You don't have to be a historian to know 1815 is an almighty milestone

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Thursday 18th June 2015 marks the 200th anniversary of the Battle of Waterloo, during which the British, Dutch and Germans defeated Old Boney's French forces. The French defeat led to Napoleon's abdication as French emperor, his surrender to the British and his eventual death in British custody on the British island of St Helena in 1821. Peace once again returned to Europe and Britain cemented her place as the world's global superpower.

Now an eminent consortium of academics and military experts are putting together an impressive series of anniversary projects for next year. Events are to take place all over Britain and there will be a service at St Paul's Cathedral. Six thousands re-enactors will re-stage the battle.

And yet, unfortunately, there is a danger that the Left will ruin it. Britain's Left-wing education establishment doesn't want to know and is unwilling to focus on the 18th June 1815 in schools, with one of Education Secretary Nicky Morgan's officials saying she has "no room in her diary" to meet with members of the Waterloo 200 charity.

No doubt if this was about, say, global warming or transgender issues, officials would be falling over themselves to offer advice and outreach programmes. But a landmark in British history? Straight in the bin faster than you can say ‘National Union of Teachers’.

There is a danger that the Left will wreck the 200th anniversary of the Battle of Waterloo in the same way they wrecked the 200th anniversary of the Battle of Trafalgar. Famously, Britain’s grand re-enactment of the battle in 2005 did not involve British or French forces as was originally planned. The re-enactors were forced to call themselves the "blue" fleet and the "red" fleet to avoid "offending" the French
. Now there are already reports that next year’s restaging of Waterloo on the actual battlefield, with more than 6,000 re-enactors, will involve a French "win" on one day and an allied victory the next.



ROBERT HARDMAN: You don't have to be a historian to know 1815 is an almighty milestone

June 18 next year will be the 200th anniversary of the Battle of Waterloo
Battle removed Napoleon from stage and helped reshape the world
But educational establishment unwilling to focus on the date in schools

And Education Secretary Nicky Morgan couldn't spare time to hear initiative


By Robert Hardman for the Daily Mail
15 December 2014
Daily Mail

No one paid much attention to the centenary of this titanic struggle. Given that in 1915 all the main parties were preoccupied with the Great War, it was an understandable oversight.

One century further on, and we have no excuse this time. So why is our educational establishment not merely playing down the 200th anniversary of the Battle of Waterloo, but ignoring it altogether?

You do not have to be an old soldier or a historian to regard 1815 as one of history’s almighty milestones.

The removal of Napoleon from the stage helped to redraw the map of Europe and, indeed, the world.


Historical turning point: After her victory over France at the Battle of Waterloo, Britain would go on to consolidate her position as the world's superpower and create the modern world

Not only was there sustained peace after more than 20 years of war, but the British Empire would expand and consolidate its position as the globe’s pre-eminent superpower.

Whether you regard that as a good thing, a mixed result or a downright abomination, it still accounts for the fact that, to this day, most of the world speaks English.

But this was also, emphatically, a multi-national victory; British troops were actually outnumbered by their Dutch and German allies, so much so that Field Marshal Lord Bramall has called Waterloo ‘the first Nato operation’.

An eminent consortium of academics and military experts are now putting together an impressive series of anniversary projects for next year. And this is certainly not some triumphalist dig at the French.

Rather, it is all about teaching future generations to understand the importance of a battle which, as a turning point, was as fundamental as the defeat of Hitler.

And the response of our educational establishment? Sorry, but we’re too busy.


History enthusiasts gathered in in Plancenoit, just south of Brussels, in 2005 to reenact the famous battle on its 190th anniversary

June 18 next year will see St Paul’s Cathedral packed to the rafters. It has been booked by Waterloo 200, the charity dedicated to marking the anniversary.

The great and good will be invited, of course, but so, too, will more than a thousand members of the public, particularly children from any town or village that can unearth a Waterloo connection.

For the main point of the charity is to engage schools all over Britain – and Ireland.

‘We really want to get schools everywhere, particularly state schools, learning about this historical watershed,’ says a spokesman for the charity. While Waterloo 200 boasts some illustrious backers, not to mention the current Duke of Wellington and his family, it has a dedicated educational arm.

A committee of experienced teachers from across the academic spectrum have drawn up a full range of educational tools and resources. And very impressive it is, too.

Some 200 historical items connected to the battle – from swords to medical kits – will be distributed among schools for study and discussion. Special packs for every age range have been designed and will be freely available to any teacher.


