Executive Member
Posts: 9,207 
January 26th, 2006, 03:23 PM
The six million kind of pales next to these numbers.
WORLD WAR II FATALITIES
World War II was without doubt the costliest war in military history. No truly accurate figures exist and estimates can be only roughly approximated. Somewhere between 15 and 20 million military personnel were killed in action and another 25 to 30 million civilians probably died as a result of the indiscriminate bombings, artillery barrages, and savage fighting.
Military Dead
Among the Allies, the USSR had the heaviest battle casualties, with about 7.5 million dead. China lost 2.2 million combatants; the British about 300,000; the United States 292,000; and France 210,000. A TOTAL of 10.5 million
Among the Axis powers, Germany suffered about 3.5 million battle dead; Japan 1.5 million; and Italy 200,000. A TOTAL of 5.2 million
Civilian Dead
The USSR lost between 10 and 30 million civilians; China at least 6 million; France about 400,000; the United Kingdom 65,000; and the United States 6,000. A TOTAL of 16.5 million
On the Axis side, 500 - 700,000 German civilians were killed; 600 - 700,000 died in Japan; and 150,000 in Italy. A TOTAL of 1.5 million
ESTIMATED TOTAL CASUALTIES = 50 Million plus
The six million kind of pales next to these numbers.
WORLD WAR II FATALITIES
World War II was without doubt the costliest war in military history. No truly accurate figures exist and estimates can be only roughly approximated. Somewhere between 15 and 20 million military personnel were killed in action and another 25 to 30 million civilians probably died as a result of the indiscriminate bombings, artillery barrages, and savage fighting.
Military Dead
Among the Allies, the USSR had the heaviest battle casualties, with about 7.5 million dead. China lost 2.2 million combatants; the British about 300,000; the United States 292,000; and France 210,000. A TOTAL of 10.5 million
Among the Axis powers, Germany suffered about 3.5 million battle dead; Japan 1.5 million; and Italy 200,000. A TOTAL of 5.2 million
Civilian Dead
The USSR lost between 10 and 30 million civilians; China at least 6 million; France about 400,000; the United Kingdom 65,000; and the United States 6,000. A TOTAL of 16.5 million
On the Axis side, 500 - 700,000 German civilians were killed; 600 - 700,000 died in Japan; and 150,000 in Italy. A TOTAL of 1.5 million
ESTIMATED TOTAL CASUALTIES = 50 Million plus
jimmoyer
Posts: 5,005
Location: Winchester Virginia
Location: Winchester Virginia
January 26th, 2006, 04:30 PM
If I can answer for #juan, I think he knows that.
#juan just comparing the 6 million holocaust number
to the number of dead allies and axis power military
and citizens.
There's a sense that the Jews have used the holocaust
to further their aims and that the 6 million holocaust
dead is a smaller number than what some other nations
experienced or non-jews experienced.
But the holocaust was quite an interesting abomination
above and beyond the horrors of war.
If this had happened to the muslims or christians you
would hear the same efforts at ensuring the memory
never fades.
And this wasn't just a genocide like that tried on the
Armenians or on the Kurds or on the Bosnian muslims or on Dafur blacks, this particular genocide had peculiarities like bars of soap
that used to be somebody's great grandfather.
Jewish commercial over.
And now we return you to this thread's presentation
about Erwin Rommel ---- who I believe had a son that
was Mayor until the mid 90s (?) in some West German town.
If I can answer for #juan, I think he knows that.
#juan just comparing the 6 million holocaust number
to the number of dead allies and axis power military
and citizens.
There's a sense that the Jews have used the holocaust
to further their aims and that the 6 million holocaust
dead is a smaller number than what some other nations
experienced or non-jews experienced.
But the holocaust was quite an interesting abomination
above and beyond the horrors of war.
If this had happened to the muslims or christians you
would hear the same efforts at ensuring the memory
never fades.
And this wasn't just a genocide like that tried on the
Armenians or on the Kurds or on the Bosnian muslims or on Dafur blacks, this particular genocide had peculiarities like bars of soap
that used to be somebody's great grandfather.
Jewish commercial over.
And now we return you to this thread's presentation
about Erwin Rommel ---- who I believe had a son that
was Mayor until the mid 90s (?) in some West German town.
Senate Member
Posts: 5,212
Location: Saint John, N.B.
Location: Saint John, N.B.
January 27th, 2006, 12:36 PM
When I was in university one of my Education Profs was German. We had a debate over a history requirement that the Holocaust be taught in European History as a separate section. He could not understand why that genocide was separate and apart from the genocides of Cambodia, or the Armenians of Turkey, or any of the African ones, ad nauseum.
My argument is this: The German genocide of the Jews is much more relevant to us, because the Germans ARE us.
Germany was a modern European, white, industrialized democratic state in 1932, and it descended into a monster state with a coherent process of elimination of a race. If this could happen there, it could happen here, or anywhere in the West.
If this was Cambodia, or Africa, many people would dismiss genocide as "those people do this stuff all the time, it can't be helped".
But the Germans are us.
Don't take it personally, it is not as much a condemnation of specifically German evil as it is a warning of the evil in all of us. No matter how "white" and civilized we are.
Quoting
and consider them as evil. All I ever heard about Germany in secondary school was
6 Million!
6 Million!
6 Million!
6 Million!
6 Million!
6 Million!
Of course, there's a lot more to wwii and German history than that. What a racist education system I went through!
Yeah. Quoting
They don't normally teach German history in Canadian schools. They only thing I learned (even being a German) was to hate Germans
Ah Rommel. I wish I learned more about his tactics in my history course. Alas, we discuss diplomacy foremost and sweep battles and manoevers under the rug.
and consider them as evil. All I ever heard about Germany in secondary school was 6 Million!
