M latest point (on how there is no data being collected (or looked for) in many murder suicides..
To reiterate what I see as a huge problem, is hidden information where one may be able to draw conclusions, but no information is being collected (in this case... tox reports not even requested by coroners as per my above post)
We all know that simple stats work either for us or against s.. it is however they are portrayed to support the cause at hand..
The truth is there is very little data collected and what is colected is private where no one is privy too the info..
There have been very few studies on antidepressants and antipsychotics..and many say their study showed that they dont work....
The problem is studies cant be done to determine a real vs placebo affect on homicide and suicide..
I will admit that apparently this adverse side effect doesnt happen to everyone or at least not at the same time/duration of taking/changing or increasing a dose..
Deprssion has no set symptom of suicide...
There are studies that say most people who are are depressed, or have experienced depression, have never experienced suicidal thoughts while being depressed...
To also reiterate the drug monographs on antidepressants and antipsychotics state that it was found in studies that these drugs can bring on suicide and homicide ideation. (They do state it is rare) ....
On account that it is stated by the manufacturer that it CAN happen, why does the medical profession down play it and tell us how rare it is..?
How do we know how rare it is when we arent getting the information in horrific events as to whther or not the perp was taking or withdrawing from this type of medication, and whether or not they had ever reported suicidal or homicidal thoughts prior to their use?
It is scientific information that says loss or reality and delusion are also adverse effects.. How would a person suffering from loss of reality, know that they are not in their right mind..
I is stated it can happen, so I dont understand how we are supposed to ever know just how often it is happening when the reports and information are either hidden and not tracked and not collected.......
It is only logical to assume it still occurs (on account that the manufacturer said it did)
In recent murder suicides
Alison Easton Corchis, Ottawa,
Peter Thomasing Ottawa,
Derek Jensen Lethbridge Alberta,
David Allen Georgetown On
Darren Wourms Wahlberg Sk
Alec Lamb Hope BC
Siyavash Pourchamani Winnipeg
Julien Nonato Winnipeg
Mathura Chaitram Winnipeg
Luke Chaisson Degrau NF
Andrea Damude Petawawa On
Ed Amler Windsor On
Amiben Prajapati Calgary
Wojeciech Kosalka Milton On
Yu Mei Lai Calgary
to name same of the recent ones in the last year or so...
Understandly, the families are crushed by the tradgedy. Understandly the general public looks at these monstrous events where the perp and family are hated when it is possible that the monster was created by adverse reactions..
Understandly the family has no strength or will to draw any attention on the case, and they cant speak out and many likely dont even know of monstrous adverse reactions that are listed in the drug monograph (that pharmacists do not offer the receipient) and the doctors dont come out and give us any details on their now dead patient..many dont even necessarily know that their relative was taking an antidepressant or antipsychotic..
It seems plausible that some of these tragic events were induced by meds and an adverse report will never be completed so to potentially change the current mind set of this being so rare is crazy...