June 18 next year will see St Paul’s Cathedral packed to the rafters. It has been booked by Waterloo 200, the charity dedicated to marking the anniversary

As the charity prepares to put all this on a dedicated website, created with support from the Heritage Lottery Fund, the organisers are understandably keen to ensure that schools across the country know about all this freely available material.

Hence their astonishment after writing to the Department for Education to seek a meeting with the Secretary of State, Nicky Morgan, or one of her officials to discuss it all. Back came a short letter saying that Mrs Morgan and her staff had ‘no room in the diary’.

When I call her department, a spokesman refers all questions to the Department for Culture, through which Waterloo 200 received the Lottery support for its website. So there we have it. A great big – and free – educational opportunity is served up on a plate and the commissars in charge of education will not even discuss it.


Next year’s restaging of Waterloo on the actual battlefield is set to feature more than 6,000 re-enactors

No doubt if this was about, say, global warming or transgender issues, officials would be falling over themselves to offer advice and outreach programmes. But a landmark in British history? Straight in the bin faster than you can say ‘National Union of Teachers’.

I just wonder whether Mrs Morgan ever knew about the charity’s request in the first place.

The Waterloo 200 organisers are clearly disappointed. ‘I just hope we can find other ways of ensuring that history teachers know what is available,’ says its chairman, Major General Sir Evelyn Webb-Carter.

Among some historians, there is disbelief. Speaking from Paris, having just received the Grand Prix from France’s Fondation Napoleon for his new biography of the ex-emperor, the historian Andrew Roberts is dumbfounded.

‘This is a magnificent opportunity to educate young people about one of the most important episodes in our history, and yet our educators are not being told about it?’ he asks.


Nicky Morgan and her staff had ‘no room in the diary’ for a meeting with Waterloo 200, the charity dedicated to marking the anniversary. No doubt if this was about, say, global warming or transgender issues, officials would be falling over themselves to offer advice and outreach programmes. But a landmark in British history? Straight in the bin faster than you can say ‘National Union of Teachers’.

Waterloo certainly has some heavyweight backers in the Cabinet, not least the Chancellor. Last year, George Osborne, a keen student of military history, announced that the Treasury would provide £1million toward the renovation of the farm at Hougoumont – a central feature of the entire battle.

The Waterloo 200 organisers are not asking for major funding or even a state occasion. They are doing it themselves. All they want is a little help. This official response surely goes deeper.

Is it not typical of the same pusillanimous mindset that led to the bicentenary commemorations of the Battle of Trafalgar being rewritten to avoid "offending" the French?

Famously, Britain’s grand re-enactment of the battle in 2005 did not involve British or French forces, but a ‘blue’ fleet and a ‘red’ fleet.

There are already reports that next year’s restaging of Waterloo on the actual battlefield, with more than 6,000 re-enactors, will involve a French ‘win’ on one day and an allied victory the next. Not exactly, says organiser, Etienne Claude.

‘One day will focus on the French cavalry and one day will focus on the allied infantry,’ he explains. ‘And a lot of it will be about life among the bivouacs and so on.’

In other words, there will be no great winners or losers – although the Germans are said to be very excited about it.

At long last, they can look forward to a major European military anniversary where they are cast as the good guys.
 
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It's the last one that they won on their own

Well not quite. The Prussians played a larger role in the victory at Waterloo. The Brits and their allies sat on their butts in line and in square until the Prussians arrived on the field and smashed into the French right.

 

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"...Nicky Morgan and her staff had ‘no room in the diary’ for a meeting with Waterloo 200, the charity dedicated to marking the anniversary..."

Tell Nicky there will also be a reenactment of the Zulu victory at the Battle of Isandlwana over the British and she'll be happy to fully cooperate.
 

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After her victory over France at the Battle of Waterloo, Britain would go on to consolidate her position as the world's superpower and create the modern world

This admission will go far to convict you at the World Court. The winners at Waterloo were the Rothchilds. They've owned that dirty little island ever since.
 

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After her victory over France at the Battle of Waterloo, Britain would go on to consolidate her position as the world's superpower and create the modern world

This admission will go far to convict you at the World Court. The winners at Waterloo were the Rothchilds. They've owned that dirty little island ever since.
An anti-Semite, eh?
 

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I can't help but wonder what would have happened if Napoleon had won. The British Empire would likely have fallen MUCH sooner than it did.

I have read the history of what happened before, during and after that war. Other than the fact that he wanted to conquer Europe, he really wasn't all that bad. He certainly did not want to wipe out the local cultures, etc., he didn't want to exterminate any group of people, he just wanted to do what the British had already done all over the world.

