The 11th province?


View Poll Results: Should Canada adopt Turks and Caicos as the 11th Provice
Yes 4 36.36%
No 1 9.09%
Invade it first, then adopt it.. 5 45.45%
Just as a Territory 1 9.09%
Voters: 11. You may not vote on this poll

B00Mer
#1
For some Canadians, the Turks and Caicos Islands are the potential 11th province or 4th territory.



The chain of small islands south of the Bahamas is a British Overseas Territory of about 36,000 people engaged in offshore banking, tourism, fishing and small-scale agriculture. Residents enjoy a modest but decent standard of living on average, and the weather is spectacular.

A recent corruption investigation led the British cabinet to revoke TCI's quasi-independence and directly administer the territory through the governor.

This is leading to charges of renewed colonization from the accused ministers and widespread relief from many residents.

But the biggest unexpected consequence may be another round of examination of Canadian union with this small island chain.

First, a little history.

The idea of annexing Turks and Caicos goes back at least to Robert Borden, who raised the idea at Imperial Conference only to be rebuffed by the mercurial David Lloyd George, the British Prime Minister.

An NDP MP revived the idea in the early 1970s and its been brought forward as a private-members bill in every decade since.

The closest this idea came to reality was the mid-1980s.

The politics of TCI partially revolves around the relationship with Britain, with one party pressing for distance and the other less so. The independence party won office in 1978 and prepared the ground to leave the British realm. An election was held in 1982 that was a virtual referendum on independence, but the pro-independence government was defeated. The new anti-independence regime cast about for how to structure the territory in the aftermath and sent a serious offer to Canada to discuss joining.

The offer could not have come at a less convenient time for Canada, as the free-trade agreement was dominating the time of those who might have entertained such a notion. Instead, the idea was politely ignored. The same cool reaction has been Ottawa's stance since.

The corruption scandal and resulting pause provides Turks and Caicos Islanders a chance to take their history in a dramtic new direction. There is widespread public belief that the status quo is not working and a desire for radical change.

Joining Canada would certainly be a change.

The benefits for TCI residents would be immediate, immense and positive. Transfer payments to this new "have-not" province would boost services from health to education to roads. Defense would not be placed on the narrow tax base of TCI alone (a major factor in its lingering status as a British Overseas Territory.) Local elites would have the control of provincial autonomy with influence in a larger national pool.

But the upside for Canadians takes more unpacking.

Obviously, Canadians are immediately attracted to the dream of a warm Canadian province to visit in the winter. Same currency. No customs. Retirement in a warm place with quality service under the Canada Health Act. A post-911 United States makes it difficult for snowbirds to stay longer than six months resident. Language barriers make many Latin American destinations hard to settle in.

TCI could offer a safe, predictable retirement and vacation destination for Canadians. It is also one that keeps snowbird dollars in our national economy.

But Turks and Caicos would be an uneasy bedfellow for Canadians in some ways. Its residents are typically more socially conservative than the Canadian consensus, for instance firmly against gay marriage or pornography. It would admit another unilingual Anglophone province, something that may raise misgivings in Quebec.

“Immigration” was cited in the past as a potential problem. There is the potential for wide-spread internal movement of these 36,000 new Canadians to the 10 original provinces in search of economic opportunity. While it’s something to monitor, the increased services supported by transfer payments would moderate this trend, as might a winter spent in Winnipeg.

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1979 the idea was floated, latest try was from Member of Parliament for Edmonton East, Peter Goldring, in 2004

www.petergoldring.com/media/S...20Approved.pdf (external - login to view)
 
spaminator
#2
there used to be a website called Canada for a tropical province. cfatp.ca (external - login to view)

Canada buys half of Hawaii

by Sympatico.ca

Canada has just closed a deal to purchase half of the Hawaiian Islands.

The deal is touted as a groundbreaking new way for the US to generate money in order to bounce back from the tough economic times it has seen in the past couple years. Terms of the deal were not fully disclosed, but those familiar with the negotiations put the final price at around $2.3B USD. The purchased land is rumoured to carry the name "Harper Islands"

Talks are currently underway to determine where exactly the border would dissect the islands. Once those details are worked out, each country will build their own immigration and customs offices in order to make travelling through the islands as painful as possible.

