MONSANTO

Reverend Blair
#61
What happens is that they push others out of the market and then by, "aggressively enforce patent laws on Roundup Ready technology," they make it impossible to grow non-GM products in the area.

It is impossible to grow non-Roundup ready in an area where the Roundup version is also being grown because of cross-pollenation and seed scatter.
 
Reverend Blair
#62
What happens is that they push others out of the market and then by, "aggressively enforce patent laws on Roundup Ready technology," they make it impossible to grow non-GM products in the area.

It is impossible to grow non-Roundup ready in an area where the Roundup version is also being grown because of cross-pollenation and seed scatter.
 
Reverend Blair
#63
What happens is that they push others out of the market and then by, "aggressively enforce patent laws on Roundup Ready technology," they make it impossible to grow non-GM products in the area.

It is impossible to grow non-Roundup ready in an area where the Roundup version is also being grown because of cross-pollenation and seed scatter.
 
NSA
#64
That is what pisses me off about the thing - to Monsanto, it seems cross-pollination is "not a bug, it's a feature". I wouldn't be surprised if they deliberately planned it that way. The Schmeisser case certainly seems like a way to intimidate farmers into paying for licenses "just in case"... and if you're paying for a license, why not just grow the stuff outright, spray the glyphosate and bring in some extra bucks?

The technology is being blatantly perverted, nobody's "feeding the world" with this crap. Most of the scientists I know are repulsed by this behaviour.
 
NSA
#65
That is what pisses me off about the thing - to Monsanto, it seems cross-pollination is "not a bug, it's a feature". I wouldn't be surprised if they deliberately planned it that way. The Schmeisser case certainly seems like a way to intimidate farmers into paying for licenses "just in case"... and if you're paying for a license, why not just grow the stuff outright, spray the glyphosate and bring in some extra bucks?

The technology is being blatantly perverted, nobody's "feeding the world" with this crap. Most of the scientists I know are repulsed by this behaviour.
 
NSA
#66
That is what pisses me off about the thing - to Monsanto, it seems cross-pollination is "not a bug, it's a feature". I wouldn't be surprised if they deliberately planned it that way. The Schmeisser case certainly seems like a way to intimidate farmers into paying for licenses "just in case"... and if you're paying for a license, why not just grow the stuff outright, spray the glyphosate and bring in some extra bucks?

The technology is being blatantly perverted, nobody's "feeding the world" with this crap. Most of the scientists I know are repulsed by this behaviour.
 
WIAF
#67
Hi Rev Blair & peapod!

I figured I'd find this news item here. How have you been?

I brought up this topic on another forum featuring "The Professor" (You can bet your boots he wouldn't mention it!). His response was to perform a "cost analysis of sin" by comparing the amount of Monsanto's bribe to the budget of an (unmentioned) NGO. Surprised?

Howdy NSA!

Guelph, eh? Any chance you attended the (fairly) recent biotechnology conference at the local U?
 
WIAF
#68
Hi Rev Blair & peapod!

I figured I'd find this news item here. How have you been?

I brought up this topic on another forum featuring "The Professor" (You can bet your boots he wouldn't mention it!). His response was to perform a "cost analysis of sin" by comparing the amount of Monsanto's bribe to the budget of an (unmentioned) NGO. Surprised?

Howdy NSA!

Guelph, eh? Any chance you attended the (fairly) recent biotechnology conference at the local U?
 
WIAF
#69
Hi Rev Blair & peapod!

I figured I'd find this news item here. How have you been?

I brought up this topic on another forum featuring "The Professor" (You can bet your boots he wouldn't mention it!). His response was to perform a "cost analysis of sin" by comparing the amount of Monsanto's bribe to the budget of an (unmentioned) NGO. Surprised?

Howdy NSA!

Guelph, eh? Any chance you attended the (fairly) recent biotechnology conference at the local U?
 
NSA
#70
That is what pisses me off about the thing - to Monsanto, it seems cross-pollination is "not a bug, it's a feature".

... to clarify, "which is completely opposite to every responsible biotechnologist out there". When DNA-splicing technology was first developed, there was a voluntary moratorium for several years until SAFE vectors were developed which would prevent this in bacteria. This sort of sober thought is notably absent the second a few bucks are to be made, of course.

I am in Guelph, but no, I didn't go to the biotech conference. I'm sure it was interesting but I was probably home watching Buffy or something like that. That tends to happen
 
NSA
#71
That is what pisses me off about the thing - to Monsanto, it seems cross-pollination is "not a bug, it's a feature".

