Are laptop users hogging Wi-Fi, tables ruining Toronto coffee shops?


Locutus
#1
With more people logging onto the Internet also comes a dilemma for coffee shops ó to give their customers free Wi-Fi at the same time ensuring the laptop crowd donít hog space all day.


In Toronto, many of the big-chain and independent coffee shops say WiFi users lingering for hours is rarely a problem, but most nonetheless have policies in place in case they need to, ever so politely, clear the table.

gtfo

Free Wi-Fi gets tricky for businesses | Toronto Star
 
QuebecCanadian
#2
With people nursing a coffee over 2 hours. I can't understood how free Wi-Fi makes these places any money. I don't think they get more people and without it turn around is much faster. I've left a coffee shop because all the tables were taken by singular people with computers or books sprawled on the table.
 
JamesBondo
#3
sounds like a no brainer. there is a reasonable limitation to how long a person can have a table. post it as a store policy on the wall, the enforce it during peak demand hours.
 
Sal
#4
with the number of people rushing through Timmies, it shouldn't be a problem...if they don't offer wifi, it might become a problem for people who need to work for a bit

not my thing to sit in a coffee shop but I know people who meet there daily before work for an hour or two...that's a guaranteed customer base
 
bill barilko
+1
#5
The one popular cafe up on Broadway turns of WiFi completely during peak shopping hours.
 
Sal
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by bill barilkoView Post

The one popular cafe up on Broadway turns of WiFi completely during peak shopping hours.

that's a brilliant way to compromise
 
JamesBondo
+1
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by bill barilkoView Post

The one popular cafe up on Broadway turns of WiFi completely during peak shopping hours.

then I wouldn't go there.
 
WLDB
#8
First time I used wifi at a starbucks was about five years ago. If I recall correctly there was a time limit for each person online of about an hour or two. Once that time was up the internet stopped working for the day. They could always do that again. The only reason I go to starbucks or other such places is for the wifi but I generally do not stay long. An hour is my average though sometimes it will be as little as ten minutes. If there was no wifi I would not go at all. I assume quite a few others would stop going as well.
 
Nuggler
+1
#9
Oh the horror, the degradation. eh.
 
JLM
+1
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by LocutusView Post

With more people logging onto the Internet also comes a dilemma for coffee shops ó to give their customers free Wi-Fi at the same time ensuring the laptop crowd donít hog space all day.


In Toronto, many of the big-chain and independent coffee shops say WiFi users lingering for hours is rarely a problem, but most nonetheless have policies in place in case they need to, ever so politely, clear the table.

gtfo

Free Wi-Fi gets tricky for businesses | Toronto Star


Seem like a lot of people need to "get a life"!
 
WLDB
+7
#11  Top Rated Post
Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

Seem like a lot of people need to "get a life"!

Says someone on the internet.
 
gopher
+2
#12
We used to have big complaints like that here in Gopherland - but once the Twin Cities became wired for wifi our libraries became the biggest hot spots. Some companies such as coin operated laundries and even auto repair services have that as well. Now the coffee shops are no longer as crowded or as popular as they used to be.
 
JamesBondo
+2
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

Seem like a lot of people need to "get a life"!

says someone with 38k posts.
 
JLM
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by JamesBondoView Post

says someone with 38k posts.


Over many years, man.- A post can be typed in 5 seconds!
 
petros
#15
I used to wonder why kids were lurking around the school across the way at all hours of the night then I noticed they were using gadgets and it dawned on me. It doesn't matter if it's 5am in a blizzard. There they are gadgeting away.
 
IdRatherBeSkiing
+1
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

Over many years, man.- A post can be typed in 5 seconds!

And sometimes thought about in even less.
 
JLM
+1
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

I used to wonder why kids were lurking around the school across the way at all hours of the night then I noticed they were using gadgets and it dawned on me. It doesn't matter if it's 5am in a blizzard. There they are gadgeting away.


It's a sickness!

Quote: Originally Posted by IdRatherBeSkiingView Post

And sometimes thought about in even less.


There's a term for it......................banter! -
 
Praxius
+1
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by NugglerView Post

Oh the horror, the degradation. eh.


"1st World Problem" was my first thought.


Gee, there's a real problem with hipster Macbook users sipping their Mocha Chai Late Grande Alfredos while writing their screenplays that nobody will ever see. Guess their lame attempts at making themselves seem sophisticated might be cutting into the profits of the businesses that enable their BS in the first place.


