are
 
choppie
#38
I'm a rap fan.....and not offended. I'm 21 and female, and I really believe that women ( who strived to not be "men's objects" ) are once again turning their own tables to gain some sort of acceptance. Don't get me wrong I'm not a feminist, I just have self respect, morals, and values.
 
Ten Packs
#39
Quote:

I'm not saying that all rap is bad, .....

Okay, fine. Then I will!!!

 
jamie
#40
Ah, ten packs, I have to say that kitty icon is quite humorous!
 
cool_jedi
#41
Well for Canadian girls, specifically Canadian girls, well of course they have changed. They are highly aggressive and much faster reacting than before. Compared to the girls from the rest of the world, I say Canadian girls react the fastest and solving problems and making decisions at lightning speeds. They have excessively high standards and demands the impossible.

If they don't like you, then they will take someone you know as a hostage and demand ransom. The bad part is they keep changing the price of the ransom depending on their moods.

Remember the time last week when Bill Clinton visited Canada and tried to be a "player" again? Well I think Clinton accidently said something that Miss.Canadiana doesn't like and was immediatley taken hostage. Good thing US diplomats where able to save the ex-president before the Canadians could execute him.

I got this from the Toronto Star just last sunday and the headline was:

"Bill Clinton Ex-president abducted by Canadians for ransom!!! or face execution!!!" April 10 2005

Where I were you I would sleep with one eye open just in case. Because I might be abducted too, perhaps even by someone from this very board!!!!!!

Canadians sure know the true art of deceiving. They can sure know how to betray people like nobody's buisness. Nobody can decieve and con people better than Canadians can. And that is the reputation Canada has right now.
 
zenfisher
#42
Fool is spelt with an "F" not a "C"
 
choppie
#43
O.........K.........A..........Y
So you are not a fan of Canada.....We gotcha
Canadian girls are not the only ones...........Like oh my gosh!!! Have you seen American magazines.....Like Whatever.....


p.s. that was a whack of sarcasim...^^
 
Kaiser Mattanthas
#44
Wow - I'm glad I read this!!

I'm a youngling myself - early 20s - and I've been complaining about this for years. I was raised in central Saskatchewan, and nobody in that over conservative, Ukranian-Catholic community had anything even closely resembling a mini-skirt. Makeup was restricted for major ceremonies, and people went around au-natural... I moved to Alberta 8 years ago, and immediately I was confronted with 7-8 year old girls running around with halter-tops proclaiming "SEXY!!!", miniskirts with hand prints on the bum, and HIGH HEELS!

NO! Little children who have no idea what a pubic hair is should not be wearing objectifying clothing - besides, those bodies are anything but attractive, I'll tell you what! Give me a decent height, curves and greater than a gr. 12 education any day! *shudder* What's happening to society and young girls is as bad as child pornography - only this is legal. Blame is put on the parents, but the perverts in design studios all over the world - and the bozos in advertising companies - are encouraging this mutation and devolution of societal norms and moral values.

Yes, women are becoming more and more aggressive - this is not necessarily a bad thing. Someone mentioned that she "was not a feminist," and I say that's utter cow patties. Feminism, just like anything else, is determined by a matter of degrees. I think she meant that she was not a "bra-burning, uber-lesbian **** wag," (pardon the crudity); rather, she is in favor of pro-female sufferage, women's rights, etc. Bravo - so am I. Aggressive women can be a deterrant, but, being a combination of being REALLY BIG! and being shy, I'm not adverse to being approached. I prefer it, actually.

Social change, in this respect, is a good thing, but children should be wearing more than an ounce and a half of clothing!!!
 
Cathou
#45
if you can read french you should read the article that Le Devoir have made last week-end. A sexology therapist were describing the new situation in school, where they see a dangerous increasing of sexual act at very young age.

but i think the society have to think about it self when we see specialised store that sell lingerie to pre-teen open...
 
Tom McNall
#46
That was a lot of reading!

