Eisenhower on the military industrial complex.

CDNBear

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Now that's old news...but thanx anyways.

He was right and he was most definitely using foresight when he made that.
 

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Why Canada wants to be a part of it in Afghanistan is beyond me. But once you crank up the war machine, it's tough to stop it. In two World Wars in Europe, the war machine worked well. When it expanded its range to Asia, things began to grind down. A draw in Korea, a loss in Vietnam, endless draws in Iraq and Afghan. Afghan has about 9% literacy, war is not going to solve that problem.

I found this cool quote in the book IDEAS THAT CONQUERED THE WORLD by Michael Mandelbaum, on page 17 there is a quote by Stalin in 1952:

"Germans conquered France in 20 days. It's already been two years, and [the] USA has not subdued little Korea. What kind of strength is that? America's primary weapons ... are stockings, cigarettes, and other merchandise. They want to subjugate the world, yet they cannot subdue little Korea."

Just drag out wars, don't win, the journey is the thing. In the new paradigm, any war is victory, peace is defeat. Canada: a shameful partner in the military industrial complex with troops in Afghanistan.
 

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I'm reading an interesting book on the RAND Corporation.

I'd suggest you pick it up.

Edited to add:

Soldiers of Reason: The RAND Corporation and the Rise of the American Empire
 

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I found this cool quote in the book IDEAS THAT CONQUERED THE WORLD by Michael Mandelbaum, on page 17 there is a quote by Stalin in 1952:

"Germans conquered France in 20 days. It's already been two years, and [the] USA has not subdued little Korea. What kind of strength is that? America's primary weapons ... are stockings, cigarettes, and other merchandise. They want to subjugate the world, yet they cannot subdue little Korea."

The US actually subdued little Korea and the N. Koreans very quickly. However the addition of the Chinese Army made things different. He left out that small detail.
 

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The US actually subdued little Korea and the N. Koreans very quickly. However the addition of the Chinese Army made things different. He left out that small detail.

But doesn't a wise strategist anticipate such potential surprises?
 

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But doesn't a wise strategist anticipate such potential surprises?

Not sure how this is relevant.

The accusation (By Stalin no less) was that the US couldn't subdue little Korea. Little Korea was subdued until the Chinese pumped in 500,000 troops. The ChiComs couldn't subdue little Korea either.

Many wise strategist lose battles.
 

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Tomgram: Chalmers Johnson, Teaching Imperialism 101

The RAND Corporation was the ur-think tank, the Cold War granddaddy of them all, and it's still with us. In the 1950s, nuclear war-gaming a conflagration for which the usual war games would have been ludicrous, it took the U.S. military into virtuality and science fiction long before there was an Internet to play with. (And it had a hand in creating the Internet, too!) In the 1960s, it helped several administrations plan and fight the Vietnam War, making antiseptic theory into an all-too-grim reality. And that's just the beginning of the work RAND did on a range of hot-button imperial issues.
For a brief period in the 1960s, Chalmers Johnson was a RAND consultant. Now, the author of the prophetic pre-9/11 book Blowback and, most recently, of Nemesis, The Last Days of the Republic, which every news day seems to make more relevant, turns to the think tank that did it all. Tom

A Litany of Horrors

America's University of Imperialism
By Chalmers Johnson This essay is a review of Soldiers of Reason: The RAND Corporation and the Rise of the American Empire by Alex Abella (Harcourt, 400 pp., $27)
The RAND Corporation of Santa Monica, California, was set up immediately after World War II by the U.S. Army Air Corps (soon to become the U.S. Air Force). The Air Force generals who had the idea were trying to perpetuate the wartime relationship that had
 

TenPenny

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Tomgram: Chalmers Johnson, Teaching Imperialism 101

The RAND Corporation was the ur-think tank, the Cold War granddaddy of them all, and it's still with us. In the 1950s, nuclear war-gaming a conflagration for which the usual war games would have been ludicrous, it took the U.S. military into virtuality and science fiction long before there was an Internet to play with. (And it had a hand in creating the Internet, too!) In the 1960s, it helped several administrations plan and fight the Vietnam War, making antiseptic theory into an all-too-grim reality. And that's just the beginning of the work RAND did on a range of hot-button imperial issues.
For a brief period in the 1960s, Chalmers Johnson was a RAND consultant. Now, the author of the prophetic pre-9/11 book Blowback and, most recently, of Nemesis, The Last Days of the Republic, which every news day seems to make more relevant, turns to the think tank that did it all. Tom

A Litany of Horrors

America's University of Imperialism
By Chalmers Johnson This essay is a review of Soldiers of Reason: The RAND Corporation and the Rise of the American Empire by Alex Abella (Harcourt, 400 pp., $27)
The RAND Corporation of Santa Monica, California, was set up immediately after World War II by the U.S. Army Air Corps (soon to become the U.S. Air Force). The Air Force generals who had the idea were trying to perpetuate the wartime relationship that had

Wow, you know how to google, and cut-and-paste.

We'd give you a blue robin sticker for your efforts, but rewarding individual effort is a sign of a capitalist society.
 
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So I guess it would be out of line to inquire if the book were available at Coles.

I think it would be more in line with your persona to request that the public library buy it and that you borrow it, while petitioning the government to increase taxes and funding for libraries.
 

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Not sure how this is relevant.

The accusation (By Stalin no less) was that the US couldn't subdue little Korea. Little Korea was subdued until the Chinese pumped in 500,000 troops. The ChiComs couldn't subdue little Korea either.

Many wise strategist lose battles.

It's more a philosophy than particular tactics or strategy here, the idea is the military industrial complex/war machine/war party needs war, any war. Every president wants one too. Some haven't seemed to notice is that peace is now more profitable than killing. The Great Depression is over, we don't need to build armaments to get people working. Europe seems to be getting the message.