... to clarify, "which is completely opposite to every responsible biotechnologist out there". When DNA-splicing technology was first developed, there was a voluntary moratorium for several years until SAFE vectors were developed which would prevent this in bacteria. This sort of sober thought is notably absent the second a few bucks are to be made, of course.

I am in Guelph, but no, I didn't go to the biotech conference. I'm sure it was interesting but I was probably home watching Buffy or something like that. That tends to happen
 
NSA
#72
That is what pisses me off about the thing - to Monsanto, it seems cross-pollination is "not a bug, it's a feature".

... to clarify, "which is completely opposite to every responsible biotechnologist out there". When DNA-splicing technology was first developed, there was a voluntary moratorium for several years until SAFE vectors were developed which would prevent this in bacteria. This sort of sober thought is notably absent the second a few bucks are to be made, of course.

I am in Guelph, but no, I didn't go to the biotech conference. I'm sure it was interesting but I was probably home watching Buffy or something like that. That tends to happen
 
Reverend Blair
#73
Quote:

His response was to perform a "cost analysis of sin" by comparing the amount of Monsanto's bribe to the budget of an (unmentioned) NGO. Surprised?

I'm not surprised at all, WIAF. I hope you responded with a cost analysis of the benefits of having Monsanto pay the travel expenses of one of their shills. The Professor likes when people do that.
 
Reverend Blair
#74
Quote:

His response was to perform a "cost analysis of sin" by comparing the amount of Monsanto's bribe to the budget of an (unmentioned) NGO. Surprised?

I'm not surprised at all, WIAF. I hope you responded with a cost analysis of the benefits of having Monsanto pay the travel expenses of one of their shills. The Professor likes when people do that.
 
Reverend Blair
#75
Quote:

His response was to perform a "cost analysis of sin" by comparing the amount of Monsanto's bribe to the budget of an (unmentioned) NGO. Surprised?

I'm not surprised at all, WIAF. I hope you responded with a cost analysis of the benefits of having Monsanto pay the travel expenses of one of their shills. The Professor likes when people do that.
 
WIAF
#76
I haven't responded to that one at all - yet, Rev. Timing is important. Besides I'm preparing to feed him a stew of his own agit-prop.

Check your messages.
 
WIAF
#77
I haven't responded to that one at all - yet, Rev. Timing is important. Besides I'm preparing to feed him a stew of his own agit-prop.

Check your messages.
 
WIAF
#78
I haven't responded to that one at all - yet, Rev. Timing is important. Besides I'm preparing to feed him a stew of his own agit-prop.

Check your messages.
 
Reverend Blair
#79
Thanks man.
 
Reverend Blair
#80
Thanks man.
 
Reverend Blair
#81
Thanks man.
 
Stretch
#82
Monsanto Terminator Technology -- Worldwide Famine & Starvation
www.ethicalinvesting.com/mons...rminator.shtml (external - login to view)

Terminator Seeds Threaten an End to Farming
www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Tr..._Monsanto.html (external - login to view)

www.txtwriter.com/Onscience/A...erminator.html (external - login to view)

Terminator Seeds:
Monsanto Moves to Tighten Its Grip
on GIobal Agriculture
www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Tr...Monsanto2.html (external - login to view)


Monsanto Drops Terminator Plans but Continues
Similar GE "Traitor Technology" Research
www.organicconsumers.org/Monsanto/droptt.cfm (external - login to view)

Monsanto in Closed Negotiations with the US Department of Agriculture to
Finalize Control of Terminator Technology
www.purefood.org/ge/terminator.htm (external - login to view)
 
Stretch
#83
Monsanto Terminator Technology -- Worldwide Famine & Starvation
www.ethicalinvesting.com/mons...rminator.shtml (external - login to view)

Terminator Seeds Threaten an End to Farming
www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Tr..._Monsanto.html (external - login to view)

www.txtwriter.com/Onscience/A...erminator.html (external - login to view)

Terminator Seeds:
Monsanto Moves to Tighten Its Grip
on GIobal Agriculture
www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Tr...Monsanto2.html (external - login to view)


Monsanto Drops Terminator Plans but Continues
Similar GE "Traitor Technology" Research
www.organicconsumers.org/Monsanto/droptt.cfm (external - login to view)

Monsanto in Closed Negotiations with the US Department of Agriculture to
Finalize Control of Terminator Technology
www.purefood.org/ge/terminator.htm (external - login to view)
 