OK, here is my "non-PC" opinion. Alot of what has been said so far is true and to the point. The claims that "it was the same when we were kids" is false. It is getting worse. I have an old high school science teacher that I meet around town and I used to bust his chops (give him a hard time in class), but he and I both knew it was all in fun. When he retired last year, he told me the kids are meaner. We used to play around, the kids today are out to hurt and injure. When I went to high school (circa 1986), girls did not walk around with thongs hanging out of the back of lowrider jeans. If they did, I would never get any work done. The female body is destracting to heterosexual males. We cannot help it. It is the way we were made. It preserves the circle of life if you will. Girls did not have tattoos in their pubic area (at least that I saw) and wear low rider pants so that you can see them. The truth about this is that if a girl (or a guy) has a tattoo on her crotch, she wants you to see it. She does not put it there so she can look at it in the mirror alone. It draws attention to that part of her body, which gets mens (and especially boys) motors running. The same goes for the tattoos on the lower back, whether you can get someone to admidt the reason or not - men look, notice female body, get excited - fact.

Now, why does this go on? Parents and society are to blame.

#1- most of the time parents are not even around. They are too busy earning 2 incomes to pay for the big house in "the right neighbourhood" and to afford to drive a new car for every family member over 16. So what happens? TV, the internet and their peers become the baby sitter (even if they are not babies anymore).

#2- Media is telling the children that sex sells. If you want that cool guy, use your sexuality. Parents real life behaviour adds confirmation to the sales pitch. Dad, do your girls see you enjoying porn? If so, if they want to get their guy, they will have to dress, look and act like the girls that daddy likes to get the guy who is like dad. Think about this: Is CNN really the most trusted name in news or do they just keep telling us they are?......... Is dressing like a tramp really the way to a happy life, or does MTV and Much Music keep showing us videos of a happy Britney, Christina and the "Gangsta rapper" of the week sporting money, cars, "bling" and "hoes"?

#3- What if mommy and daddy do not live together anymore? A preteen girl sees daddy leave mom for a 20 something, thong wearing, silicone enhanced "Barbie" and therefore equates that "if I want to be happy, I need to look and act like a **** to keep my man happy, because mom didn't" (not the way I feel - just what I see)

#4- Single moms, what are you portraying to your daughters? That you need to "put out" on the first date to get a guy? Do your children regularly see you coming home (or going home) with different men just so you do not have to be alone? Your children will think that you do not feel like they are companions (therefore you feel alone). They will also feel that sleeping around is acceptable behaviour and they need to be the most attractive lure to catch the best fish.

#5- Fathers, how do you treat women? If your sons and daughters see you treating them as sex purveyors (strippers, porn), they will assume that it is acceptable behaviour to act in a similar manner. Sons being disrespectful to women and women disrespecting themselves.

Things have gotten worse, and as many of you have pointed out -lingere for kids? What is up with that? Purchasing it only encourages it. How many fathers that only get to see "their little princess" every other weekend want to say no to them when they want to buy what "every other girl in school is wearing"? Too many fathers will give in out of guilt for the lack of time spent with them. Mothers counteract by not wanting to be "too restrictive" so that little "Suzie" will not go and live with their "deadbeat dad".

Parents need to say no! Turn off the MTV. Play a game of Monopoly. Streetproof their children. Take a role in being an educator of their own children and stop blaming others and saying "nothing has changed" (Denial is not a river in Egypt). Teach your children morality. They do not need to learn their own lessons from their own mistakes. Would it be loving to let a child learn that a stove is hot by putting (or allowing them to put) their hands on a hot stove? Or to learn that playing in the middle of the street was dangerous by letting them learn on their own? So why give them a powerful tool as sexuality to learn on their own? Why allow them to learn about parenthood from a young age because "they have to learn from their own mistakes"? Now they have a new life involved. Why learn about STDs (Sexually Transmitted Disease) on their own? Why should they learn about the guilt of abortion on their own?

Media teaches kids that sex sells, most parents reinforce it. Very few teach about the dangers that go along with that sell. Most will speak of the pleasures, but the are pains are never associated. Sexual relations are great, but if not shared with those who love back - they are empty. Teaching and allowing our daughters to be sexual can only bring about pain. Theirs, their children and ours from seeing them in pain.

Sorry for the rant.
 
Frappuccino Dibs
#47
Holy crap! I'm glad I have a son, it's sounds a lot simpler.
 
Twila
#48
Quote:

When I went to high school (circa 1986), girls did not walk around with thongs hanging out of the back of lowrider jeans.

I was 15 in 1986. I was wearing lycra mini skirts that came to down just over my butt cheeks. Some girls were wearing these 'bandaid" skirts with stileto's and those little socks with the frills that came to the ankle bone.

Some girls had tatto'o's in my high school. Some of the girls had piercings of unusual sorts. Sometimes shirts with low necklines were worn that barely covered to the nipple.

