Normalizing Pedophilia 2

[Locutus]

The Atlantic publishes two articles normalizing pedophilia

I, Pedophile - David Goldberg - The Atlantic


What Can Be Done About Pedophilia? - Alice Dreger - The Atlantic




I have written about this before. In our growing hedonistic culture, pedophilia is in the process of being normalized, downgraded by some from a severe sexual perversion into a mere ”orientation.”
The Atlantic–mainstream media!–has two articles that push us in that direction. First, “I Pedophile,” by David Goldberg–a Canadian journalist convicted for viewing child pornography–argues that his obsession with children is a “sexual orientation:”

The main query that I am convinced will always be without an answer is why I am a pedophile. It is the equivalent of trying to determine why someone is heterosexual or gay. We don’t choose our sexual orientations. If we could, believe me, no one would choose mine.
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Then, he says incarceration isn’t the right approach to child porn consumers:

I am not advocating the cross-generational lifestyle. In fact, there is never an instance when an adult should engage in sexual behavior with a child. But until we as a society learn that help for those who view child pornography is a far better alternative to incarceration, we are doomed to see the continued proliferation of this problem. Scientists don’t know for certain if there is a correlation between viewing child pornography and offending against children. Wouldn’t it be nice to get pedophiles help before we find out for certain?
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“Cross generational lifestyle?” Watching child porn is “offending against children!”


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Normalizing Pedophilia 2 | National Review Online

http://tvanouvelles.ca/lcn/judiciaire/archives/2012/06/20120601-074226.html

 

[Walter]

Homosexual marriage was unheard of not too long ago.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

It's all Obama's fault.

 

[Walter]

It's all Obama's fault.

Please tell us how.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Please tell us how.

If I can figure out a way to do it in words of one syllable, I'll let you know.

But it's clearly part of his Kenyan Muslim Socialist agenda to destroy America.

 

[Walter]

If I can figure out a way to do it in words of one syllable, I'll let you know.

But it's clearly part of his Kenyan Muslim Socialist agenda to destroy America.

You are a birther, good for you.

 

[Nuggler]

It's all Obama's fault.

Harper's.

 

[Cliffy]

Harper's.

And what of his obsession with kittens? Are we going to see the normalization of obsessing over kittens as a sexual preference? Kittenophilia harms kittens. These people are sick but I'm not sure that counseling would be of more benefit to society than jail time. Mother cats everywhere are counting on us to solve this very dire situation.

 

[damngrumpy]

This is nonsense. No one in there right mind would side with pedophiles and they
are quite different from homosexuals. When you look at the over all landscape of
pedohilia it is mostly a hetrosexual problem, not exclusively though by any means.
It might be said homosexuality is in the social realm and a union of consenting
adults that being the key phrase. Pedophilia is not with consenting adults who are
in charge of their own lives therefore its a Criminal Matter.

 

[Zipperfish]

Like most opinion writers, this guy has a pretty short memory. Sex with children used to be pretty common. It was perfectly ok to marry a 13 y.o. not to long ago. And pedophila (that is sex with younger children) was never really acceptable in our modern western culture, but it was, to an extent, tolerated. It was rampant in the public schools of England, for example. It was mostly overlooked when practicied by whites and blacks on black slaves as well.

So, far from being normalized, it has been considered a much more serious crime now. We;'ve enacted laws to stop people from going overseas to have sex with children. We've taken some steps to prevent underage prostitutes (kiddie strolls). And it certainly carries much more moral repugnance than it used to.

That said, I agree with the Goldberg guy to the extent that pedophilia is likely a sexual orientation. You are born with it, I think. It's simply due to chemicals in your brain and there is bugger all you can do about if you have it.

However, Goldberg says that incarceration is not the right solution. Well, if it is a sexual orientation, then there is really no known way to change that. You can't turn it off, right? And sexual impulses are extremely powerful, so recidivism is a big problem. Given that, incarceration seems appropriate. They shouldn't be put in witht he general population though, in my opinion.

 

[WLDB]

Looking into what causes it does not normalize it by any means. A person can't control what they are attracted to but they can control how they act on it. I see no problem with trying to help those who have not acted on it. Once they do act and victimize a child then they become a criminal and should face the consequences.

