#91
Re: Calgary dad sentenced to 15-years for 'reign of terror'
Nov 21st, 2012
I kind of agree with Angstrom.
Calgary dad sentenced to 15-years for 'reign of terror'
#92
Re: Calgary dad sentenced to 15-years for 'reign of terror'
Nov 21st, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear
I kind of agree with Angstrom.
....... Wait....Are you allowed to agree with me.....
Check the forum rules
I dont think your allowed to agree with me
#93
Re: Calgary dad sentenced to 15-years for 'reign of terror'
Nov 21st, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by Angstrom
The family of the victim will forgive and move on or they will not forgive and move on. I agree that if the person is not a threat to society, why should society spend thousands of dollars per year incarcerating them? Impact on the family is irrelevant because everybody handles it differently. I know a guy that had lawn ornaments stolen from his yard a few years ago and has never gotten over it. Should the kids that took them be punished more severely because he is a drama queen?That's just the problem. Justice can never be served no matter how many years the murderer spends locked up.
The best scenario out of the whole situation is if you can rehabilitate everyone back to being a good and productive citizen.
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#94
Re: Calgary dad sentenced to 15-years for 'reign of terror'
Nov 22nd, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by Angstrom
What? I believe in restorative justice and rehabilitation........ Wait....Are you allowed to agree with me.....
Check the forum rules
I dont think your allowed to agree with me
I've seen it work first hand.
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#95Re: Calgary dad sentenced to 15-years for 'reign of terror'
Nov 22nd, 2012
The Canadian justice system is based on finding the balance between justice and rehabilitation. I think it's important to remember that. But regardless, I don't think either will be served by 'making sure his sentence isn't harsh', given the crimes he committed. There are appeals and parole systems for a reason. Give him a sentence that gives his daughter some justice, and let him earn his way to early parole via rehabilitation if he can. Being a rehabilitation system doesn't mean we have to let this guy off lighter than other violent rapists, just because he was 'good' enough to keep it in the family.
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#96Re: Calgary dad sentenced to 15-years for 'reign of terror'
Nov 22nd, 2012
Some people seem to think it's less harmful to be betrayed by someone you're supposed to be able to trust than it is to be harmed by a complete stranger. Sort of makes one wonder about "warped"
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#97Re: Calgary dad sentenced to 15-years for 'reign of terror'
Nov 22nd, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by karrie
That S.O.B. is going to take one hell of a lot of rehabillitating, if it can be done at all, which I doubt. There's an old saying- "you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear"-The Canadian justice system is based on finding the balance between justice and rehabilitation. I think it's important to remember that. But regardless, I don't think either will be served by 'making sure his sentence isn't harsh', given the crimes he committed. There are appeals and parole systems for a reason. Give him a sentence that gives his daughter some justice, and let him earn his way to early parole via rehabilitation if he can. Being a rehabilitation system doesn't mean we have to let this guy off lighter than other violent rapists, just because he was 'good' enough to keep it in the family.
#98
Re: Calgary dad sentenced to 15-years for 'reign of terror'
Nov 22nd, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by JLM
Which is exactly why they shouldn't assume rehabilitation. Give a heavy sentence, allow them to shorten it with rehabilitation. That way, if they remain a risk to society, you don't have to let them out in 15 years. I can't imagine how it will impact his daughter to see him free in such a relatively short amount of time, without anything about him necessarily having changed.That S.O.B. is going to take one hell of a lot of rehabillitating, if it can be done at all, which I doubt. There's an old saying- "you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear"-
#99
Re: Calgary dad sentenced to 15-years for 'reign of terror'
Nov 22nd, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by karrie
Justice definitely has to "trump" rehab, the debt owed is to the victim, the perpetrator is owed absolutely nothing, except possibly an opportunity to do what HE can for HIMSELF.Which is exactly why they shouldn't assume rehabilitation. Give a heavy sentence, allow them to shorten it with rehabilitation. That way, if they remain a risk to society, you don't have to let them out in 15 years. I can't imagine how it will impact his daughter to see him free in such a relatively short amount of time, without anything about him necessarily having changed.
#100
Re: Calgary dad sentenced to 15-years for 'reign of terror'
Nov 22nd, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by karrie
Or give them a short minimum sentence with no maximum. They can't be let out until it's deemed they are not a significant threat to society.Give a heavy sentence, allow them to shorten it with rehabilitation.
