Could the mystery of the Cochno Stone be solved?

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Hidden within a scrap of woodland on the edge of a Scottish housing estate is one of Europe's most important artworks.

Buried to protect it from vandals, a slab of rock etched with Stone Age carvings is perhaps one the UK's most neglected prehistoric sites.

Yet now, nearly 50 years since it was buried, the 5,000-year-old Cochno Stone is to be re-excavated to allow archaeologists to study it.


Could the mystery of the Cochno Stone be solved? Neolithic carvings found near a Scottish housing estate to be revealed for the first time in 50 years

The Cochno Stone was discovered in 1887 but was buried in 1965 to protect it from damage by vandals
It has remained buried for 50 years on the edge of a tatty council housing estate near Clydebank
High resolution scan will be used to record the surface of the 42 feet long slab of rock before it is reburied
Archaeologists hope to gain new insights into the carvings and perhaps unravel their mysterious meaning


By Richard Gray for MailOnline
7 September 2016

Hidden within a scrap of woodland on the edge of a Scottish housing estate is one of Europe's most important artworks.

Buried to protect it from vandals, a slab of rock etched with Stone Age carvings is perhaps one the UK's most neglected prehistoric sites.

Yet now, nearly 50 years since it was buried, the 5,000-year-old Cochno Stone is to be re-excavated to allow archaeologists to study it.


Archaeologists are re-excavating a stone slab (pictured) that has some of the UK's most important rock art etched into its surface. Known as the Cochno stone, it was buried in 1965 by archaeologists to protect it from vandals

The stone, which measures 42 feet (13m) by 26 feet (8m), is covered in around 90 grooved spirals and indentations known as cup and ring marks.

The petroglyphs also include a ringed cross and a pair of four toed feet.

Researchers are now using cutting edge 3D imaging technology to record the ancient artwork to allow them to study it in more detail.

Dr Kenny Brophy, an urban archaeologist at the University of Glasgow who is leading the excavation, said it could help to shed new light on the markings and who made them.

He said: 'This is the biggest and I would argue one of the most important Neolithic art panels in Europe.

'The cup and ring marks are extensive but the site just happens to be in the middle of an urban housing scheme in Clydebank.

'It was last fully open to the elements and the public up until 1965.

'Sadly as it was neglected it was also being damaged through vandalism and people just traipsing all over it.

'It has been well recorded for archaeological purposes but we now feel the time, and the technology, is right to unearth it and see what new elements we can learn about its history and the people who created it.'

The excavation team will gather high resolution images of the surface of the stone using the same technology used to image Tutankhamun's tomb, revealing evidence of a new chamber.

Once complete the stone will be reburied to keep it safe from harm.


The huge 42 feet long stone slab was first discovered in 1887. It features around 90 cup and ball marks carved into its surface. the pictures above show the marks highlighted using white paint


The meaning of the cup and ring markings in the Cochno Stone (pictured) is still something of a mystery but they appear regularly in Neolithic artworks across Europe


Archaeologists are using high resolution scanning and imaging (pictured) to record the markings on the stone slab before reburying it under the soil to keep it preserved for the future

Discovered in 1887 by the Reverand James Harvey on a section of farmland near Clydebank in West Dunbartonshire, the Cochno Stone caused a sensation when it was unearthed.

It began to suffer vandalism, however, after the local council built the Faifley housing estate on the neighbouring land.

Archaeologists feared the ancient rock carvings would be destroyed as people walked over the rock and added their own carvings to it.


The Cochno Stone sits on the outskirts of a the Faifley council housing estate in West Dunbartonshire. When it was discovered, the area was largely fields, but urban development has left it next to a busy urban park


Archaeologists chose to rebury the stone slab in 1965 after people were found to be walking all over it (pictured) and even vandalising it, damaging the important historic artwork

In 1965 archaeologist Ludovic Maclellan Mann decided to bury it under several feet of soil to protect it from further damage.

The new project will aim to use the high resolution images to unpick which of the carvings were caused by vandals before it was buried and which belong to the original.

Little is known about what cup and ring symbolise, but they are found in many rock art sites around Atlantic Europe.


Sadly visitors to the rock slab damaged it before it was reburied by carving their names (pictured) and other markings into the slab, potentially damaging the ancient rock carvings etched into its surface


Archaeologists studied the markings at the time they were uncovered, but it is hoped new imaging techniques will reveal new insights into how, when and even who made the markings


Scientists believe the carvings (pictured) were made in around 3,000 BC but their meaning is lost in history

Some experts believe they may have been an ancient form of writing or recording events or perhaps a unit of measure.

Others have suggested they may be artworks that symbolise life and death. It is possible the Cochno stone was used in ancient Stone Age ceremonies.