I don't things have changed that much. There just different.
 
Tom McNall
#49
Quote: Originally Posted by Twila

I was 15 in 1986. I was wearing lycra mini skirts that came to down just over my butt cheeks. Some girls were wearing these 'bandaid" skirts with stileto's and those little socks with the frills that came to the ankle bone.

Some girls had tatto'o's in my high school. Some of the girls had piercings of unusual sorts. Sometimes shirts with low necklines were worn that barely covered to the nipple.

I remember those fondly . But the sight of "but floss" and bellies arouse me even more for some reason. You may not think things have changed, but obviously they have. Designers and people will keep pushing the envelope until society says stop. So far, the words stop are not being heard.

Remember when women were vulgar if they showed their ankles? I do not, but many old timers do. I remember seeing home movies (black and white) of women in the 60's wearing those full piece/down the thigh swimming trunks. Now, there is not enough material to use as a shoelace on some modern bathing suits. Now it is acceptable for a woman to go out dancing with only a bra on. I am sorry if I stare, but I like women's bodies. It is distracting. I do not want to be disrespectful to my wife, but it is hard to not look. I would not want her or my daughters to dress that way because I know what men are thinking. Only I want to think about those things with my wife. That is what it boils down to with most men - "I do not mind them dressing that way as long as it is not my wife or daughter". The fact is - they are sombodies daughter. The could be sombodies wife or mother or sister. If they would show respect to their family members, why would anyone show respect to another person who disrespects themselves? That is where we find ourselves today. People who do not respect themselves will not be respected by others. This is why these girls and women always lament "Why do I keep ending up with losers?" and "Why are all the good ones taken?"

Because they are advertising that "I am selling sexuality". And the only ones buying are those who only want what is being offered. I joke with my wife that I sometimes wish she was a sex freak - she had to have it all of the time. The only draw back is that if that were to happen, I would be afraid to go to work, because I would not be there to satisfy her 24 hours a day. I also half joke that women are the keepers of the sexual act, because if it were up to men, we would be having it 24 hours a day and nothing would ever get done (well one thing would be getting done that's for sure ). So women are the responsible ones in that regard (I am only joking - I am not saying that women alone are responsible for sexual activity). When you think about that and see the way society has turned out, what is the result?

Since the days of your sexy lycra mini skirts, low cleavage tops, stilettoes and ankle socks (yum) to today's thongs and belly shows, what has the increase in single mothers, STD's and abortions shown us? Do you think that I have much respect for the men my age who have 5 children from 3 different mothers, do not have a real job, live with their parents and play video games all day? What positive role in society does the fruit of a sexually charged society play?
 
Twila
#50
Uh, but think back to the 1930's (not that either of us remember that period first hand) it was a pretty fast and lurid time
 
Jo Canadian
#51
 
choppie
#52
For Tom
I agree with a whole lot of what you had to say. Now... I was raised with excellent morals and my mother was almost perfect...no jokes. I do not dress ****ty and I'm 21. Why is it that I'M the one who feels so out of place when i wear a regular t-shirt or sweater and jeans to a club??? I sometimes feel like i have to be ****ty to be accepted by GIRLS........let alone guys. I think SOME women are doing it to themselves....with help from parents and the media. We're all trying so hard not to be "bra burners" and we want to be what men want us to be.....that makes us all "cooler" in their eyes... and thats what all young girls want...is to be popular. Some will do whatever it takes...the word "virginity" comes to mind...tsk tsk.....i feel bad for being me....thats not right...
 
Tom McNall
#53
Choppie,

Sounds like your mom did a great job

Quote: Originally Posted by choppie

I think SOME women are doing it to themselves....with help from parents and the media. We're all trying so hard not to be "bra burners" and we want to be what men want us to be.....that makes us all "cooler" in their eyes... and thats what all young girls want...is to be popular. Some will do whatever it takes...the word "virginity" comes to mind...tsk tsk.....i feel bad for being me....thats not right...

If some men want women to be cheap and easy, it is because they want the sex without the responsability. Hey, if I could get someone to give me a Ferrari without the payments or the insurance OR the fuel bill, would I take it? Probably. Would I appreciate it? Not really. Anyone who says they would is lying to get something for nothing. There is no appreciation for things today unless you have to work for them.

Never let anyone make you feel bad for doing the right thing.

Jo Canadian,

Loved the cartoon!
 

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