Has the real birthplace of King Arthur been found?

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A palace has been discovered at Tintagel in Cornwall where King Arthur is believed to have been born.

The palace is believed to have been built in the sixth century - around the time that the king may have lived.

Archaeologists say the building may belong to the rulers of the ancient south-west British kingdom of Dumnonia.


Has the real birthplace of King Arthur been found? Archaeologists unearth Dark Age royal palace - just where legends said he was born - and that had already vanished when they were written down

•Legend has it that Arthur was conceived and born in Tintagel, Cornwall
•Building dates to around 6th century, when he is thought to have lived
•After four days of excavation, glimpses of the stone walls were uncovered
•More than 150 fragments of imported pottery and glass also found on site

By Abigail Beall For Mailonline
3 August 2016

A palace has been discovered at Tintagel in Cornwall where King Arthur is believed to have been born.

The palace is believed to have been built in the sixth century - around the time that the king may have lived.

Archaeologists say the building may belong to the rulers of the ancient south-west British kingdom of Dumnonia.


A palace has been discovered at the site King Arthur is believed to have been born at Tintagel in Cornwall. After just four days of excavation, the first glimpses of the stone walls of a palace have been uncovered

Tintangel Castle is popularly thought to be the legendary birthplace of King Arthur based on the discovery of a slate engraved with 'Artognou' which was found at the site in 1998.

Geophysical surveys carried out earlier this year found the walls and layers of buildings built between the 5th and 7th centuries.

Now new excavations led by Cornwall Archaeological Unit (CAU) are shedding light on how and when the buildings were constructed and what they were used for.

Researchers believe the 3ft (one-metre) thick walls being unearthed are from a palace belonging to the rulers of the ancient south-west British kingdom of Dumnonia.

'The discovery of high-status buildings – potentially a royal palace complex – at Tintagel is transforming our understanding of the site,' said Win Scutt, an English Heritage properties curator covering the West of England.

'It is helping to reveal an intriguing picture of what life was like in a place of such importance in the historically little-known centuries following the collapse of Roman administration in Britain.'

This is the first time substantial buildings from the heart of the Dark Ages have been found in Britain.

This means what the archaeologists have found is of major historical significance – irrespective of the potential connection to King Arthur.


Geophysical surveys carried out earlier this year found the walls and layers of buried buildings built between the 5th and 7th centuries. New excavations led by Cornwall Archaeological Unit (CAU) are shedding light on how and when the buildings were constructed


Researchers believe the 3 feet (one-metre) thick walls being unearthed are from a palace belonging to the rulers of the ancient south-west British kingdom of Dumnonia


More than 150 fragments of pottery and glass which had been imported to the site from exotic locations across the globe showed wealthy people lived there. These include Late-Roman amphorae, fragments of fine glass (left) and a rim of Phocaean red-slip ware (right)


Tintagel castle in Cornwall, location pictured. Geoffrey of Monmouth, a medieval historian, claimed Tintagel was the birthplace of King Arthur in his book 'Historia Regum Britannae' – a history of British monarchs that some have called unreliable

The facts around the real King Arthur are mired in myth and folklore, but historians believe he ruled Britain from the late 5th and early 6th centuries.

Arthur was said to have been conceived at Tintagel as a result of an illicit union between a British King and the beautiful wife of a local ruler.

Geoffrey of Monmouth, a medieval historian, claimed Tintagel was the birthplace of King Arthur in his book 'Historia Regum Britannae' – a history of British monarchs that some have called unreliable.

This book was almost certainly completed by 1138 at a time when the Tintagel promontory, where the new palace has been discovered, was not inhabited.

The medieval castle, that still stands today, was built almost a century later.

Geoffrey of Monmouth’s assertion would likely have had to come from now long-lost earlier legends.


'This is the most significant archaeological project at Tintagel since the 1990s' said English Heritage's Properties Curator for the West, Win Scutt. 'The three week dig this summer is the first step in a five year research programme to answer some key questions about Tintagel'


Ryan Smith pictured digging the Post Roman Wall. The royals who lived in the newly-discovered castle enjoyed a life of wealth and finery

The royals who lived in the newly-discovered castle enjoyed a life of wealth and finery.

More than 150 fragments of pottery and glass which had been imported to the site from exotic locations across the globe showed wealthy people lived there.