Ferdinand Saumarez Smith, from the Factum Foundation for Digital Technology in Conservation, which is carrying out the imaging, said the images will also be used to create a replica of the stone slab that will go on display.


The current excavation work (pictured) promises to preserve the rock face in a digital form so it can be studied in more detail without risking damage. A replica will also be produced to go on public display


The Cochno Stone (pictured in the 1960s, top) measures 26 feet wide by 42 feet long, making it one of the most significant Neolithic artworks in the country. Alongside the cup and ring marks were crosses in circles and what look like feet (bottom)

He said: 'Factum Foundation captured the world's attention through its 3D scanning work that led to the discovery of evidence of a new chamber in the tomb of Tutankhamun.

'With the Cochno Stone, we are going to use similar recording methods to bring the world's attention to Scotland's equally important, mysterious and beautiful heritage.

'The Cochno Stone was taken away from the people of Clydebank in 1965 because of vandalism.

'We are going to show how digital technology can be used to resurrect this lost monument and give it back to the people it belongs to, because we believe that if we trust people, they will look after it.'


The rock was originally found on a piece of farmland and was surrounded by a low rock wall to protect it (pictured), but this did not stop it from being damaged. Eventually archaeologists decided to rebury it under several feet of soil


The carvings also include some feet with four toes (marked with white paint in the above picture from the 1960s)


Faifley is a large council estate forming part of the town of Clydebank, West Dunbartonshire, adjoining the former village of Hardgate

WHAT ARE CUP AND RING MARKS?


Cup and ring marks in Northumberland

Cup and ring marks are a form of prehistoric art found mainly in Atlantic Europe - Britain, Ireland, Brittany, Portugal and Spain

They consist of a round indentation – the cup – surrounded by a series of concentric circles that look like ripples on water.

The symbols date back to the Neolithic and early Bronze Age but some examples have been found to date from the Iron Age.

Some of the carvings have been found on boulders and outcrops overlooking major routes, hunting grounds or water-holes which has led to suggestions they are perhaps used to mark these spots.

Others have suggested they could be a mark of territorial ownership.

Later examples have been found in association with burial or ceremonial sites, suggesting they may have a sacred importance.



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Maybe they WERE seeing strange electrical activity in the sky. But those look quite a bit different from ordinary cup and ring marks found along Europe's Atlantic seaboard.

Anthony Peratt, a researcher at Los Alamos National Laboratory, has studied the evolution of these instabilities for several decades. One evolutionary sequence is the development of the “warped disk” form, which can involve many variations on the underlying pattern. (See Thunderbolts of the Gods, Chapter One, pages 21ff.) A continuous discharge channel will break up into a string of spherical cells, usually 7 to 9 in number. These cells contract further into toroids (donut-shaped rings)

Anthony Peratt, a researcher at Los Alamos National Laboratory, has studied the evolution of these instabilities for several decades. One evolutionary sequence is the development of the “warped disk” form, which can involve many variations on the underlying pattern. (See Thunderbolts of the Gods, Chapter One, pages 21ff.) A continuous discharge channel will break up into a string of spherical cells, usually 7 to 9 in number. These cells contract further into toroids (donut-shaped rings)


The glyphs depend on the angle of the observer, UK is high north so some of those on your stone look a lot like Peratts stuff.
 

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Anthony Peratt, a researcher at Los Alamos National Laboratory, has studied the evolution of these instabilities for several decades. One evolutionary sequence is the development of the “warped disk” form, which can involve many variations on the underlying pattern. (See Thunderbolts of the Gods, Chapter One, pages 21ff.) A continuous discharge channel will break up into a string of spherical cells, usually 7 to 9 in number. These cells contract further into toroids (donut-shaped rings)




The glyphs depend on the angle of the observer, UK is high north so some of those on your stone look a lot like Peratts stuff.


So what could have caused all this electrical discharge?
 

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They are astronomical, and astrological, navigational, calindrical, and historical, notes
You will note the spirals are fabonacci sequences, and how things relate to the reference grid.

But hey, who am I to spoil so many prominent miss conceptions
“It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.”
Mark Twain

boy, around here that is certainly true
 

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So what could have caused all this electrical discharge?

System instability. Our system is under constant adjustment to accomodate incoming current, sometimes it is very great and besides pushing the weather arround it produces visable atmospheric discharge, especially polar discharge. These plasma discharges have been and continue to be replicated in plasma labs.

Maybe they WERE seeing strange electrical activity in the sky. But those look quite a bit different from ordinary cup and ring marks found along Europe's Atlantic seaboard.

Perrats full catologue numbers in the several hundreds of examples I believe, I do not have access to that material or perhaps we could find very similar renditions. These are with great regularity found universally on this planet. Deviations are accounted for by discharge strength and angle of observation.
 

