Trudeau 'welcomes' ethics probe of alleged PMO interference in SNC-Lavalin case
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Yeah, he still doesn't believe that Obama is a Kenyan.
What a Commie.
Not even white, I'll wager.
Statistics Canada has already told us that the two LIE-beral govts ...............................
meaning LIE-beral Pierre Trudeau......................................
and LIE-beral Justin Trudeau............................................
ARE THE TWO MOST COSTLY GOVTS in Cdn peacetime history!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Stats Can also tells us that the NEXT MOST COSTLY GOVTS.....................................
AFTER the Trudopes.....................................
are the Coalitions made up of LIE-berals and NDpers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A LIE-beral/Ndper/Greenie coalition in October 2019 WOULD BE DEADLY..........................................
for Cdn tax payers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A LIE-beral/NDP coalition can drive up debts ALMOST as
fast as a TRUDOPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But add the Greenies in............................
and we may be looking at RECORD DEBT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Way back when....There was this thing called the Sponsorship Scandal or AdScam or Sponsorgate, etc.... it is a scandal that came as a result of a Canadian federal government sponsorship program in the province of Quebec and involve the Liberal party of Canada which was in power from 1993 to 2006. That program ran from 1996 until 2004 when broad corruption was discovered in its operations and the program was discontinued.
In 2006 a guy named Steven Harper was elected Prime Minister. To protect Canadians against another scandal like this The office of the director of public prosecutions was established by an act of parliament in 2006 with a view to making explicit the broad independence prosecutors had hitherto been afforded under the common law. Just a little background....
Our current Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has already been cited for breaking federal ethics laws with respect to accepting an all expenses paid trip to a private island for a vacation with his family in 2017, and today he has been noted for again violating the conflict of interest Act with respect to the attempts made by his office to sway the attorney general towards intervening in the prosecution of SNC Lavalin. Justin Trudeau happens to be the only sitting Prime Minister to breach these laws though only two Prime Minister’s have been subjected to them (Stephen Harper from 2006 to 2015 who didn’t run astray of these laws & Justin Trudeau twice so far in under four years).
Please excuse the lack of punctuation or capitalization above as I am using the text to talk feature on my phone & My fingers are way too big to get overly picky On an iPhone screen not much bigger than a business card.
In 2006 a guy named Steven Harper was elected Prime Minister. To protect Canadians against another scandal like this The office of the director of public prosecutions was established by an act of parliament in 2006 with a view to making explicit the broad independence prosecutors had hitherto been afforded under the common law. Just a little background....
Our current Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has already been cited for breaking federal ethics laws with respect to accepting an all expenses paid trip to a private island for a vacation with his family in 2017, and today he has been noted for again violating the conflict of interest Act with respect to the attempts made by his office to sway the attorney general towards intervening in the prosecution of SNC Lavalin. Justin Trudeau happens to be the only sitting Prime Minister to breach these laws though only two Prime Minister’s have been subjected to them (Stephen Harper from 2006 to 2015 who didn’t run astray of these laws & Justin Trudeau twice so far in under four years).
Please excuse the lack of punctuation or capitalization above as I am using the text to talk feature on my phone & My fingers are way too big to get overly picky On an iPhone screen not much bigger than a business card.
didn't harper bring in this ethics things after he was found in contempt of parliament?
didn't he bring it in so that he wouldn't have to worry about being found in contempt of parliament again?
isn't the ethics things just a symbolic thing that has no consequence?
yep
didn't he bring it in so that he wouldn't have to worry about being found in contempt of parliament again?
isn't the ethics things just a symbolic thing that has no consequence?
yep
The Liberal Party was in power from 1993-2006. They where voted out in 2006, & in
2006 the office of the director of public prosecutions was established by an act of
parliament. I read earlier that it was due to the Sponsorship Scandal:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sponsorship_scandal
The load of politicians and the cliff are still not in the picture, besides the next topic in JT's list of sins is mentioning the Government Hospitals that picked up where the Residential Schools were afraid to go. Anytime you are ready . . .
We can cover that in a bit. My question is why did the Cons miss SNC entirely between 2006-2015 when the Swiss informed the RCMP about the bribery charges that were laid in 2011 and they were blacklisted in 2013? Show me some footage when the Conservatives brought that up before they lost power in 2015.