But then, he ran up against that fatal flaw. France has not won ANY war (at least without a LOT of help) since the 15th Century.
 

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It's the last one that they won on their own


The Falklands War, 1982.

Well not quite. The Prussians played a larger role in the victory at Waterloo. The Brits and their allies sat on their butts in line and in square until the Prussians arrived on the field and smashed into the French right.


The British won Waterloo, not the Prussians.

The Prussians turned up late for proceedings (like the Yanks are good at doing) and stopped Napoleon from getting away but it was the British who won the Battle of Waterloo. The British resisted the French throughout the whole period of time before the Prussians turned up. Wellington's men successfully fended off waves of French attacks and held their ground. When the Prussians arrived Napoleon dared another attack on Wellington's troop, which resisted once more. Even when the Prussians arrived they had only one corp on the field and their other three corps were too spread out to have any bearing on the situation.

Historians are generally of the opinion that Wellington's forces were at the point of bringing matters to a successful conclusion and that Blucher's arrival on the field at that point was coincidental.

I can't help but wonder what would have happened if Napoleon had won. The British Empire would likely have fallen MUCH sooner than it did.

I have read the history of what happened before, during and after that war. Other than the fact that he wanted to conquer Europe, he really wasn't all that bad. He certainly did not want to wipe out the local cultures, etc., he didn't want to exterminate any group of people, he just wanted to do what the British had already done all over the world.

But then, he ran up against that fatal flaw. France has not won ANY war (at least without a LOT of help) since the 15th Century.


Didn't the French have a huge global empire themselves? Don't use "Napoleon wanted an empire like the British did" as some sort of excuse for Napoleon's actions. France was the second global power after Britain.

Also, Britain's colonies were mainly sparsely-populated New World colonies like North America and Australasia or poor, lawless tribal area.

France, on the other hand, was (like Germany later on) invading ancient European kingdoms that cherished their sovereignties and independent status.

Old Boney also brought back slavery, of course.


 
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The Falklands War, 1982.


Foreign fighters and the US assisted the Brits. Without them you lose.




The British won Waterloo, not the Prussians.


"Give me night... or give me Blucher"- The Duke of Wellington at Waterloo


That's right. That is what he said. The English stood in line or in square throughout the whole battle until the Prussians arrived and started caving in the French flank.


They were late because they were fighting the French elsewhere while the British were in full retreat.


Even on the British lines the true heroes were the Belgians and the other allied armies.


The Prince of Orange and Blucher were the ones that won Waterloo.




 

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Foreign fighters

Yeah? Like who?


and the US assisted the Brits.

No, they didn't. Reagan, you may recall, was the guy who wanted Britain to surrender to the Argies and let them have the islands. Thatcher told him to piss off in a row over the phone.


"Give me night... or give me Blucher"- The Duke of Wellington at Waterloo

There is no evidence whatsoever that Wellington said that. Although trust you to believe in mythology.


The English stood in line or in square throughout the whole battle until the Prussians arrived and started caving in the French flank.

The British (not just the English) held firm against the French, resisting wave after wave of Frog attacks. It could well be the case that Wellington's troops were at their high point and were about to finish off Boney's men when Blucher's lot belatedly arrived.


They were late because they were fighting the French elsewhere

The Prussians were defeated by the French at the Battle of Ligny two days before. The Prussians retreated. On the same day as that battle, the British defeated the French in the Battle of Quatre Bras.

while the British were in full retreat.

No they bloody weren't.

Even on the British lines the true heroes were the Belgians and the other allied armies.

The Prince of Orange and Blucher were the ones that won Waterloo.

It was Wellington who won Waterloo.


The Dutch Belgians in the British ranks wouldn't have won anything had they not had Wellington leading them.


Of the two generals of the Coalition it was Wellington who chose the field and it was Wellington who conducted the vast majority of the fighting. It was Wellington and his men who held back the French and held back wave after wave of French attacks before Blucher's men showed up.

Without Wellington, there would have been a Frog victory at Waterloo.



















 
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All by his lonesome. One man against thousands of Frogs.
That's Blackleaf's history.

That's history and that's the way it was. When it comes to skewing history the Yanks are the World Champions at it. You only have to watch a Hollywood war film to be told that the Americans singlehandedly won WWII.

Wellington was a genius of a general and it was his decisions and his leadership which won Waterloo. Of the two generals of the Coalition it was Wellington who chose the field (Blucher and the Prussians were still recovering from their defeat and retreat at Ligny) and it was Wellington and the British, not Blucher and the Prussians, who conducted the vast majority of the fighting. It was Wellington and his men who held back the French, resisting wave after wave of French attacks, before Blucher's men showed up.





