Are the people who advocate "going green" today just a bunch of bloody hypocrites?

JLM

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Are the people who advocate "going green" today just a bunch of bloody hypocrites?

Being Green







Checking out at the store, the young cashier suggested to the
older woman, that she should bring her own grocery bags because plastic
bags weren't good for the environment.

The woman apologized and explained, "We didn't have this green
thing back in my earlier days."

The young clerk responded, "That's our problem today. Your
generation did not care enough to save our environment for future
generations."

She was right -- our generation didn't have the green thing in
its day.

Back then, we returned milk bottles, soda bottles and beer
bottles to the store. The store sent them back to the plant to be washed
and sterilized and refilled, so it could use the same bottles over and
over. So they really were recycled.

But we didn't have the green thing back in our day.

Grocery stores bagged our groceries in brown paper bags, that we
reused for numerous things, most memorable besides household garbage
bags, was the use of brown paper bags as book covers for our
schoolbooks. This was to ensure that public property, (the books
provided for our use by the school) was not defaced by our scribbling's.
Then we were able to personalize our books on the brown paper bags.

But too bad we didn't do the green thing back then.

We walked up stairs, because we didn't have an escalator in
every store and office building. We walked to the grocery store and
didn't climb into a 300-horsepower machine every time we had to go two
blocks.

But she was right. We didn't have the green thing in our day.

Back then, we washed the baby's diapers because we didn't have
the throwaway kind. We dried clothes on a line, not in an
energy-gobbling machine burning up 220 volts -- wind and solar power
really did dry our clothes back in our early days. Kids got hand-me-down
clothes from their brothers or sisters, not always brand-new clothing.

But that young lady is right; we didn't have the green thing
back in our day.

Back then, we had one TV, or radio, in the house -- not a TV in
every room. And the TV had a small screen the size of a handkerchief
(remember them?), not a screen the size of the state of Montana. In the
kitchen, we blended and stirred by hand because we didn't have electric
machines to do everything for us. When we packaged a fragile item to
send in the mail, we used wadded up old newspapers to cushion it, not
Styrofoam or plastic bubble wrap. Back then, we didn't fire up an engine
and burn gasoline just to cut the lawn. We used a push mower that ran on
human power. We exercised by working so we didn't need to go to a health
club to run on treadmills that operate on electricity.

But she's right; we didn't have the green thing back then.

We drank from a fountain when we were thirsty instead of using a
cup or a plastic bottle every time we had a drink of water. We refilled
writing pens with ink instead of buying a new pen, and we replaced the
razor blades in a razor instead of throwing away the whole razor just
because the blade got dull.

But we didn't have the green thing back then.

Back then, people took the streetcar or a bus and kids rode
their bikes to school or walked instead of turning their moms into a
24-hour taxi service. We had one electrical outlet in a room, not an
entire bank of sockets to power a dozen appliances. And we didn't need a
computerized gadget to receive a signal beamed from satellites 23,000
miles out in space in order to find the nearest burger joint.

But isn't it sad the current generation laments how wasteful we
old folks were just because we didn't have the green thing back then?

Please forward this on to another selfish old person who needs a
lesson in conservation from a smart ass young person...

We don't like being old in the first place, so it doesn't take
much to piss us off.
 

Cabbagesandking

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Re: Are the people who advocate "going green" today just a bunch of bloody hypocrites

Not new, JLM, and just as foolish as it was the first time I saw it. What it was like "back in the day" is entirely irrelevant to what needs to be done now. Getting back to that day is part of it: a step on the way.
 

JLM

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Re: Are the people who advocate "going green" today just a bunch of bloody hypocrites

Not new, JLM, and just as foolish as it was the first time I saw it. What it was like "back in the day" is entirely irrelevant to what needs to be done now. Getting back to that day is part of it: a step on the way.

Well, I think one thing is clear, if we are going to be greener we have to do two things, use less non renewable resources and do less polluting. I think drying clothes on the clothes line accomplishes both, as does walking to the corner store.
 

Cliffy

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Re: Are the people who advocate "going green" today just a bunch of bloody hypocrites

Back in the "good 'ol days" everything was greener cause there were way less people mindlessly consuming the planet.
 

lone wolf

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Re: Are the people who advocate "going green" today just a bunch of bloody hypocrites

Funny how population increases don't figure into the calculations isn't it?
 

Bar Sinister

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Re: Are the people who advocate "going green" today just a bunch of bloody hypocrites

Interesting, but as Cabbages points out it misses the point and it does contain a few errors. True, there were fewer 300 hp cars, but they got worse gas mileage, polluted more, and had a lifespan of only about three years after which the majority of them were junked. In addition, there was almost no recycling of anything other than glass milk and beverage bottles. True, most bags in stores were of made of paper, which was a great boon to the highly polluting pulp and paper industry. It is also almost certain that the single TV in most homes used as much electricity as four or five modern TVs, and refrigerators of the 1950s and 60s were terribly inefficient by modern standards. Also, I don't know where this person lived, but the escalator and elevator have been around for a century or so and were certainly widely used in many buildings I am familiar with.