My point is they didn't do anything but ignore it because it would have hurt then in the election that was held in 2015.
How much did SNC give the Cons before they lost to the Libs in 2015 and was the bill that was slid through started when the Cons were in power.
What if SNC was bribing the Cons to bury the story until the bill was law, is it a crime then or do they get to use some legal loop-hole to hide their crimes?
Trudeau broke ethics rules by trying to exert influence in SNC-Lavalin scandal:
(From: http://globalnews.ca/news/5764034/j...icle&utm_medium=MostPopular&utm_campaign=2014)
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says he “can’t apologize” for what the federal ethics commissioner has now ruled was improper political influence in the SNC-Lavalin scandal. (????)
That’s because he maintains he was trying to protect Canadian jobs, despite the commissioner finding Trudeau and his staff broke the rules repeatedly over the course of several months in which they pressured former attorney general Jody Wilson-Raybould to help the Quebec firm avoid a criminal trial.
“I can’t apologize for standing up for Canadian jobs,” he said when asked about the report on Wednesday.
Trudeau also said while he accepts the report put out by Ethics Commissioner Mario Dion, which found Trudeau broke the Conflict of Interest Act, he disagreed with the conclusion Dion drew that Trudeau should not have been putting forward any considerations he wanted Wilson-Raybould to evaluate. (Perhaps the Ethics Commissioner Mario Dion understood the grope...I mean situation....differently)
Trudeau said he believed he had the responsibility to raise the potential for job losses at the company if it was forced to go through a criminal prosecution.
Dion, though, had said because any potential public interest in the case was intrinsically linked to the private interests of the company, Trudeau should not have waded in at all to argue for any particular considerations to be given more study.
Dion specifically looked at Section 9 of the Conflict of Interest Act, which bars public office holders from “using their position to seek to influence a decision to improperly further the private interests of a third party, either by acting outside the scope of their legislative authority, or contrary to a rule, a convention or an established process.”
As Dion noted in his report, it was not enough just to seek to influence someone else for an action to break the rules.
There had to be a specific desire to “improperly further the interests of SNC-Lavalin.”
And Dion said that’s exactly what he found to be the case.
“The evidence showed that SNC-Lavalin had significant financial interests in deferring prosecution. These interests would likely have been furthered had Mr. Trudeau successfully influenced the Attorney General to intervene in the Director of Public Prosecutions’ decision,” wrote Dion.
“The actions that sought to further these interests were improper since they were contrary to the Shawcross doctrine and the principles of prosecutorial independence and the rule of law.”
He added: “There is no doubt that SNC-Lavalin’s considerable financial interests would have been furthered had Mr. Trudeau successfully influenced Ms. Wilson-Raybould to issue a directive that SNC‑Lavalin be invited to negotiate a remediation agreement.”
Wilson-Raybould issued a statement on Wednesday saying the report represented a “vindication” for the independence of the role of attorney general and director of public prosecutions and validated critical concerns raised by her, but also said she felt “sadness” seeing how the affair has played out.
“In a country as great as Canada, essential values and principles that are the foundation for our freedoms and system of government should be actively upheld by all, especially those in positions of public trust,” she wrote.
He gave a press conference on Wednesday, saying he thinks the findings in Dion’s report merit RCMP investigation as to whether Trudeau tried to obstruct justice by interfering in the criminal process playing out with SNC-Lavalin, and said Canadians should vote him out of office.“Now his first violation for accepting a paid vacation on a luxury island from somebody lobbying his government was shocking,” Scheer said during a press conference. “This one is unforgivable.”
He also gave a clear indication he thinks the finding will be on Canadians’ minds in the fall election.
“Trudeau may never face a court of law in this scandal but he will have to face the Canadian people over the next few weeks.”
In an email to Global News on Wednesday, the RCMP’s National Division said it is “examining this matter carefully with all available information,” and will “take appropriate actions as required.”
RCMP did not provide additional comment. (Don't hold your breath!!)
Charlie Angus, one of the two NDP MPs who initially asked Dion to investigate, called the findings “an absolute political bombshell.”