6 Million!
6 Million!
6 Million!
6 Million!
6 Million!
Of course, there's a lot more to wwii and German history than that. What a racist education system I went through!
When I was in university one of my Education Profs was German. We had a debate over a history requirement that the Holocaust be taught in European History as a separate section. He could not understand why that genocide was separate and apart from the genocides of Cambodia, or the Armenians of Turkey, or any of the African ones, ad nauseum.
My argument is this: The German genocide of the Jews is much more relevant to us, because the Germans ARE us.
Germany was a modern European, white, industrialized democratic state in 1932, and it descended into a monster state with a coherent process of elimination of a race. If this could happen there, it could happen here, or anywhere in the West.
If this was Cambodia, or Africa, many people would dismiss genocide as "those people do this stuff all the time, it can't be helped".
But the Germans are us.
Don't take it personally, it is not as much a condemnation of specifically German evil as it is a warning of the evil in all of us. No matter how "white" and civilized we are.
Steven Hawking's Tutor
Posts: 4,838
Location: Independent Palestine
Location: Independent Palestine
January 27th, 2006, 04:38 PM
All Genocide should be discussed, not just the Holocaust, it is terrible yes, but the other genocides of the world should not be forgotten.
Just because they were white-people doesn't mean squat. genocide all genocide should be taught and studied so that the point is that everyone is evil or has evil in their hearts and go to extreme lengths to end their obsessions.
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So white people are more civilized then someone else.
When I was in university one of my Education Profs was German. We had a debate over a history requirement that the Holocaust be taught in European History as a separate section. He could not understand why that genocide was separate and apart from the genocides of Cambodia, or the Armenians of Turkey, or any of the African ones, ad nauseum.
My argument is this: The German genocide of the Jews is much more relevant to us, because the Germans ARE us.
Germany was a modern European, white, industrialized democratic state in 1932, and it descended into a monster state with a coherent process of elimination of a race. If this could happen there, it could happen here, or anywhere in the West.
If this was Cambodia, or Africa, many people would dismiss genocide as "those people do this stuff all the time, it can't be helped".
But the Germans are us.
Don't take it personally, it is not as much a condemnation of specifically German evil as it is a warning of the evil in all of us. No matter how "white" and civilized we are.
My argument is this: The German genocide of the Jews is much more relevant to us, because the Germans ARE us.
Germany was a modern European, white, industrialized democratic state in 1932, and it descended into a monster state with a coherent process of elimination of a race. If this could happen there, it could happen here, or anywhere in the West.
If this was Cambodia, or Africa, many people would dismiss genocide as "those people do this stuff all the time, it can't be helped".
But the Germans are us.
Don't take it personally, it is not as much a condemnation of specifically German evil as it is a warning of the evil in all of us. No matter how "white" and civilized we are.
All Genocide should be discussed, not just the Holocaust, it is terrible yes, but the other genocides of the world should not be forgotten.
Just because they were white-people doesn't mean squat. genocide all genocide should be taught and studied so that the point is that everyone is evil or has evil in their hearts and go to extreme lengths to end their obsessions.
Senate Member
Posts: 5,212
Location: Saint John, N.B.
Location: Saint John, N.B.
January 28th, 2006, 06:06 PM
There are lots of people that would tell you such things are impossible in our wonderful, progressive society.
Hogwash.
That is why it is especially important to teach the Holocaust.
The Germans are our reflection in the mirror.
Quoting
All Genocide should be discussed, not just the Holocaust, it is terrible yes, but the other genocides of the world should not be forgotten.
Just because they were white-people doesn't mean squat. genocide all genocide should be taught and studied so that the point is that everyone is evil or has evil in their hearts and go to extreme lengths to end their obsessions.
Exactly my point Jersay, white, civilized people are as apt as any other race to go over the line and engage in mass murder and genocide. Quote:
So white people are more civilized then someone else.
When I was in university one of my Education Profs was German. We had a debate over a history requirement that the Holocaust be taught in European History as a separate section. He could not understand why that genocide was separate and apart from the genocides of Cambodia, or the Armenians of Turkey, or any of the African ones, ad nauseum.
My argument is this: The German genocide of the Jews is much more relevant to us, because the Germans ARE us.
Germany was a modern European, white, industrialized democratic state in 1932, and it descended into a monster state with a coherent process of elimination of a race. If this could happen there, it could happen here, or anywhere in the West.
If this was Cambodia, or Africa, many people would dismiss genocide as "those people do this stuff all the time, it can't be helped".
But the Germans are us.
Don't take it personally, it is not as much a condemnation of specifically German evil as it is a warning of the evil in all of us. No matter how "white" and civilized we are.
My argument is this: The German genocide of the Jews is much more relevant to us, because the Germans ARE us.
Germany was a modern European, white, industrialized democratic state in 1932, and it descended into a monster state with a coherent process of elimination of a race. If this could happen there, it could happen here, or anywhere in the West.
If this was Cambodia, or Africa, many people would dismiss genocide as "those people do this stuff all the time, it can't be helped".
But the Germans are us.
Don't take it personally, it is not as much a condemnation of specifically German evil as it is a warning of the evil in all of us. No matter how "white" and civilized we are.
All Genocide should be discussed, not just the Holocaust, it is terrible yes, but the other genocides of the world should not be forgotten.
Just because they were white-people doesn't mean squat. genocide all genocide should be taught and studied so that the point is that everyone is evil or has evil in their hearts and go to extreme lengths to end their obsessions.
There are lots of people that would tell you such things are impossible in our wonderful, progressive society.
Hogwash.
That is why it is especially important to teach the Holocaust.
The Germans are our reflection in the mirror.