Stretch
#84
Monsanto Terminator Technology -- Worldwide Famine & Starvation
www.ethicalinvesting.com/mons...rminator.shtml (external - login to view)

Terminator Seeds Threaten an End to Farming
www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Tr..._Monsanto.html (external - login to view)

www.txtwriter.com/Onscience/A...erminator.html (external - login to view)

Terminator Seeds:
Monsanto Moves to Tighten Its Grip
on GIobal Agriculture
www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Tr...Monsanto2.html (external - login to view)


Monsanto Drops Terminator Plans but Continues
Similar GE "Traitor Technology" Research
www.organicconsumers.org/Monsanto/droptt.cfm (external - login to view)

Monsanto in Closed Negotiations with the US Department of Agriculture to
Finalize Control of Terminator Technology
www.purefood.org/ge/terminator.htm (external - login to view)
 
peapod
#85
This was posted at the smirking chimp this morning.

Bush paves the way for monsanto

For the record: "U.S. declares Iraqis can not save their own
seeds"

"As part of sweeping "economic restructuring" implemented by the Bush
Administration in Iraq, Iraqi farmers will no longer be permitted to
save their seeds, which include seeds the Iraqis themselves have
developed over hundreds of years. Instead, they will be forced to buy
seeds from US corporations. That is because in recent years,
transnational corporations have patented and now own many seed varieties
originated or developed by indigenous peoples. In a short time, Iraq
will be living under the new American credo:
Pay Monsanto, or starve.

"The American Administrator of the Iraqi CPA (Coalition Provisional
Authority) government, Paul Bremer, updated Iraq's intellectual property
law to 'meet current internationally-recognized standards of
protection'.
The updated law makes saving seeds for next year's harvest, practiced
by 97% of Iraqi farmers in 2002, and is the standard farming practice
for thousands of years across human civilizations, to be now illegal..
Instead, farmers will have to obtain a yearly license for genetically
modified (GM) seeds from American corporations. These GM seeds have
typically been modified from seeds developed over thousands of
generations by indigenous farmers like the Iraqis, and shared freely
like agricultural 'open source.'"
Iraq law Requires Seed Licenses November 13, 2004

"According to Order 81, paragraph 66 - [B], issued by L. Paul Bremer
[CFR], the people in Iraq are now prohibited from saving seeds and may
only plant seeds for their food from licensed, authorized U.S.
distributors.
The paragraph states, "Farmers shall be prohibited from re-using seeds
of protected varieties or any variety mentioned in items 1 and 2 of
paragraph [C] of Article 14 of this chapter."
Written in massively intricate legalese, Order 81 directs the reader at
Article 14, paragraph 2 [C] to paragraph [B] of Article 4, which states
any variety that is different from any other known variety may be
registered in any country and become a protected variety of seed - thus
defaulting it into the "protected class" of seeds and prohibiting the
Iraqis from reusing them the following season. Every year, the Iraqis
must destroy any seed they have, and repurchase seeds from an authorized
supplier, or face fines, penalties and/or jail time. "
Iraqis Can't Save Seed January 19, 2005

The original article on this topic: Iraqi farmers aren't celebrating
October 15, 2004

As per an Iraqi proverb, the day will come, sooner rather than later,
when the Iraqis will shred Bremer's Laws, soak them in water and offer
the glass to Bremer to drink.
 
peapod
#86
This was posted at the smirking chimp this morning.

Bush paves the way for monsanto

For the record: "U.S. declares Iraqis can not save their own
seeds"

"As part of sweeping "economic restructuring" implemented by the Bush
Administration in Iraq, Iraqi farmers will no longer be permitted to
save their seeds, which include seeds the Iraqis themselves have
developed over hundreds of years. Instead, they will be forced to buy
seeds from US corporations. That is because in recent years,
transnational corporations have patented and now own many seed varieties
originated or developed by indigenous peoples. In a short time, Iraq
will be living under the new American credo:
Pay Monsanto, or starve.

