On first Navy ship home since repeal of gay ban a first kiss


taxslave
#61
Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_oneView Post

I'll re post this for people who believe that gay parents aren't as good as straight parents:

Study: Children of Lesbians May Do Better Than Their Peers
...children in lesbian homes scored higher than kids in straight families on some psychological measures of self-esteem and confidence, did better academically and were less likely to have behavioral problems, such as rule-breaking and aggression...
Read more: Kids with Lesbian Parents May Do Better Than Their Peers - TIME (external - login to view)

Not surprising. Two loving parents of the same sex has got to be better than two of the opposite sex that hate each other.
Over the years I have changed my views on gay adoption. At one time I was against it because of concern about child abuse. As I've gained insight into this it turns out that my views were based on the fact that a lot of what I thought were gays were actually pedophiles. Now that is something we do not want adopting a child. Also we have a friend that after a few failed marriages and 2 kids figured out that she is a lesbian. All is well in her world and her kids (21 & 15) are happy with it.
 
coldstream
+1
#62
Quote:

Study: Children of Lesbians May Do Better Than Their Peers

There's an industry now, well compensated, that puts out rigged studies of the 'superiority' of homosexual lifestyles.. or their 'natural' origins by studying penguins or chickens or something. It's all bogus.

I just think bringing up a child in as disordered, confused and unhappy a home, as homosexual domiciles inevitably are.. is tantamount to child abuse, of a most sinister psychological character.
 
bluebyrd35
#63
Quote: Originally Posted by coldstreamView Post

There's an industry now, well compensated, that puts out rigged studies of the 'superiority' of homosexual lifestyles.. or their 'natural' origins by studying penguins or chickens or something. It's all bogus.

I just think bringing up a child in as disordered, confused and unhappy a home, as homosexual domiciles inevitably are.. is tantamount to child abuse, of a most sinister psychological character.

Well, I know of two gay households and they are not unhappy nor sinister. Let's have the name of a few of the companies in the "industry" you claim exists for whitewashing homosexual lifestyles.
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mentalfloss
#64
Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeperView Post

Here's a stereotype just for you.......

SNL CORK SOAKERS Best of Jimmy Fallon Feat Janet Jackson - YouTube


 
bluebyrd35
#65
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

Yes, for sure, but I wonder if it is straight or gays who yearn for a "Cork sucker"??? Geez, is a blow job done on just gays?? Nah I don't think so. Is it really a big stretch between being given a blow job by a man or woman. Eyes closed I am sure not. It certainly isn't the missionary position, is it??
 
WLDB
+1
#66
Quote: Originally Posted by coldstreamView Post


I just think bringing up a child in as disordered, confused and unhappy a home, as homosexual domiciles inevitably are.. is tantamount to child abuse, of a most sinister psychological character.

I'd say no more likely than with heterosexual parents. My childhood was quite "disordered, confused and unhappy" but I wouldnt say it was child abuse. My parents just shouldnt have been together. If thats child abuse then there are millions of kids being abused right now.
 
coldstream
#67
Quote: Originally Posted by bluebyrd35View Post

Well, I know of two gay households and they are not unhappy nor sinister. Let's have the name of a few of the companies in the "industry" you claim exists for whitewashing homosexual lifestyles.
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We can start with the American Psychiatric Association which until the 1970s listed homosexuality as a treatable pathology.. which it is. But under intense pressure from homosexual lobby, which involves a structure of pseudo pop psychology and political advocacy, of many and varied supporters.. they bent to outright intimidation of being labeled 'sexists, or bigots' and completely capitulated, relabeling it 'normal'.. for something that for at least 2 thousand years has been accepted as intrinsically unnatural, disordered, unhealthy for the individual and society.. and in religious definitions.. an evil.

The result was that treatment programs, which had been very effective when there is a genuine will on the part of the subject to change.. have been reduced to labels of quackery or religious extremism.. leaving the potential patients without avenues to address something that is deeply disorienting and depressing to their self image.

And you likely do not know what is really going on in these households you refer to.
 
bluebyrd35
#68
Quote: Originally Posted by WLDBView Post

I'd say no more likely than with heterosexual parents. My childhood was quite "disordered, confused and unhappy" but I wouldnt say it was child abuse. My parents just shouldnt have been together. If thats child abuse then there are millions of kids being abused right now.