These include Late-Roman amphorae, fragments of fine glass, and a rim of Phocaean red-slip ware - the first shard of fine tableware ever discovered on the south side of the island.

Archaeologists found evidence showing they drank wine from Turkey and olive oil from the Greek Aegean, using cups from France and plates made in North Africa.

'This is the most significant archaeological project at Tintagel since the 1990s' said English Heritage's Properties Curator for the West, Win Scutt.

'The three week dig this summer is the first step in a five year research programme to answer some key questions about Tintagel and Cornwall's past.

'We'll be testing the dig sites to plan more advanced excavations next year, getting a much clearer picture of the footprint of early medieval buildings on the island, and gathering samples for analysis.

'It's when these samples are studied in the laboratory that the fun really starts, and we'll begin to unearth Tintagel's secrets.'

TINTAGEL CASTLE: STEEPED IN LEGENDS OF MYTH AND MAGIC


The name Tintagel comes from the Cornish Dintagel, meaning "fort of the constriction", referring to Tintagel Island, which is actually a small peninsula

Tintagel Castle is a medieval fortification located on the peninsula of Tintagel Island, close to the village of Tintagel in Cornwall, England.

The castle has a long association with the Arthurian legends, going back to the 12th century.

In the Historia Regum Britanniae, a fictional account of British history written by Geoffrey of Monmouth, Tintagel is described as the place where Arthur was conceived.

According to the tale, Arthur's father, King Uther Pendragon, was disguised by Merlin's sorcery to look like Gorlois, Duke of Cornwall and the husband of Ygerna, Arthur's mother.

The book was extremely popular and other Arthurian tales were produced in the late medieval period which claimed the king was actually born at Tintagel. Merlin the magician was also said to live below the castle in a cave.

In his Idylls of the King, Lord Alfred Tennyson also refers to the links between Tintagel and Arthur.

Despite these literary connections, no archaeologist has been able to find proof at the site that King Arthur existed or that the castle was linked to the legendary king.

The archaeologist C A Ralegh Radford declared in 1935 that: 'No evidence whatsoever has been found to support the legendary connection of the Castle with King Arthur'.

Many historians believe King Arthur was a completely mythical character, but others disagree, saying he may be based upon a British leader in the fifth century.

In the 13th century, during the later medieval period, a castle was built on the site by Richard, Earl of Cornwall, which later fell into disrepair and ruin.

Archaeologists in the 19th Century took interest in the site as it became a tourist attraction, with visitors coming to see the ruins of Richard's castle.

Excavations in 1998 unearthed pottery from the 5th and 6th centuries at Tintagel Castle.

Today Tintagel Castle is a popular tourist destination managed by English Heritage.


WHO WAS KING ARTHUR?


An illustration of King Arthur is pictured above

The facts around the real King Arthur are mired in myth and folklore, but historians believe he ruled Britain from the late 5th and early 6th centuries.

What is known is that during his reign as king he had to defend the land against Saxon invaders.

He first appears in historical documents from the early 9th century, but much of what we know of the legendary king comes from the writings of Geoffrey Monmouth, who penned his history of Arthur in the 1100s.

Links with the Holy Grail first appear in French accounts of the king, written circa 1180.

Many historians agree that while the king was a genuine historical figure in early Britain, he could in fact be a composite of multiple people from an age of poor record keeping.

Source: History.co.uk


DID THE LEGENDARY KING ARTHUR REALLY EXIST?

Both the Historia Brittonum (History of the Britons) and Annales Cambriae (Welsh Annals), state that Arthur was a genuine historical figure, a Romano-British leader who fought against the invading Anglo-Saxons in the late 5th to early 6th century.

The 9th Century Historia Brittonum lists 12 battles that King Arthur fought, including the Battle of Mons Badonicus, where he is said to have killed 960 men - but some scholars have dismissed the reliability of this text.

Tintangel Castle is popularly thought to be the legendary birthplace of King Arthur based on the discovery of a slate engraved with 'Artognou' which was found at the site in 1998.

Silchester was the site of King Arthur's coronation and was able to continuously defend itself against the Saxons.


Clive Owen portrayed the legendary leader in the 2004 film, King Arthur, but whether he really existed is still a matter of debate among historians

The Roman name for Silchester was Calleba – similar to the name given to Arthur's sword, Excalibur.