This is more a case of selective memory than anything else; remembering the good and ignoring the bad.
 

JLM

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Re: Are the people who advocate "going green" today just a bunch of bloody hypocrites

Funny how population increases don't figure into the calculations isn't it?

Well back in the day the detrimental effects were pretty close to zero...........when you multiply a bigger number by zero it's still pretty close to zero! It's got much more to do with what we do than how many are doing it!
 

damngrumpy

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The green things is the biggest hoax ever done, its worse than snake oil.
The green thing is about money and that is all the green there is. Well
wait, its about brainwashing people into believing the world is going to
overheat, We are in fact at the mercy of people who believe you should
go about in a car the size of a shoe box that cost twice as much. They
believe we should change the light bulbs and pay ten times the old one.
They are about changing production lines to fit new products that are new
and improved and never ending and each improvement will cost more and
more. Everything tom TVs to Cars. In addition the governments disguise
the taxes as environmental service fees. TV, Computer, Phones, and oil
gas and God knows what else. Governments are pandering to the greenies.
The second gamesters are the organic foods crowd. I am not against organic
food but its not going to feed the world and its not subject to real inspections
like most think. The paperwork is inspected not the actual product and that
is on news casts more and more. Organic Food is not about safer food its a
new religion and reason no longer needs to be part of the equation.
Are many greenies hypocrites? Yes. Like most things there are many
sincere people but there are a lot of hypocrites in the greenie games.
 

Cliffy

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Re: Are the people who advocate "going green" today just a bunch of bloody hypocrites

1969 I won a trip to Daytona for the motorcycle races and on to the Bahamas for a little R&R. On the way back we were about 6 miles over the Atlantic and it was so clear we could see the bottom around the islands. When we got to New York, there was a 5 mile high black wall, and from there to Toronto, we could not see anything but dark grey until we had descended a couple of miles. Haven't flown that way since but I wonder with around 4 times more people in New York, if it has improved any since.
 

MapleDog

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Re: Are the people who advocate "going green" today just a bunch of bloody hypocrites

In my opinion its not the global warmin thats the main problem,its all the stuff that is thrown away anywhere,without thinking of the impact of what pollution does.
how many crapple gadgets are thrown away cause the owner want the lates model?
For some items sold there is more packaging than needed,like some video games which come in a plastic CD case,which is wrapped in plastic,then placed in a box "bigger than needed" and wrapped in another plastic,and then we're told we're bad if we take "one" plastic bag at the store,bag which i used to pick up my dogs crap,now i use plastic bread bags to do it.
 
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TenPenny

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In my opinion its not the global warmin thats the main problem,its all the stuff that is thrown away anywhere,without thinking of the impact of what pollution does.
how many crapple gadgets are thrown away cause the owner want the lates model?
For some items sold there is more packaging than needed,like some video games which come in a plastic CD case,which is wrapped in plastic,then placed in a box "bigger than needed" and wrapped in another plastic,and then we're told we're bad if we take "one" plastic bag at the store,bag which i used to pick up my dogs crap,now i use plastic bread bags to do it.


Yes, you have a point - the packaging that stuff comes in is insane, a lot of it is to make the items hard to steal. What a waste of plastic.
 

JLM

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Re: Are the people who advocate "going green" today just a bunch of bloody hypocrites

Interesting, but as Cabbages points out it misses the point and it does contain a few errors. True, there were fewer 300 hp cars, but they got worse gas mileage, polluted more, and had a lifespan of only about three years after which the majority of them were junked. In addition, there was almost no recycling of anything other than glass milk and beverage bottles. True, most bags in stores were of made of paper, which was a great boon to the highly polluting pulp and paper industry. It is also almost certain that the single TV in most homes used as much electricity as four or five modern TVs, and refrigerators of the 1950s and 60s were terribly inefficient by modern standards. Also, I don't know where this person lived, but the escalator and elevator have been around for a century or so and were certainly widely used in many buildings I am familiar with.

This is more a case of selective memory than anything else; remembering the good and ignoring the bad.

I suppose there is validity in both sides of the argument, granted cars are less polluting but we are driving more miles today and own more vehicles to do it. Today T.V. sets are turned on "24-7" in the 50s maybe 3 or 4 hours a day and just one in the house not 2 or 3 plus 2 or 3 computers, monitors etc.
 