It did one thing for you......realization that it is how two people attempting to form a unit, suceed or fail had nothing to do with the offspring., except that the offspring unfortunately took second place to the ongoing uproar of the couple. That the unit formed by two compatible gays, is as good or better than an heterosexual union in trouble.
 
coldstream
#69
Quote: Originally Posted by WLDBView Post

I'd say no more likely than with heterosexual parents. My childhood was quite "disordered, confused and unhappy" but I wouldnt say it was child abuse. My parents just shouldnt have been together. If thats child abuse then there are millions of kids being abused right now.

Saying that there are other situations that are equally damaging to a child, and i'll concede that point, does not address or in any way re-categorize the issue i was dealing with.. it just obfuscates it.

My point is that human sexuality is so fundamental to the developing identity of children, that imposing a completely artificial and unnatural set of values, so disorients their sensibilities, that it can't help but damage them.

Some will be strong enough to rise above it, many will not.. and perhaps will never be able to form constructive adult relationships that are not based of infantile fixations, extreme narcissism, exploitation or subjection (the currency of homosexuality).
 
DaSleeper
+1
#70
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

Quote: Originally Posted by bluebyrd35View Post

Yes, for sure, but I wonder if it is straight or gays who yearn for a "Cork sucker"??? Geez, is a blow job done on just gays?? Nah I don't think so. Is it really a big stretch between being given a blow job by a man or woman. Eyes closed I am sure not. It certainly isn't the missionary position, is it??

Mentalfloss:....I see you got your own sockpuppet
Even bumping up some of your dormant threads
Last edited by DaSleeper; Dec 28th, 2011 at 02:36 PM..
 
MHz
#71
Is Resolute Bay going to be on their port-of-calls?
 
Ocean Breeze
+2
#72
What exactly is the big deal here??? LIVE and LET LIVE. Is anyone's sexual orientation , anyone's business???

the only time that any thing of a sexual nature is "our business" is when the conduct is abused in a pathological way. ( think kiddie porn, think sports folks with access to the youth , think rape. ( regardless of who is the target ) as it is an act of violence.

For those that go crazy when other orientations demonstrate their affection in public....... let them stop doing the same. Affection is affection and something to be cherished. For those that pass judgement, using the bible or some other belief programming, they might want to examine their own bete noirs. Leave the dang religion out of it. Sex is not a religious issue , it is a human, animal biological issue. Without it , there would be no new generations.

Because of all the biases and "beliefs" that surround the issue , it is little wonder that what is a normal biological aspect of life becomes distorted , confused, and a target for value judgement. When none of that applies

Education and more education is needed as is conscious awareness of all aspects of the issue. Biases are not based on biology , but crazy belief systems. Belief systems which have the underlying factor of male dominance and control.

IF a female had written the bible........things would have been interpreted in a much different way. (so there is a built in bias from the onset ) Applying a male gender to the god factor was done by a man. IF there is a basic energy that is the contributing factor to existence of all aspects of the universe......then that energy has NO GENDER.

We collectively should have grown out of silliness that surrounds these issues as they are all part of the human equation.

Just sayin'
 
earth_as_one
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#73
Quote: Originally Posted by coldstreamView Post

Saying that there are other situations that are equally damaging to a child, and i'll concede that point, does not address or in any way re-categorize the issue i was dealing with.. it just obfuscates it.

My point is that human sexuality is so fundamental to the developing identity of children, that imposing a completely artificial and unnatural set of values, so disorients their sensibilities, that it can't help but damage them.

Some will be strong enough to rise above it, many will not.. and perhaps will never be able to form constructive adult relationships that are not based of infantile fixations, extreme narcissism, exploitation or subjection (the currency of homosexuality).

I respect your right right to live your life the way you want. Why can't you respect the same right for homosexuals?

The studies show that children raised by homosexual parents are normal. Children with lesbian parents tend to do better that children raised by heterosexual parents. Also, these children are no more likely to be homosexuals than children of heterosexual parents.

My problem with your viewpoint is that you feel you have a right to impose your morality on others. You won't be happy until you make people you don't know you and have never done you any harm... miserable.
 
L Gilbert
+3
#74
As far back as we can dig, the ratio of homosexual populations in comparison to hetero populations has been about 14:100. That pretty much indicates it's a natural phenomenon. Besides that, it appears that pretty much ANYTHING involving human behavior is genetic. That's another indication.

Our genes don't change. What changes is the switching on and off of our various genes.

NOVA | What Darwin Never Knew (external - login to view)

A brief overview of Hox genes : Pharyngula (external - login to view)

People (and any other living thing on the planet) are hardwired to be the way they are so get over it and stuff your personal versions of morality. Live and let live.
 