John Hennechuk, Canada's chief Island Procurement Officer was excited to have the contract finally signed.

"This is a huge deal for us, and now that we have our own tropical locale, we'll need to shoot new tourism videos and ensure Europeans that our side of Hawaii is American-free."

The deal has left some Americans stunned, while others welcome the sale as a new way to generate income.

"I can't believe it. I live on the land that was sold to the Canadians, does that mean I'm a Canadian now?" asked one local business owner.

"I don't even like Hawaii, it's full of volcanoes and surfers," commented one New Yorker.

With most of the details still uncertain, one very important and dangerous bit of information has recently leaked to the media.



Click here to continue reading this story (external - login to view)
 
damngrumpy
+2
#3
There would be some serious adjustments however in the long run I think it would be a benefit.
Our tourist dollars would stay within the new economic realm and therefore outflow of dollars
would no be as severe. Yes there would be massive improvement to be done on those tiny
islands however there would be a lot of job created for Canadians generally and the population
of the area would grow to pay for it.
In the long run we would have money remaining in Canadian political boundaries instead of the
United States. In addition we could set up a close trading base to do business with other Latin
American Nations including Cuba and therefore we would be a lot better off in the long run.
 
EagleSmack
+1
#4
Empire building eh? Canadian expansionism?

Ahhh what joy it must be for TCI residents... the opportunity to become permanent cabana boys and cocktail waitresses for you folks.
 
B00Mer
#5
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmackView Post

Ahhh what joy it must be for TCI residents... the opportunity to become permanent cabana boys and cocktail waitresses for you folks.

What? What!!

You have a whole country doing your sh!t jobs..

 
EagleSmack
+1
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by B00MerView Post

What? What!!

You have a whole country doing your sh!t jobs..

LOL. Do we ever!
 
WLDB
+1
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmackView Post


Ahhh what joy it must be for TCI residents... the opportunity to become permanent cabana boys and cocktail waitresses for you folks.

Yeah, what Cuba was to the US for 50 years.
 
EagleSmack
#8
Quote: Originally Posted by WLDBView Post

Yeah, what Cuba was to the US for 50 years.

Pretty much what the TCI will become for Canada if this ever happens.
 
Goober
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpyView Post

There would be some serious adjustments however in the long run I think it would be a benefit.
Our tourist dollars would stay within the new economic realm and therefore outflow of dollars
would no be as severe. Yes there would be massive improvement to be done on those tiny
islands however there would be a lot of job created for Canadians generally and the population
of the area would grow to pay for it.
In the long run we would have money remaining in Canadian political boundaries instead of the
United States. In addition we could set up a close trading base to do business with other Latin
American Nations including Cuba and therefore we would be a lot better off in the long run.

There are 3 ways for TCI to come into Canada - as a Province - a Territory or as was mentioned to me as part of Nova Scotia. The last one caught my attention as it is a possibility.

We were there in late jan - early Feb - avg wage is 8 us per hr - well educated population - locals - but they are having an immense problem with illegal immigrants - Mostly from Haiti.

The Police force needed a cleansing and 2 retired RCMP officer are now the Police Chief and Deputy.

Next - Most are not aware that Cuba is having exploration well drilled for oil and gas - The US is inspecting the rigs - many would be surprised about the cooperation - But consider that they are drilling in deep water and Cuba is mindful of the Gulf disaster with BP.

So another possibility is oil and gas in the area.
 
damngrumpy
#10
The other nice thing is that Canada could become a neighbour of Cuba and we could conduct serious
trade with them as well. Oil and Gas, a gateway to the Atlantic. We have annexed some areas before
Newfoundland and even Cape Breton Island which was not always part of Nova Scotia.
We would have a vacation land and they would have an effective police force and medicare. What a
great trade off. Why not.Eaglesmack only Americans and the British go Empire Building Canadians
develop new strategic relationships don't you know the difference.
 
EagleSmack
#11
Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpyView Post

The other nice thing is that Canada could become a neighbour of Cuba and we could conduct serious
trade with them as well. Oil and Gas, a gateway to the Atlantic.