“We have more and more evidence of the collusion that went on in the prime minister’s office to interfere with an independent prosecution,” Angus said. “This shows a complete disregard for the rule of law in this country. ”
SNC-Lavalin faces up to a decade of being ineligible for bidding on government contracts if it is found guilty of the corruption and bribery allegations against it over its business activities in Libya from 2001 to 2011. Last year, the Liberals changed the law to introduce a legal mechanism called a deferred prosecution agreement after heavy lobbying from SNC-Lavalin.
A deferred prosecution agreement would let a company admit wrongdoing and face a fine or other administrative or financial penalties rather than a criminal conviction, if invited to negotiate such a deal by the director of public prosecutions.
Such decisions were subject to strict conditions including that the national economic interest not be considered. (Quebec is in Canada. Quebec is not Canada)
Kathleen Roussel, the director of public prosecutions, declined to offer SNC-Lavalin a deal.
Wilson-Raybould testified before the House of Commons justice committee this spring that she then faced a campaign of inappropriate pressure from Trudeau and 10 of his most senior officials between September and December 2018 to override that decision by Roussel and offer a deal to SNC-Lavalin.
Wilson-Raybould refused and was shuffled out of her portfolio in January 2019 before quitting cabinet entirely the following month.
Trudeau initially billed the Globe and Mail report that there had been pressure on Wilson-Raybould to intervene as “false.”
He later changed his stance, saying he regretted how the affair unfolded but refused to apologize, billing the affair as an “internal disagreement” before kicking both Wilson-Raybould and Jane Philpott, the former president of the Treasury Board, out of the Liberal caucus.
Philpott had been vocal in expressing concerns that Trudeau was not taking the allegations seriously enough.
Both are now running as Independent candidates in the fall election.
Wilson-Raybould told Global News she will not be commenting on the 60-page report until she has read it all the way through.
Dion’s report lays out exactly how he went about conducting his investigation, which began on February 8 and resulted in Dion receiving documents from Trudeau’s legal counsel on March 29, a written submission from Trudeau on May 2, an interview with Trudeau on May 3, a second set of documents from his legal counsel on June 27 and supplemental written submissions by those lawyers on July 16.
Dion also interviewed or received written submissions from 14 witnesses:
Dion slammed that refusal in his report, saying that although he was able to gather enough evidence to come to a decision, he should have had access to all of the records in order to “fully discharge” his investigative duties.
Trudeau appointed Shuggart after Wernick, the former Clerk, resigned following outcry over what critics called inflammatory and partisan testimony regarding his own view on the scandal this spring.
The report says Trudeau testified that after he learned that Roussel would not offer a deal to SNC-Lavalin, “he asked his staff for existing options to move the file forward,” Dion states in his report.
“He also testified that, at the time, he would have told his staff that it was important that Ms. Wilson-Raybould take into account the potentially negative consequences on Canadians as she made a determination whether or not to intervene in the matter.”
Dion outlined specific incidents that he said amounted to Trudeau seeking to influence Wilson-Raybould’s decision.
The first was a meeting between Trudeau, Wernick and Wilson-Raybould on Sept. 17, 2018, in which Trudeau stressed his status as a member of parliament from Quebec and the upcoming Quebec election during discussions about why Wilson-Raybould would not intervene.
The second came after Oct. 19, 2018, when SNC-Lavalin filed an application for judicial review of the decision not to give it a deferred prosecution agreement and officials from the Prime Minister’s Office asked Wilson-Raybould to intervene to speed up the legal process for that challenge, which she refused.
As Dion noted, the filing of that application “should have put Mr. Trudeau and those acting under his direction on notice to cease all discussions with SNC-Lavalin on the matter.”
The third came in a Dec. 18, 2018, phone call between Wernick and Wilson-Raybould and marked what Dion called the “final and most flagrant attempt to influence Ms. Wilson-Raybould.”
“It is evident from the audio recording that Mr. Wernick was making an appeal, on behalf of Mr. Trudeau, to have the Attorney General reconsider her decision to not intervene in the criminal prosecution. “Although the messenger had changed, the message remained the same: a solution was needed to prevent the economic consequences of SNC-Lavalin not entering into negotiations for a remediation agreement.”
Dion called all of the tactics used by Trudeau and his officials “troubling.”