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System instability. Our system is under constant adjustment to accomodate incoming current, sometimes it is very great and besides pushing the weather arround it produces visable atmospheric discharge, especially polar discharge. These plasma discharges have been and continue to be replicated in plasma labs.



Perrats full catologue numbers in the several hundreds of examples I believe, I do not have access to that material or perhaps we could find very similar renditions. These are with great regularity found universally on this planet. Deviations are accounted for by discharge strength and angle of observation.

We'll have to see what theory these scientists come up with about these rock carvings in West Dunbartonshire after they've studied them in great detail.
 

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We'll have to see what theory these scientists come up with about these rock carvings in West Dunbartonshire after they've studied them in great detail.

They'll come up with the established thinking or they won't be working past presentation and they each and everyone know this or they wouldn't be working now. It will all be religious, period.
 

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They'll come up with the established thinking or they won't be working past presentation and they each and everyone know this or they wouldn't be working now. It will all be religious, period.

More than likely. Maybe they've never even of this fellow's theory. Someone should maybe point it out to them.
 

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It's a map of the universe depicting various galaxies and nebula etc. Or maybe some bore cavemen doodling to pass the time.

Might even be that the ancient inhabitants were just planing on f^cking with us..."hey John, those future guys will spend years trying to give this crap some meaning, LOL"
 

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It's a map of the universe depicting various galaxies and nebula etc. Or maybe some bore cavemen doodling to pass the time.

Might even be that the ancient inhabitants were just planing on f^cking with us..."hey John, those future guys will spend years trying to give this crap some meaning, LOL"

I've often thought that these etchings found throughout Atlantic Europe could just be doodles.

But these were people who didn't have a written language, so if they needed to tell a rival tribe that "This is where our territory begins" they would likely have done so by these strange symbols on rocks.

They could also be the equivalent of ancient road signs, telling travellers where they are, maybe.
 

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THE INFLUENCE OF 56 SYNCHROTRON
RADIATING BIRKELAND FILAMENTS FORMED IN
AN ARCHAIC AURORAL SHEATH ON MAN-MADE
STRUCTURES AND ARTIFACTS FOUND
WORLDWIDE
Alfred H. Qöyawayma,
Life
Member IEEE
Qöyawayma
Ceramics and Epigraphics
Prescott, Arizona 86301
Anthon
y L. Peratt
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Fellow IEEE
Los Alamos National Laboratory
Los Alamos, NM 87545
USA
Previously we reported a correlation between 56 highly
collimated synchrotron light sources from sub
-
gigaampere
auroral currents, as also recorded in intense relativistic particle beams and the dense plasma focus (DPF), to concentric rayed artifacts from antiquity as found in North America1. For example, we overlaid a Mixtec ceremonial shield (chimalli) onto a DPF penumbra. The chimalli consists of 56 pairs of turquoise inlays in a circular wooden frame with 28 outer holes. On Earth, a plethora of 112, 56, and 28
-
rayed
concentric artifacts are found; ampere’s law of attraction
pulling the bright plasma filaments together in two’s and
three’s, with quasi
-
equilibria at 56 and 28
usually ending at 4,
as recorded by mankind. These objects, each with the same
concentric diameter ratios, range in size from centimeter
petroglyphs to large carved granite disks (often thought as
‘calendars’). On a larger scale, megaliths of a hundred me
ters
diameter or more were constructed in the Mesolithic, or in the
third century, as they are concurrently. The transfer of
sacrosanct ‘templates’ through the millennia is discussed.
Left, DPF with 56 radial lines across the 56
-
pair filaments. Center,
Mixtec, 28 outer holes, 56 lines splitting 112 turquoise pieces. Left.
Floorplan of a third century Burma Stupa overlaid with a 56 outer
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hole, horse
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shoe center, Stonehenge plan (white). The Stupa’s 56
outer rectangular pillar edges are seen at the corners
.
1.
A. H. Qöyawayma and A. L. Peratt, ‘An Intense Auroral Z
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Pinch Recorded in Antiquity on Southwestern Artifacts’,
IEEE Conference Record

Abstracts, Traverse City, MI.,
2006.
2.
A. L. Peratt, IEEE Trans.
Plasma Sci. Vol.31, N.6, 2003.
*
University of
Pennsylvania Museum of Archaeology and
Anthropology, Philadelphia PA 19104, USA.
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Count the radians on the rock.

They are astronomical, and astrological, navigational, calindrical, and historical, notes
You will note the spirals are fabonacci sequences, and how things relate to the reference grid.

But hey, who am I to spoil so many prominent miss conceptions
“It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.”
Mark Twain

boy, around here that is certainly true

I agree with you mostly. In the old days these things would come and go in the sky. The radians on the rock might correspond to whats observed in plasma labs. See my previous post.