Amount of Sh*t Given?


Zero.
 
petros
+2
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

It's a sickness!

It's poverty.
 
gopher
+2
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by PraxiusView Post

"1st World Problem" was my first thought.


Gee, there's a real problem with hipster Macbook users sipping their Mocha Chai Late Grande Alfredos while writing their screenplays that nobody will ever see. Guess their lame attempts at making themselves seem sophisticated might be cutting into the profits of the businesses that enable their BS in the first place.


Amount of Sh*t Given?


Zero.



Dunno why people are so willing to use these laptops in public as it is said there's a big risk involved - I've heard others can easily tap into your online conversations and steal vital information. Small wonder why there is so much identity theft nowadays.
 
IdRatherBeSkiing
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by gopherView Post

Dunno why people are so willing to use these laptops in public as it is said there's a big risk involved - I've heard others can easily tap into your online conversations and steal vital information. Small wonder why there is so much identity theft nowadays.

If the internet is not secured (with password) the transmission is not encrypted and can be tapped. One should never do one's banking from such a network.
 
JamesBondo
+1
#22
we are basically creatures of habit.

for example:
- each day we get up to the same morning routine even if it isn't well defined .
- we eat basically the same meals, although we prefer to think that we eat a variety of meals.
- we succeed at things like health and fitness and study, by making them part of our daily rituals.

My point is, we have routines for being social, too. JLM made a good point, ie his 38k posts were stretched out over years. 38k doesn't suggest any fault in character, he has merely established this social media as a habit or a ritual over many years.

back to the topic, internet media and gadgetry are common these days. Someone in a coffee shop with a gadget might be doing exactly the same thing that we did with newspapers. Others with gadgets might be doing the exact same thing as we did with text books. Others might be doing the same thing as the accountant that takes a ledger book with them( sounds boring).
 
DaSleeper
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by IdRatherBeSkiingView Post

If the internet is not secured (with password) the transmission is not encrypted and can be tapped. One should never do one's banking from such a network.

Isn't the transmission encrypted as soon as you access the bank web site? https:
 
Sal
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeperView Post

Isn't the transmission encrypted as soon as you access the bank web site? https:

that's what I thought too
 
JLM
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by SalView Post

that's what I thought too


I've always thought it was safe (depending of course what you divulge in a moment of stupidity). Even if your account gets hacked how do they get their hands on the actual cash and without leaving a paper trail?
 
Sal
#26
Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

I've always thought it was safe (depending of course what you divulge in a moment of stupidity). Even if your account gets hacked how do they get their hands on the actual cash and without leaving a paper trail?

dummy accounts set up with fake I.D. that they dump the money into and then transfer elsewhere and then remove, it would only take seconds...literally
 
Tecumsehsbones
#27
I'm sure an earlier generation cursed these damn kids and their papyrus and ink, and lamented the old days when kids could have a great time with just some wet clay and a sharpened reed.
 
Sal
+1
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by TecumsehsbonesView Post

I'm sure an earlier generation cursed these damn kids and their papyrus and ink, and lamented the old days when kids could have a great time with just some wet clay and a sharpened reed.

exactly right...man you should have heard the old ladies in the pool this morning freaking out about jeans with holes at church...what an affront to show knee or midriff at church

it's a different world, they don't get it...things were always 'better in the past'
 
SLM
+1
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeperView Post

Isn't the transmission encrypted as soon as you access the bank web site? https:

It is but in the end, what does that really mean? The way I look at it, as soon as a new security measure/method of encrypting data is developed and implemented, someone will come up with a way to crack it shortly thereafter. That's what Heartbleed was, wasn't it?

I think in the end it's a numbers game, we're all just playing the odds that our data is safe. There is no such thing as absolutely secure.
 
IdRatherBeSkiing
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeperView Post

Isn't the transmission encrypted as soon as you access the bank web site? https:

You are correct, https is encrypted. But not all sites you access are and certainly if one was to use the same password for all, one could guess it. Which is why your banking should also have a separate password.


But I generally am more careful with 1 less level of security on a public wifi network.

Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

I've always thought it was safe (depending of course what you divulge in a moment of stupidity). Even if your account gets hacked how do they get their hands on the actual cash and without leaving a paper trail?

With e-transfers it is quick and easy. Before you found your money, it would be gone. I do get texts from my bank when a new one is set up but even then by the time I called the bank, the money would be gone (assuming I actually had money that is).
 

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