Dion also went on to state that Trudeau’s legal counsel argued to him that “in sum, Ms. Wilson-Raybould’s decision-making process was inadequate and infected by legal misunderstanding and political motivation.” Dion made a point of noting he did not consider any arguments that tried to reframe or cast doubt on either Roussel’s decision not to offer a deferred prosecution agreement or Wilson-Raybould’s decision not to intervene. He called any such arguments “immaterial.”
Just hours after the Dion report came out, the Liberals released a review by Anne McLellan, the former Liberal justice minister during the sponsorship scandal, that had been tasked with examining whether the roles of attorney general and minister of justice should be split up. McLellan said they should not. However, the release of the reports comes as the Organisation for Economic Co-operation is still conducting a special review of Canada through its anti-bribery working group specifically with regards to how the government handled the SNC-Lavalin scandal. It is not yet clear whether the finding from Dion will influence the work being done by the OECD.
(From: http://globalnews.ca/news/5764034/j...icle&utm_medium=MostPopular&utm_campaign=2014)
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says he “can’t apologize” for what the federal ethics commissioner has now ruled was improper political influence in the SNC-Lavalin scandal. (????)
That’s because he maintains he was trying to protect Canadian jobs, despite the commissioner finding Trudeau and his staff broke the rules repeatedly over the course of several months in which they pressured former attorney general Jody Wilson-Raybould to help the Quebec firm avoid a criminal trial.
“I can’t apologize for standing up for Canadian jobs,” he said when asked about the report on Wednesday.
Trudeau also said while he accepts the report put out by Ethics Commissioner Mario Dion, which found Trudeau broke the Conflict of Interest Act, he disagreed with the conclusion Dion drew that Trudeau should not have been putting forward any considerations he wanted Wilson-Raybould to evaluate. (Perhaps the Ethics Commissioner Mario Dion understood the grope...I mean situation....differently)
Trudeau said he believed he had the responsibility to raise the potential for job losses at the company if it was forced to go through a criminal prosecution.
Dion, though, had said because any potential public interest in the case was intrinsically linked to the private interests of the company, Trudeau should not have waded in at all to argue for any particular considerations to be given more study.
Dion specifically looked at Section 9 of the Conflict of Interest Act, which bars public office holders from “using their position to seek to influence a decision to improperly further the private interests of a third party, either by acting outside the scope of their legislative authority, or contrary to a rule, a convention or an established process.”
As Dion noted in his report, it was not enough just to seek to influence someone else for an action to break the rules.
There had to be a specific desire to “improperly further the interests of SNC-Lavalin.”
And Dion said that’s exactly what he found to be the case.
“The evidence showed that SNC-Lavalin had significant financial interests in deferring prosecution. These interests would likely have been furthered had Mr. Trudeau successfully influenced the Attorney General to intervene in the Director of Public Prosecutions’ decision,” wrote Dion.
“The actions that sought to further these interests were improper since they were contrary to the Shawcross doctrine and the principles of prosecutorial independence and the rule of law.”
He added: “There is no doubt that SNC-Lavalin’s considerable financial interests would have been furthered had Mr. Trudeau successfully influenced Ms. Wilson-Raybould to issue a directive that SNC‑Lavalin be invited to negotiate a remediation agreement.”
Wilson-Raybould issued a statement on Wednesday saying the report represented a “vindication” for the independence of the role of attorney general and director of public prosecutions and validated critical concerns raised by her, but also said she felt “sadness” seeing how the affair has played out.
“In a country as great as Canada, essential values and principles that are the foundation for our freedoms and system of government should be actively upheld by all, especially those in positions of public trust,” she wrote.
“We should not struggle to do this; and we should not struggle to acknowledge when we have acted in ways that do not meet those standards.”
Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer had previously called for Trudeau to resign when the allegations first emerged.
He gave a press conference on Wednesday, saying he thinks the findings in Dion’s report merit RCMP investigation as to whether Trudeau tried to obstruct justice by interfering in the criminal process playing out with SNC-Lavalin, and said Canadians should vote him out of office.“Now his first violation for accepting a paid vacation on a luxury island from somebody lobbying his government was shocking,” Scheer said during a press conference. “This one is unforgivable.”
He also gave a clear indication he thinks the finding will be on Canadians’ minds in the fall election.
“Trudeau may never face a court of law in this scandal but he will have to face the Canadian people over the next few weeks.”