"The American Administrator of the Iraqi CPA (Coalition Provisional
Authority) government, Paul Bremer, updated Iraq's intellectual property
law to 'meet current internationally-recognized standards of
protection'.
The updated law makes saving seeds for next year's harvest, practiced
by 97% of Iraqi farmers in 2002, and is the standard farming practice
for thousands of years across human civilizations, to be now illegal..
Instead, farmers will have to obtain a yearly license for genetically
modified (GM) seeds from American corporations. These GM seeds have
typically been modified from seeds developed over thousands of
generations by indigenous farmers like the Iraqis, and shared freely
like agricultural 'open source.'"
Iraq law Requires Seed Licenses November 13, 2004

"According to Order 81, paragraph 66 - [B], issued by L. Paul Bremer
[CFR], the people in Iraq are now prohibited from saving seeds and may
only plant seeds for their food from licensed, authorized U.S.
distributors.
The paragraph states, "Farmers shall be prohibited from re-using seeds
of protected varieties or any variety mentioned in items 1 and 2 of
paragraph [C] of Article 14 of this chapter."
Written in massively intricate legalese, Order 81 directs the reader at
Article 14, paragraph 2 [C] to paragraph [B] of Article 4, which states
any variety that is different from any other known variety may be
registered in any country and become a protected variety of seed - thus
defaulting it into the "protected class" of seeds and prohibiting the
Iraqis from reusing them the following season. Every year, the Iraqis
must destroy any seed they have, and repurchase seeds from an authorized
supplier, or face fines, penalties and/or jail time. "
Iraqis Can't Save Seed January 19, 2005

The original article on this topic: Iraqi farmers aren't celebrating
October 15, 2004

As per an Iraqi proverb, the day will come, sooner rather than later,
when the Iraqis will shred Bremer's Laws, soak them in water and offer
the glass to Bremer to drink.
 
peapod
#87
This was posted at the smirking chimp this morning.

Bush paves the way for monsanto

For the record: "U.S. declares Iraqis can not save their own
seeds"

"As part of sweeping "economic restructuring" implemented by the Bush
Administration in Iraq, Iraqi farmers will no longer be permitted to
save their seeds, which include seeds the Iraqis themselves have
developed over hundreds of years. Instead, they will be forced to buy
seeds from US corporations. That is because in recent years,
transnational corporations have patented and now own many seed varieties
originated or developed by indigenous peoples. In a short time, Iraq
will be living under the new American credo:
Pay Monsanto, or starve.

"The American Administrator of the Iraqi CPA (Coalition Provisional
Authority) government, Paul Bremer, updated Iraq's intellectual property
law to 'meet current internationally-recognized standards of
protection'.
The updated law makes saving seeds for next year's harvest, practiced
by 97% of Iraqi farmers in 2002, and is the standard farming practice
for thousands of years across human civilizations, to be now illegal..
Instead, farmers will have to obtain a yearly license for genetically
modified (GM) seeds from American corporations. These GM seeds have
typically been modified from seeds developed over thousands of
generations by indigenous farmers like the Iraqis, and shared freely
like agricultural 'open source.'"
Iraq law Requires Seed Licenses November 13, 2004

"According to Order 81, paragraph 66 - [B], issued by L. Paul Bremer
[CFR], the people in Iraq are now prohibited from saving seeds and may
only plant seeds for their food from licensed, authorized U.S.
distributors.
The paragraph states, "Farmers shall be prohibited from re-using seeds
of protected varieties or any variety mentioned in items 1 and 2 of
paragraph [C] of Article 14 of this chapter."
Written in massively intricate legalese, Order 81 directs the reader at
Article 14, paragraph 2 [C] to paragraph [B] of Article 4, which states
any variety that is different from any other known variety may be
registered in any country and become a protected variety of seed - thus
defaulting it into the "protected class" of seeds and prohibiting the
Iraqis from reusing them the following season. Every year, the Iraqis
must destroy any seed they have, and repurchase seeds from an authorized
supplier, or face fines, penalties and/or jail time. "
Iraqis Can't Save Seed January 19, 2005

The original article on this topic: Iraqi farmers aren't celebrating
October 15, 2004

As per an Iraqi proverb, the day will come, sooner rather than later,
when the Iraqis will shred Bremer's Laws, soak them in water and offer
the glass to Bremer to drink.
 
peapod
#88
Rev and Waif,

here is a website that I think you will find useful, its the best one I have seen yet on monsanto.

www.mindfully.org/Pesticide/M...Glyphosate.htm (external - login to view)
 
peapod
#89
Rev and Waif,

here is a website that I think you will find useful, its the best one I have seen yet on monsanto.

www.mindfully.org/Pesticide/M...Glyphosate.htm (external - login to view)
 
peapod
#90
Rev and Waif,

here is a website that I think you will find useful, its the best one I have seen yet on monsanto.

www.mindfully.org/Pesticide/M...Glyphosate.htm (external - login to view)
 

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