Sports in general seems to get a lot of special standing...(probation for double murder charges!) It's hilarious that anyone would think affirmative action shouldn't apply to sports, because that should be merit based, but think that it should apply to other areas like fire departments, university acceptance, etc. I doubt there would be much change in that opinion regardless of the racial make-up of the team in question.
Nice video Karrie!
We need to define what exactly is affirmative action. To help the disadvantaged get an education or become involved in a sport is not the same as giving them a position just because they are disadvantaged.
To me affirmative action would be to help a disadvantaged person get to the point where they could compete on merit for a job or spot on a professional team. Not give them a position because they are disadvantaged or discriminated against.
Exactly, the B.C. Gov't back in the 90s under Glen Clark embarked on a program (I almost puked) where we were supposed to hire visual minorities (Indians, blind, deaf, retarded, crippled) where ever possible and where their qualifications matched the run of the mill contestants they were to take preference. So of course being white, of sound mind and athletic put one at a disadvantage. But then Glen Clark knew no bounds where idiocy was concerned.
I don't go for tokenism. If the person is a best fit for the job, that's the one who should get it. Reverse discrimination is still discrimination.
What Clark was trying to do was even the playing field. Obviously jlm doesn't like that idea. As can be seen by jlm's attitude towards "indians, blind, and tards, it doesn't come down to qualifications in the end. For the minority to get the job, he/she MUST be better qualified all the way around. If it was between 2 with the same qualification, the white male got the job.
90s under Glen Clark embarked on a program (I almost puked) where we were
supposed to hire visual minorities (Indians, blind, deaf, retarded, crippled)
where ever possible and where their qualifications matched the run of the mill
contestants they were to take preference.
What attitude did I express toward "Indians, blind and tards" except to state they are visual minorities?
Personally, I found the video ridiculous. To compare educational affirmative action to sports is dumb. Socioeconomic hardship hasn't EVER been proven to have a link to lowering athletic ability, however, it has been shown to cause academic set backs. But, that being said, I think affirmative action is ridiculous in that it targets race, not socioeconomic background. There are plenty of white people who could use a leg up out of their slums too.
From what I read.... when all things are equal in terms of qualification, you resented the fact that visible minorities would be hired over non-visible minorities. Which means, when all things are equal, you implied that the white male should still be given preference.
(And to other posters who say there are many ties in the job competition process, I say the process is not detailed enough)
If you've never seen the process, how can you come to that conclusion? Where I work, a presentation of your past work in front of the current employees is a standard part of the process, along with a detailed CV, references, etc.
The simple matter of fact is that most candidates will come with similar backgrounds, and similar experiences when applying for the same job. Some candidates might have higher scores in category A than in category B, but still end up tied. As Petros alluded to, then it normally comes down to personality, which is the case for us.
I don't understand, the point I'm trying to make is that traits that don't contribute toward ability to do the job should not be considered. (And to other posters who say there are many ties in the job competition process, I say the process is not detailed enough) It's not like it should be curtailed to 10 questions in an interview.........there's past experience, reports from previous employers, there's examination of products produced, there are generally job evaluation forms submitted on past employment.