In an email to Global News on Wednesday, the RCMP’s National Division said it is “examining this matter carefully with all available information,” and will “take appropriate actions as required.”
RCMP did not provide additional comment. (Don't hold your breath!!)
Charlie Angus, one of the two NDP MPs who initially asked Dion to investigate, called the findings “an absolute political bombshell.”
“We have more and more evidence of the collusion that went on in the prime minister’s office to interfere with an independent prosecution,” Angus said. “This shows a complete disregard for the rule of law in this country. ”
SNC-Lavalin faces up to a decade of being ineligible for bidding on government contracts if it is found guilty of the corruption and bribery allegations against it over its business activities in Libya from 2001 to 2011. Last year, the Liberals changed the law to introduce a legal mechanism called a deferred prosecution agreement after heavy lobbying from SNC-Lavalin.
A deferred prosecution agreement would let a company admit wrongdoing and face a fine or other administrative or financial penalties rather than a criminal conviction, if invited to negotiate such a deal by the director of public prosecutions.
Such decisions were subject to strict conditions including that the national economic interest not be considered. (Quebec is in Canada. Quebec is not Canada)
Kathleen Roussel, the director of public prosecutions, declined to offer SNC-Lavalin a deal.
Wilson-Raybould testified before the House of Commons justice committee this spring that she then faced a campaign of inappropriate pressure from Trudeau and 10 of his most senior officials between September and December 2018 to override that decision by Roussel and offer a deal to SNC-Lavalin.
Wilson-Raybould refused and was shuffled out of her portfolio in January 2019 before quitting cabinet entirely the following month.
Trudeau initially billed the Globe and Mail report that there had been pressure on Wilson-Raybould to intervene as “false.”
He later changed his stance, saying he regretted how the affair unfolded but refused to apologize, billing the affair as an “internal disagreement” before kicking both Wilson-Raybould and Jane Philpott, the former president of the Treasury Board, out of the Liberal caucus.
Philpott had been vocal in expressing concerns that Trudeau was not taking the allegations seriously enough.
Both are now running as Independent candidates in the fall election.
Wilson-Raybould told Global News she will not be commenting on the 60-page report until she has read it all the way through.
Dion’s report lays out exactly how he went about conducting his investigation, which began on February 8 and resulted in Dion receiving documents from Trudeau’s legal counsel on March 29, a written submission from Trudeau on May 2, an interview with Trudeau on May 3, a second set of documents from his legal counsel on June 27 and supplemental written submissions by those lawyers on July 16.
Dion also interviewed or received written submissions from 14 witnesses:
- Former Attorney General Jody Wilson-Raybould
- Finance Minister Bill Morneau
- Former Clerk of the Privy Council Michael Wernick
- Former President of the Treasury Board Scott Brison
- Mathieu Bouchard, senior adviser to the prime minister
- Elder Marques, senior adviser to the prime minister
- Katie Telford, chief of staff to the prime minister
- Gerald Butts, former principal secretary to the prime minister
- Neil Bruce, former CEO of SNC-Lavalin
- Nathalie Drouin, deputy minister of justice and deputy attorney general
- Ben Chin, chief of staff to the minister of finance
- Jessica Prince, former chief of staff to the former attorney general
- Paul Shuttle, counsel to the Clerk of the Privy Council
- Justin To, deputy chief of staff to the minister of finance
Dion slammed that refusal in his report, saying that although he was able to gather enough evidence to come to a decision, he should have had access to all of the records in order to “fully discharge” his investigative duties.
Trudeau appointed Shuggart after Wernick, the former Clerk, resigned following outcry over what critics called inflammatory and partisan testimony regarding his own view on the scandal this spring.
The report says Trudeau testified that after he learned that Roussel would not offer a deal to SNC-Lavalin, “he asked his staff for existing options to move the file forward,” Dion states in his report.
“He also testified that, at the time, he would have told his staff that it was important that Ms. Wilson-Raybould take into account the potentially negative consequences on Canadians as she made a determination whether or not to intervene in the matter.”
Dion outlined specific incidents that he said amounted to Trudeau seeking to influence Wilson-Raybould’s decision.