 

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How many English soldiers fought at Waterloo? The entire British contingent, which would have had Irish soldiers as well, was 25,000 - a modest contribution to the Coalition forces. The battle itself was small, much smaller than Leipzig or the great contests of the Russian campaign. Although it happened to be Napoleon's last stand but he was definitely on the run at that stage and would have had to surrender in short order. Edward Luttwak had a good article on this recently:

Edward Luttwak reviews ‘Britain against Napoleon’ by Roger Knight · LRB 18 December 2014

The geographic reality of being a great land power - bordering nations will tend to side with the enemy. The Germans and Russians found this out as well. The decisive event in the Napoleonic era was the invasion of Russia and its aftermath. Borodino and Leipzig are the real Waterloos.

I'm surprised to see how positively Napoleon seems to be portrayed in Roberts' new biography. In the anglosphere, he has become a bit of a bogeyman for narrow nationalistic reasons. People forget how much he accomplished off the battlefield.

Like Scipio, his fame rests on defeating a greater man.
 

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How many English soldiers fought at Waterloo?

I don't know the exact figure. Do you know?

What we DO know, however, is that at some point after the battle Old Boney said
he lost Waterloo because of the "obstinate bravery of the English troops."


which would have had Irish soldiers as well

Hardly unusual, considering the whole of the island of Ireland was part of the UK at that time.

was 25,000 - a modest contribution to the Coalition forces. The battle itself was small, much smaller than Leipzig or the great contests of the Russian campaign.

The size of the battle is unimportant. The fact of the matter is that Boney's defeat in the battle ended his rule as Emperor of the French and marked the end of his Hundred Days return from exile.


After the battle Napoleon fled to Paris, where he found the parliament unwilling to give him further support. Finally, he surrendered to the captain of a British warship, HMS Bellerophon, and was sent to his second exile, this time on the British island of St. Helena (which is now part of the British Overseas Territory of Saint Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha), in the south Atlantic, where he busied himself with writing his memoirs and giving his own version of his triumphs and ultimate defeat. He died in the year 1821. Many experts today are of the opinion that the green wallpaper in his room may have led to his demise. Green furnishings, such as green wallpaper, were popular with the British throughout the 19th Century and that green colouring contained arsenic. Napoleon may have been killed by unintentionally aborbing some of the arsenic in the green wallpaper.

(Talking of Ascension, the treatment of the British citizens who inhabit that island by the American military based there is disgusting and I'm shocked that the British Government has not stepped in to do something about it).
 
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It was, perhaps, Britain’s greatest military victory – the ferocious confrontation that finally ended the tyrannical reign of Napoleon Bonaparte.

Yet 200 years after the Battle of Waterloo, astonishingly there is still no memorial on the site to commemorate the remarkable bravery of the British troops who fought and died there – although there is a memorial to the defeated French.

Now that injustice is finally about to be righted. A monument designed by sculptress Vivien Mallock will be opened on the battlefield in Belgium next year.

The work will feature two British soldiers and quotes from the Duke of Wellington, who led the British forces, one reading, ‘Next to a battle lost the greatest misery is a battle gained’, the other saying, ‘Never was a place more fiercely assaulted nor better defended’.

Standing just over 6ft high, the memorial commemorates the moment when a predominantly British contingent of 4,000 soldiers defended the pivotal location of Hougoumont Farm and its surroundings from a vastly superior French force.

The lack of an official memorial for British troops has been a sore point for decades and has fuelled speculation that successive British governments and the Belgium authorities have been reluctant to push the issue for fear of upsetting the French. By contrast, the French have had a memorial on the site – called The Wounded Eagle – since 1904.


Wellington's heroes finally win Waterloo memorial on Belgian battlefield - 100 years after the French got one

200 years on, there is still no memorial on the site to commemorate the bravery of British troops who fought and died there

Monument designed by Vivien Mallock will open on the battlefield in Belgium next year


Work will feature two British soldiers and quotes from the Duke of Wellington, who led the British forces

By Chris Hastings for The Mail on Sunday
20 December 2014
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It was, perhaps, Britain’s greatest military victory – the ferocious confrontation that finally ended the tyrannical reign of Napoleon Bonaparte.

Yet 200 years after the Battle of Waterloo, astonishingly there is still no memorial on the site to commemorate the remarkable bravery of the British troops who fought and died there – although there is a memorial to the defeated French.

Now that injustice is finally about to be righted. A monument designed by sculptress Vivien Mallock will be opened on the battlefield in Belgium next year.