MapleDog

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Re: Are the people who advocate "going green" today just a bunch of bloody hypocrites

The green things is the biggest hoax ever done, its worse than snake oil.
The green thing is about money and that is all the green there is. Well
wait, its about brainwashing people into believing the world is going to
overheat, We are in fact at the mercy of people who believe you should
go about in a car the size of a shoe box that cost twice as much. They
believe we should change the light bulbs and pay ten times the old one.
They are about changing production lines to fit new products that are new
and improved and never ending and each improvement will cost more and
more. Everything tom TVs to Cars. In addition the governments disguise
the taxes as environmental service fees. TV, Computer, Phones, and oil
gas and God knows what else. Governments are pandering to the greenies.
The second gamesters are the organic foods crowd. I am not against organic
food but its not going to feed the world and its not subject to real inspections
like most think. The paperwork is inspected not the actual product and that
is on news casts more and more. Organic Food is not about safer food its a
new religion and reason no longer needs to be part of the equation.
Are many greenies hypocrites? Yes. Like most things there are many
sincere people but there are a lot of hypocrites in the greenie games.
Not sure for everything,but back then some items we bought could be repaired/fixed if a piece got broken or stopped working,now everything we buy seems to be made so its impossible to repaix/fix them,so we end throwing them away,are they recycled "i don't know" but in this age of savage economy/consummerism,almost everythin has a preset usable time period (thats what i heard) and when the stop working POOF we have to throw them away "again" are they recycled i don't know,but one thing i know is some companies come up with the latest toy ever 6 months (at least) would be more logical to stick with one for at least 5 freaking years,and when it stop working we could send it back so they "Crapple and co" could do the job of recycling it.

"rant mode off"
 
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Nuggler

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Re: Are the people who advocate "going green" today just a bunch of bloody hypocrites

Not new, JLM, and just as foolish as it was the first time I saw it. What it was like "back in the day" is entirely irrelevant to what needs to be done now. Getting back to that day is part of it: a step on the way.


You really are stupid. A fukking opinionated newbie with a pea sized brain. "back in the day" is entirely irrelevant to what needs to be done now. Getting back to that day is part of it: a step on the way.[/QUOTE"...............WTF does that mean? Learn to write in concise, clear sentences. Most of us had to or we would not have passed grade 5. You obviously haven't and didn't.

We did most of those things, but never considered it "green"

Milkman used to deliver. We set out the empties.
Took back soft drink bottles to the "store", and got 2 cents per. They were in fact refilled back at the bottling plant. It was just what happend. We never thought "green"
Brown paper bags got used for school lunches, and dad's lunch as well.

"Back in the day" wasn't better. It just was.

No one asked for plastic bags. They were probably cheaper than paper at the time, so we gottem when buying groceries and used them. Still do.

Except a lot of us now use big carry bags for groceries, etc. A giant leap for mankind, eh.

Back in the day sucked. No EI. No CPP. No govt. health care. No OAS. If you want to: "Getting back to that day is part of it: a step on the way.[/QUOTE]" .............get back. Feel free.

I've watched you diss people who don't agree with you, and am amazed at the size of someone's balls who comes on as a newbie, has shytey ideas, and gets hissy with folks who don't agree with him. You want to grow up a bit. Experience a bit of life before you get those cast in stone opinions.
 

mentalfloss

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Re: Are the people who advocate "going green" today just a bunch of bloody hypocrites

When you consider how complicated it can be just trying to explain anthropogenic global warming to some people, it's understandable that being environmentally conscious is not something germane to everyone.
 

Kakato

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Re: Are the people who advocate "going green" today just a bunch of bloody hypocrites

When you consider how complicated it can be just trying to explain anthropogenic global warming to some people, it's understandable that being environmentally conscious is not something germane to everyone.
This from someone with no clue.

Life as we know it wouldnt exist with out oil,I dont exactly like the no oil type of a life option.


We will have to drill an extra well here just to make up for all the fossil fuels you have consumed with your myriad of nonsense posts.
 

MapleDog

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Re: Are the people who advocate "going green" today just a bunch of bloody hypocrites

This from someone with no clue.

Life as we know it wouldnt exist with out oil,I dont exactly like the no oil type of a life option.


We will have to drill an extra well here just to make up for all the fossil fuels you have consumed with your myriad of nonsense posts.

How would life not exist without oil,before the industrialisation of the world,people and animal life was there,possibly you meant "without water life would not exist"
 

mentalfloss

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Re: Are the people who advocate "going green" today just a bunch of bloody hypocrites

This from someone with no clue.

Life as we know it wouldnt exist with out oil,I dont exactly like the no oil type of a life option.

I know you're bitter about consistently losing on environmental debates, but the strawman isn't necessary.

I've never said anything about any "no oil" option.
 

TenPenny

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Re: Are the people who advocate "going green" today just a bunch of bloody hypocrites

This from someone with no clue.

Life as we know it wouldnt exist with out oil,I dont exactly like the no oil type of a life option.


We will have to drill an extra well here just to make up for all the fossil fuels you have consumed with your myriad of nonsense posts.

Being environmentally conscious does not mean living without oil.

It's not a black/white situation.