Ocean Breeze
#75
Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_oneView Post

I respect your right right to live your life the way you want. Why can't you respect the same right for homosexuals?

The studies show that children raised by homosexual parents are normal. Children with lesbian parents tend to do better that children raised by heterosexual parents. Also, these children are no more likely to be homosexuals than children of heterosexual parents.

My problem with your viewpoint is that you feel you have a right to impose your morality on others. You won't be happy until you make people you don't know you and have never done you any harm... miserable.

excellent points. But how does one educate a rigid mindset that still believes that the earth is flat?? and that Gender is a choice .

strange how these "choice" folks fail to explain the reasons for such a choice. Why would anyone choose to join a group that is targetted for prejudice, hatred , irrational judgement and all that being a tad different from the so called majority?? It is those that make these claims that are in need of a serious biological class which covers sexual development

Here is another example where irrational "belief" can be very stubborn in refusing to acknowledge data and facts of science and biology. One could go so far as to say they are stuck in an isolated delusional system.....where they are rational in most other areas except for a select few areas that remain unmovable.

The sad thing is that "religion" meddles in biology and other places , where it should totally butt out. Calling folks that are different sinners is as destructive to a developing mind and can be called child mental abuse. as it is just another way "religion" controls its subjects. and makes them believe information that is irrational.
 
L Gilbert
+1
#76
Quite. When one boils it all down, one must eventually realize that there really is no such thing as "choice" or "free will". We are slaves to our genes. Everything we think, feel, say, do, and are is a result of our electro-chemistry.
 
lone wolf
#77
Live and let live is too complicated for some folk....
 
DaSleeper
#78
The politically correct are just as smug and sanctimonious as any bible thumper I've ever seen.
 
Ocean Breeze
+1
#79
Quote: Originally Posted by L GilbertView Post

Quite. When one boils it all down, one must eventually realize that there really is no such thing as "choice" or "free will". We are slaves to our genes. Everything we think, feel, say, do, and are is a result of our electro-chemistry.

Good point. I would use the word Biology , but maybe that is just splitting hairs

If one is a girl........did she CHOOSE to be a girl?? Same with testosterone laden male?? Was that a choice. ?? Of course not. Gay and other orienations are also NOT a CHOICE. They are biological results of the genetic map that happened to apply to the individual.

The thing is that there is no clear male or female either. Each groups has factors that lean towards the other gender in varying degrees.

To repeat......those that make claims of "choice" might want to take a formal Biology , sexual development course. Some of us are fortunate as it was a fundamental componant of our professions.

Education, Education , Education. One has no more "choice " about gender than one has about the pigmentation of his /her skin.

What is hard to believe in what is considered an educated world. that some still make references to "sin" , choice , and other prejudicial basis as their belief systems.

From what I understand: most religions teach humanitarian principles, compassion, and not to judge others......yet many of those that practive these beliefs are the first to not only judge, but ostracize anyone that is "different " Yet it is they that cry fowl should anyone even question their "beliefs"...

go figure.
 
L Gilbert
#80
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean BreezeView Post

Good point. I would use the word Biology , but maybe that is just splitting hairs

Our biology is run by the process of electro-chemical activity.

Quote:

If one is a girl........did she CHOOSE to be a girl?? Same with testosterone laden male?? Was that a choice. ?? Of course not. Gay and other orienations are also NOT a CHOICE. They are biological results of the genetic map that happened to apply to the individual.

The thing is that there is no clear male or female either. Each groups has factors that lean towards the other gender in varying degrees.

To repeat......those that make claims of "choice" might want to take a formal Biology , sexual development course. Some of us are fortunate as it was a fundamental componant of our professions.

Education, Education , Education. One has no more "choice " about gender than one has about the pigmentation of his /her skin.

What is hard to believe in what is considered an educated world. that some still make references to "sin" , choice , and other prejudicial basis as their belief systems.

From what I understand: most religions teach humanitarian principles, compassion, and not to judge others......yet many of those that practive these beliefs are the first to not only judge, but ostracize anyone that is "different " Yet it is they that cry fowl should anyone even question their "beliefs"...

go figure.

Yeah. People can't choose who they are attracted to. We can only "choose" what we can do about an attraction within the parameters our genes give us, and even then it isn't really a choice. Basically, our genes say "jump", "flirt", etc. and we jump, flirt, or whatever.
 

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