Victory: The memorial depicts British soldiers struggling to close the gates at Hougoumont

The work will feature two British soldiers and quotes from the Duke of Wellington, who led the British forces, one reading, ‘Next to a battle lost the greatest misery is a battle gained’, the other saying, ‘Never was a place more fiercely assaulted nor better defended’.

Standing just over 6ft high, the memorial commemorates the moment when a predominantly British contingent of 4,000 soldiers defended the pivotal location of Hougoumont Farm and its surroundings from a vastly superior French force.

The lack of an official memorial for British troops has been a sore point for decades and has fuelled speculation that successive British governments and the Belgium authorities have been reluctant to push the issue for fear of upsetting the French. By contrast, the French have had a memorial on the site – called The Wounded Eagle – since 1904.

A political impasse that had long delayed the construction of a British memorial was recently solved when the Belgian authorities agreed on condition that Project Hougoumont, the charity behind the memorial, raised the funds necessary to restore the farmhouse that was at the centre of the Hougoumont fighting and turn it into a state-of-the-art visitor centre.

The property had fallen into a state of disrepair, despite being protected under Belgian law.


It was perhaps Britain’s greatest military victory – the ferocious confrontation that finally ended the tyrannical reign of Napoleon Bonaparte.

The fundraising, which is now complete, included a £1 million donation from the British Government. Both the farmhouse and the memorial will open to visitors from June.

Barry Van Danzig, chief executive officer for Project Hougoumont, said the memorial was to commemorate every British soldier who had fought and died at Waterloo.

‘It is now 200 years since the Battle of Waterloo and there are monuments on the field to the Prussians, the French, the Dutch and the Hanoverians,’ he said.

‘In fact, every nation that was there is commemorated except the British.

‘It is absolutely right that these magnificent men are commemorated and we have been very proud to have played our part.’

Hougoumont Farm was pivotal in the Battle of Waterloo, which took place in June 1815. It was almost captured by Napoleon’s forces when a French lieutenant smashed through its North gate with an axe.

Forty French troops made it on to the site but the enemy advance was halted when a handful of British troops rushed headlong into the group to repair and close the gate.

All the Frenchmen who made it into the farm were eventually killed, with the exception of a drummer boy.

The farmhouse’s restoration includes a new North gate made of timber supplied from Petworth, the Sussex home of Lord Egremont, who is a descendant of Henry Wyndham, a lieutenant involved in the brave struggle to close the breached gate at the farm.

Well not quite. The Prussians played a larger role in the victory at Waterloo. The Brits and their allies sat on their butts in line and in square until the Prussians arrived on the field and smashed into the French right.

I like some of the comments on MailOnline on that article posted above about the new British memorial.


Gobstopper, Surrey, United Kingdom, about 3 hours ago
To the people on here saying the British were hardly involved, you really show yourself up for the idiot lefties you are. The British took the brunt of the assualt, the Prussians did not arrive until the evening, the battle starting at about 10 AM. Wellingtons dead numbered in the region of 15000 at the end of the battle, thats out of about 25000. The Prussians were about 7000 and the French 25000. The British were the ones to not only break the French cavalary, but take on and defeat the French Old and middle guards, their elite troops that previously had not been defeated in Battle. This sent shockwaves through the French whose lines broke. Suck it in lefties, yes it certainly was not all Brits at Waterloo, but we were the ones that won that Battle make no mistake. Hows that feeling for you country haters eh? Sting a little? Good.

Tarleton, Durham, United Kingdom, about 5 hours ago
Reply to Susan, Zurich: How was Wellington lucky? Napoleon was the ruler of France and could give his army anything they wanted. By contrast Wellington could not even get the officers he asked for and was never given the money he wanted to spend on his army. The French army was beaten to a standstill before the Prussians arrived and the Prussian arrival was all part of Wellington's battle plan. The Prussians had been soundly beaten many times before by the French. Napoleon or his generals were never able to do this to the British. Wellington was a greater general than Napoleon: just look at his record in India, the Peninsula and Southern France. It wasn't luck. It was skill and British determination. The French should be able to take their defeats manfully -God knows they've had enough!

Lord Paw-Paw, Putting the Left right, United Kingdom, about 3 hours ago
Susan, two days before Waterloo Blücher was defeated by the French. What would the Prussians have done without Wellington? Mutual support was why Prussia and Britain were allies.

once we were proud, stockport, about 5 hours ago
So we can have a memorial monument if we pay to restore the visitor centre on Belgium soil. This sounds like the European Union in microcosm, all take and very little give. Have the Belgium's ever fought to save their own land?