 

[Cliffy]

There may or may not be rare instances where there is mutual consent. I don't know, but where there is no consent, it is rape and rape of a child is as, if not more, damaging to the psyche of the victim and should be punished accordingly. Let us get rid of the pedophilia label and call it what it is - rape of children.

 

[karrie]

There may or may not be rare instances where there is mutual consent. I don't know, but where there is no consent, it is rape and rape of a child is as, if not more, damaging to the psyche of the victim and should be punished accordingly. Let us get rid of the pedophilia label and call it what it is - rape of children.

They are never charged with pedophilia, they are charged with sexual assault, so I don't quite get what you're on about.

–..... In fact, there is never an instance when an adult should engage in sexual behavior with a child.


Watching child porn is “offending against children!”

First of all, he reads as normalizing it only if you ignore key phrases like the first one here.

As to the author's, or your, statement (it's not clear which on that last statement is), I've read more than one person on here, and you specifically, state that watching a crime is not the same as being involved in a crime, when advocating against 'censorship'. How and why is a child different from a murder victim exactly? You know some people are watching to be witness, some are watching to get off, and some are watching out of sheer curiosity.

Now don't get me wrong, I think both types of content should be scoured from the earth, I just find it an odd stance if it's your own.

 

[Cobalt_Kid]

If you're paying someone to commit a crime then viewing it on your computer or video player at home you're still part of the offence. Molesting children is a crime, even calling it sex is a complete distortion of what it really is.

Sex is something between two consenting adults, children haven't formed the maturity to give that consent. Adults that prey on them aren't merely living an alternative lifestyle, they're predators of some of the most vulnerable members of society. Until we figure out some cure for this kind of aberration we need to put the interests of children first. Which should mean imprisoning child molesters and people who support them by viewing child pornography.

 

[Locutus]

The entire article is by Wesley Smith. He is commenting on our child-porn-watching friend, mr. goldberg's piece. The italics would be Smith's and the bold the perv's.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

If you're paying someone to commit a crime then viewing it on your computer or video player at home you're still part of the offence. Molesting children is a crime, even calling it sex is a complete distortion of what it really is.

Sex is something between two consenting adults, children haven't formed the maturity to give that consent. Adults that prey on them aren't merely living an alternative lifestyle, they're predators of some of the most vulnerable members of society. Until we figure out some cure for this kind of aberration we need to put the interests of children first. Which should mean imprisoning child molesters and people who support them by viewing child pornography.

So, if I watch a news presentation of a security-camera video of a person being murdered, I'm part of the murder?

 

[Cobalt_Kid]

So, if I watch a news presentation of a security-camera video of a person being murdered, I'm part of the murder?

Theoretically there is news value in showing security footage of crimes, what healthy value could there be in watching the abuse of children. We don't allow this because of how destructive it is to the young and society as whole.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Theoretically there is news value in showing security footage of crimes, what healthy value could there be in watching the abuse of children. We don't allow this because of how destructive it is to the young and society as whole.

By "news value," you mean commercial value. In case you hadn't noticed, there are adverts during the news. And the competition for adverts, and advertising dollars, dictates content.

In other words, it's commercial.

 

[Sal]

From the article, I don't believe Goldberg normalizes pedophilia but rather looks at it from a clinical perspective. He is not endorsing it.

His statements about pedophilia being a sexual orientation have long been an accepted fact. If what he is saying is true, that most do not act on their sexual preferences much the same as the majority of psychopaths do not murder we have no means of identifying the danger.

I do not believe they should be in authoritative positions around children or left alone with children. If we keep it buried they will be. We need to place child welfare above our feelings of repulsion and open this up.

I don't think we are evolved enough as a society yet to do this.

 

[eh1eh]

Homosexual marriage was unheard of not too long ago.

Or too long ago depending on how far from the right you are looking.

Please tell us how.

Oh look everyone. Someone else who cannot detect sarcasm.

From the article, I don't believe Goldberg normalizes pedophilia but rather looks at it from a clinical perspective. He is not endorsing it.

The subtleties of science elude the right and the religious.