One of Arthur's celebrated battles against the Saxons was fought at Chester or the City of the Legion, as it was known in the Dark Ages.

Archaeologists have discovered evidence of battle at nearby Heronbridge, and recent excavations show the amphitheatre was fortified during this period, with a shrine to a Christian martyr at its centre.

This fits a description of Arthur's Round Table, which was said to be a very large structure, seating 1,600 of his warriors.

During the 1960s, excavations by Philip Rahtz showed someone had inhabited the top of Glastonbury Tor during the so-called Arthurian period.

According to the legends, this could have been King Meluas, who abducted Queen Guinevere to his castle at Glastonbury, or Arthur's warrior Gwynn ap Nudd, who was banished from his Palace on the Tor.

In 1191, monks at Glastonbury Abbey found the body of a gigantic man, wounded several times in the head. The bones of his wife and a tress of her golden hair were also in the oak coffin.

Found with the burial was an ancient lead cross, inscribed with 'Here lies buried the famous king Arthur with Guinevere his second wife, in the Isle of Avalon'.

In 1962, archaeological evidence was found supporting the story that a tomb within the ancient church had been disturbed centuries previously.

The whereabouts of the cross and bones are no longer known.

However, Arthur is not mentioned in the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle or any documents written between 400 and 820 - including Bede's Ecclesiastical History of the English People.


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Danbones

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you might want to look up the relationship between the word Tin and Tintagel
but then if you get that, then you'll have to rewrite your whole anciant Briish history.
which you should
x caliber is the working celtic cross
which when used with the right math turns the 360 dgrees of the cross into decimals
X or CHI is the cross
.00 or CALIBER.
get it? X caliber?

if you know the relationship of peter the rock to the celtic cross then you can pull the sword from the stone
which I can do

lol
the 12 knights are the damned zodiac
duh

as far as the crack at Canadian Archealogy:
at least SOME us Canadian Archaeologists know what the Fick is going on
 

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you might want to look up the relationship between the word Tin and Tintagel
but then if you get that, then you'll have to rewrite your whole anciant Briish history.
which you should
x caliber is the working celtic cross
which when used with the right math turns the 360 dgrees of the cross into decimals
X or CHI is the cross
.00 or CALIBER.
get it? X caliber?

if you know the relationship of peter the rock to the celtic cross then you can pull the sword from the stone
which I can do

lol
the 12 knights are the damned zodiac
duh

as far as the crack at Canadian Archealogy:
at least SOME us Canadian Archaeologists know what the Fick is going on

The name Tintagel comes from the Cornish Dintagel, meaning "fort of the constriction", referring to Tintagel Island, which is actually a small peninsula.
 

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Arthur and Jesus are regional players in the universal messianic mythologies.

lol
you might want to look up the relationship between the word Tin and Tintagel
but then if you get that, then you'll have to rewrite your whole anciant Briish history.
which you should
x caliber is the working celtic cross
which when used with the right math turns the 360 dgrees of the cross into decimals
X or CHI is the cross
.00 or CALIBER.
get it? X caliber?

if you know the relationship of peter the rock to the celtic cross then you can pull the sword from the stone
which I can do

lol
the 12 knights are the damned zodiac
duh

as far as the crack at Canadian Archealogy:
at least SOME us Canadian Archaeologists know what the Fick is going on

More about the tin please. I bean looking for the early stuff cuz of bronze weaponry. I know there was early tin trade in Wales but little else.
 

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Arthur and Jesus are regional players in the universal messianic mythologies.

More about the tin please. I bean looking for the early stuff cuz of bronze weaponry. I know there was early tin trade in Wales but little else.

The Cornish landscape is dotted with long-abandoned tin mines.





The Ancient Greeks called Britain the "Cassiterides" - the Tin Isles.
 

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The Cornish landscape is dotted with long-abandoned tin mines.





The Ancient Greeks called Britain the "Cassiterides" - the Tin Isles.

Thanks Blackleaf I knew that what I want to know is the when and who about bronze because we could not have had a bronze age without bronze. I know about the arsenic but the tin made good grade bronze weapons I think.