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#101Re: Calgary dad sentenced to 15-years for 'reign of terror'
Nov 22nd, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by JLM
Got a red on that one eh.That S.O.B. is going to take one hell of a lot of rehabillitating, if it can be done at all, which I doubt. There's an old saying- "you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear"-
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#102Re: Calgary dad sentenced to 15-years for 'reign of terror'
Nov 22nd, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by Cannuck
That would be an idea too yeah. Either way, it would be nice to see the system truly emphasise rehabilitation. We let them out anyway (my friend's rapist didn't even do 4 years), we may as well make sure that the overall health of society is being served.Or give them a short minimum sentence with no maximum. They can't be let out until it's deemed they are not a significant threat to society.
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#103Re: Calgary dad sentenced to 15-years for 'reign of terror'
Nov 22nd, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by Goober
Do you think you can guess which A$$hole did it? -Got a red on that one eh.
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#104Re: Calgary dad sentenced to 15-years for 'reign of terror'
Nov 22nd, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by JLM
I could take a stab in the dark. I have enough to finish painting a wall. I think that mouse stutters a lot.Do you think you can guess which A$$hole did it? -
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#105Re: Calgary dad sentenced to 15-years for 'reign of terror'
Nov 22nd, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by karrie
For what that guy did he's damn lucky to get off with 15 years, nobody should even be thinking "rehabillitation" until he has done at least 12.That would be an idea too yeah. Either way, it would be nice to see the system truly emphasise rehabilitation. We let them out anyway (my friend's rapist didn't even do 4 years), we may as well make sure that the overall health of society is being served.
#106
Re: Calgary dad sentenced to 15-years for 'reign of terror'
Nov 22nd, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear
Compared to other services.What? I believe in restorative justice and rehabilitation.
I've seen it work first hand.
I like to think, Canadian correctional services runs a very respectable gig.
Our court system is not too bad ether.
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#107Re: Calgary dad sentenced to 15-years for 'reign of terror'
Nov 22nd, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by Goober
It took you long enough for that one.I could take a stab in the dark. I have enough to finish painting a wall. I think that mouse stutters a lot.
Quote: Originally Posted by Goober
Quicker this time.It took you long enough for that one.
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#108Re: Calgary dad sentenced to 15-years for 'reign of terror'
Nov 24th, 2012
JLM, Shoot the bastard, Agreed, but who wants to pay for the bullet? Let him sit in jail and we pay thru the *** to keep these id10ts in jails and for what? So they have more rights than you and I as law abiding citizens? This is really getting to the point that we need to reintroduce capital punishment. Just my thoughts
#109
Re: Calgary dad sentenced to 15-years for 'reign of terror'
Nov 24th, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by canuck50
I think the problem is the term capital punishment. If we changed it to "doing everybody involved a favour" it might have better traction.JLM, Shoot the bastard, Agreed, but who wants to pay for the bullet? Let him sit in jail and we pay thru the *** to keep these id10ts in jails and for what? So they have more rights than you and I as law abiding citizens? This is really getting to the point that we need to reintroduce capital punishment. Just my thoughts
#110
Re: Calgary dad sentenced to 15-years for 'reign of terror'
Nov 24th, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy
Sounds good to me. I don't like capital punishment but I'm all for people doing me a favour.I think the problem is the term capital punishment. If we changed it to "doing everybody involved a favour" it might have better traction.
#111
Re: Calgary dad sentenced to 15-years for 'reign of terror'
Nov 24th, 2012
A Calgary redneck cowboy
Last edited by Liberalman; Nov 24th, 2012 at 04:00 PM..Reason: some
#112
Re: Calgary dad sentenced to 15-years for 'reign of terror'
Nov 24th, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by Liberalman
My cousin in Calgary worked with this guy. He's from Toronto.A Calgary redneck cowboy
#113
Re: Calgary dad sentenced to 15-years for 'reign of terror'
Nov 24th, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by Cannuck
Harper is from Toronto like I said a redneck Calgary cowboyMy cousin in Calgary worked with this guy. He's from Toronto.
#114
Re: Calgary dad sentenced to 15-years for 'reign of terror'
Nov 24th, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by Liberalman
LOL....You've obviously never seen a cowboy if you think this....Harper is from Toronto like I said a redneck Calgary cowboy
...is a cowboy.
#115
Re: Calgary dad sentenced to 15-years for 'reign of terror'
Nov 24th, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy
Could be Cliffy, there's no doubt the term "capital" does carry the connation of money.I think the problem is the term capital punishment. If we changed it to "doing everybody involved a favour" it might have better traction.
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