And cigars!

Quote:

We have annexed some areas before
Newfoundland and even Cape Breton Island which was not always part of Nova Scotia.

What expansionists!

Quote:

We would have a vacation land and they would have an effective police force and medicare.

Don't forget the tasers and taxes. TCI inhabitants would love the insane tax rate!

Quote:

Why not.Eaglesmack only Americans and the British go Empire Building Canadians
develop new strategic relationships don't you know the difference.

I told you we are very much alike didn't I?
 
Goober
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmackView Post

And cigars!



What expansionists!



Don't forget the tasers and taxes. TCI inhabitants would love the insane tax rate!



I told you we are very much alike didn't I?

Hate to tell you ES but this is the grand Canadian Plan After TCI - Mexico gets cleaned up - they are next - Then we got ya surrounded.
 
55Mercury
#13
"A recent corruption investigation", eh? Why, they'll fit right in!
 
damngrumpy
#14
EagleSmack actually I don't have too much problem with the Canadian tax rate. yes it is high
but then we have a good social safety net and that accounts for something. We all have a
chance to run for parliament and have a great pension. Our wages are getting a little bit on the
down side so we need more money there but other than that the rate is alright.
 
Goober
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by 55MercuryView Post

"A recent corruption investigation", eh? Why, they'll fit right in!

The investigation is massive - 1 Member from the UK House of Lords, has companies being investigated. And he is a billionaire-
Basically when the Crown is done every member that served as in elected to Govt will be in jail. It was massive.
 
EagleSmack
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpyView Post

EagleSmack actually I don't have too much problem with the Canadian tax rate. yes it is high
but then we have a good social safety net and that accounts for something. We all have a
chance to run for parliament and have a great pension. Our wages are getting a little bit on the
down side so we need more money there but other than that the rate is alright.

Perhaps the TCI inhabitants will like the tax rate too!

Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

Hate to tell you ES but this is the grand Canadian Plan After TCI - Mexico gets cleaned up - they are next - Then we got ya surrounded.

Saaah-weet! It's ALL YOURS!
 
petros
#17
Yaaay. Cheap rum and bananas.
 
damngrumpy
+1
#18
I like rum not so much for bananas though, they could grow on me though if we had a vacation
Isle of our own. We will also get more coverage on wheel of fortune as well with free holiday trips
to tropical Canada.
 
Goober
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Yaaay. Cheap rum and bananas.

Not anymore - Raised their Stamp tax - Duty - 35 % now - US beer - 80 US for a 24 - I drank the local stuff - 2.70 US each - in the fridge - cold & tasty - as I am a tad parsimonious at times.
 
petros
#20
Almost 80 bloody cents for a lb of bananas these days.
 
55Mercury
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Almost 80 bloody cents for a lb of bananas these days.

67 at NoFrills
 
petros
#22
12 more cents for Frills
 
SLM
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

12 more cents for Frills

But who the hell wants frilly bananas?
 
petros
#24
Tarantula free since 1967.
 
SLM
+1
#25
I've yet to find a tarantula in my bananas but I have to admit I've never really looked.

And that's a nice creepy thought right before bedtime.
 
Spade
#26
My uncle was bitten by a tarantula unpacking bananas at a small-town prarie grocery.
 
Goober
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by SLMView Post

I've yet to find a tarantula in my bananas but I have to admit I've never really looked.

And that's a nice creepy thought right before bedtime.

Ya know they head indoors in the winter. Sleep tight now
 
SLM
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

My uncle was bitten by a tarantula unpacking bananas at a small-town prarie grocery.

Oh I've heard the stories of the ones that make the trip along with the cargo. Yikes!

Quote: Originally Posted by GooberView Post

Ya know they head indoors in the winter. Sleep tight now

Lucky for me it +25C here today.
 
Spade
#29
They hide in slippers.
Quick Canadian Fact
When you are asleep, spiders often crawl near your mouth and are often unwittingly ingested.
 
petros
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by SLMView Post

I've yet to find a tarantula in my bananas but I have to admit I've never really looked.

And that's a nice creepy thought right before bedtime.

Don't sleep with bananas
or banana print pjamas
 

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