9. TIN, COPPER, BRONZE.
It is well known that the manufacture of tin is more complex than that of copper. That is why bronze, as alloy of copper and tin, must have appeared LATER than the invention of tin. In the Scaligerian history the situation is a completely the reverse. At first, allegedly, there was the invention of bronze. That is how the Bronze Age 'came about'. And supposedly only later tin, which is much more complex to produce, was invented. A contradiction occurred in the Scaligerian history. As a result, the 'ancient' Greek heroes strike each other with bronze swords, the production of which would require the 'yet to be invented' tin. The present day chemists are certainly surprised by such Scaligerian fantasies and are sincerely trying to guess the reasons for such oddities. In fact, the bronze century falls within the epoch of the XIV-XVI cc., when the production of tin was already invented. Certainly, after copper [1v], ch.1.



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Thanks Blackleaf I knew that what I want to know is the when and who about bronze because we could not have had a bronze age without bronze. I know about the arsenic but the tin made good grade bronze weapons I think.

9. TIN, COPPER, BRONZE.
It is well known that the manufacture of tin is more complex than that of copper. That is why bronze, as alloy of copper and tin, must have appeared LATER than the invention of tin. In the Scaligerian history the situation is a completely the reverse. At first, allegedly, there was the invention of bronze. That is how the Bronze Age 'came about'. And supposedly only later tin, which is much more complex to produce, was invented. A contradiction occurred in the Scaligerian history. As a result, the 'ancient' Greek heroes strike each other with bronze swords, the production of which would require the 'yet to be invented' tin. The present day chemists are certainly surprised by such Scaligerian fantasies and are sincerely trying to guess the reasons for such oddities. In fact, the bronze century falls within the epoch of the XIV-XVI cc., when the production of tin was already invented. Certainly, after copper [1v], ch.1.



AT Fomenko

According to Wikipedia:

The discovery of bronze enabled people to create metal objects which were harder and more durable than previously possible. Bronze tools, weapons, armor, and building materials such as decorative tiles were harder and more durable than their stone and copper ("Chalcolithic") predecessors. Initially, bronze was made out of copper and arsenic, forming arsenic bronze, or from naturally or artificially mixed ores of copper and arsenic,[6] with the earliest artefacts so far known coming from the Iranian plateau in the 5th millennium BCE.[7] It was only later that tin was used, becoming the major non-copper ingredient of bronze in the late 3rd millennium BC.[8]

Tin bronze was superior to arsenic bronze in that the alloying process could be more easily controlled, and the resulting alloy was stronger and easier to cast. Also, unlike arsenic, metallic tin and fumes from tin refining are not toxic. The earliest tin-alloy bronze dates to 4500 BCE in a Vinča culture site in Pločnik (Serbia).[9] Other early examples date to the late 4th millennium BC in Africa,[10] Susa (Iran) and some ancient sites in China, Luristan (Iran) and Mesopotamia (Iraq).[citation needed]

Ores of copper and the far rarer tin are not often found together (exceptions include one ancient site in Thailand and one in Iran), so serious bronze work has always involved trade. Tin sources and trade in ancient times had a major influence on the development of cultures. In Europe, a major source of tin was England's deposits of ore in Cornwall, which were traded as far as Phoenicia in the Eastern Mediterranean.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronze#History
 

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I like how the Brits try so hard to justify their belief in myths. And Arthur was a myth, just like Robin Hood.
 

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I keep hearing Arthur is a synthesis of various legends and heroes in Britain, associated with the retreat of the Romans, and the invasion of Angles and Saxons. They are interwoven with both Christian and Druid mythologies. There might never have been an Arthur.. certainly no Guinevere, Lancelot, Galahad, Merlin and Excalibur.
 
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I keep hearing Arthur is a synthesis of various legends and heros in Britain, associated with the retreatl of the Romans, and invasion of Angles and Saxons. They are interwoven with both Christian and Druid mythologies. There might never have been an Arthur.. certainly no Guinevere, Lancelot, Galahad, Merlin and Excalibur.
Sound like anyone else you can think of.?
 

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Who cares where old Art took his dirt nap Darkbungchute that grant money could have been used for better thing shame on those Limeys.

I certainly don't care where the myth might be burried. However a little bit of money spent on perpetuation of heartwarming stories from the distant past keeps many otherwise intelligent people away from digging up other things not so mythylogical.