The first was a meeting between Trudeau, Wernick and Wilson-Raybould on Sept. 17, 2018, in which Trudeau stressed his status as a member of parliament from Quebec and the upcoming Quebec election during discussions about why Wilson-Raybould would not intervene.
The second came after Oct. 19, 2018, when SNC-Lavalin filed an application for judicial review of the decision not to give it a deferred prosecution agreement and officials from the Prime Minister’s Office asked Wilson-Raybould to intervene to speed up the legal process for that challenge, which she refused.
As Dion noted, the filing of that application “should have put Mr. Trudeau and those acting under his direction on notice to cease all discussions with SNC-Lavalin on the matter.”
The third came in a Dec. 18, 2018, phone call between Wernick and Wilson-Raybould and marked what Dion called the “final and most flagrant attempt to influence Ms. Wilson-Raybould.”
“It is evident from the audio recording that Mr. Wernick was making an appeal, on behalf of Mr. Trudeau, to have the Attorney General reconsider her decision to not intervene in the criminal prosecution. “Although the messenger had changed, the message remained the same: a solution was needed to prevent the economic consequences of SNC-Lavalin not entering into negotiations for a remediation agreement.”
Dion called all of the tactics used by Trudeau and his officials “troubling.”
Dion also went on to state that Trudeau’s legal counsel argued to him that “in sum, Ms. Wilson-Raybould’s decision-making process was inadequate and infected by legal misunderstanding and political motivation.” Dion made a point of noting he did not consider any arguments that tried to reframe or cast doubt on either Roussel’s decision not to offer a deferred prosecution agreement or Wilson-Raybould’s decision not to intervene. He called any such arguments “immaterial.”
Just hours after the Dion report came out, the Liberals released a review by Anne McLellan, the former Liberal justice minister during the sponsorship scandal, that had been tasked with examining whether the roles of attorney general and minister of justice should be split up. McLellan said they should not. However, the release of the reports comes as the Organisation for Economic Co-operation is still conducting a special review of Canada through its anti-bribery working group specifically with regards to how the government handled the SNC-Lavalin scandal. It is not yet clear whether the finding from Dion will influence the work being done by the OECD.
It's not any political party's decision whom to charge or not charge. That falls upon Law Enforcement & not politicians. It's not a matter or missing or not missing anything....it's a matter of jurisdiction and who has the authority to do what. It's not upon any politician or political party to decide who is guilty or who isn't either as that is the decision of a judge and not a politician. Does that cover things?
My neighbour might be selling stolen bicycles but it's not up to you or I or Justin Trudeau or Stephen Harper to charge them with a crime. I can report the crime to Law Enforcement but I can't charge my neighbour with a crime. Does this make sense?
Trudeau broke ethics rules by trying to exert influence in SNC-Lavalin scandal:
That’s because he maintains he was trying to protect Canadian jobs, despite the commissioner finding Trudeau and his staff broke the rules repeatedly over the course of several months in which they pressured former attorney general Jody Wilson-Raybould to help the Quebec firm avoid a criminal trial.
Avoid a 5 year long trial and another 5 years while appeals are made and then a fine may or may not be granted and with them being banned from bidding on contracts in Canada alone they are done SNC was blacklisted from bidding on any contracts the World Banks was involved with in 2013. That means they were out of business for ever as you do not restart after being out of the picture for a decade. The jobs were 3,400 in a company that had 50,000 employees whose jobs were not being protected. The Cons protected them from at least 2011 when they were on the front page due to bribery charges laid by the World Bank. Where were the leaders of Canada for the next 4 years. Simple question so why does everybody skate around it?
“I can’t apologize for standing up for Canadian jobs,” he said when asked about the report on Wednesday.
Having 20% of the shares owned by Quebec pensions would be an incentive to avoid a stock collapse as long as possible would it not, of course it would and they would be looking at dumping it on the taxpayers if need be, from all of Canada rather than just Quebec, more likely it would be except the Quebec Govt as they are the ones who own the shares.
Trudeau also said while he accepts the report put out by Ethics Commissioner Mario Dion, which found Trudeau broke the Conflict of Interest Act, he disagreed with the conclusion Dion drew that Trudeau should not have been putting forward any considerations he wanted Wilson-Raybould to evaluate. (Perhaps the Ethics Commissioner Mario Dion understood the grope...I mean situation....differently)
A brand new AG is not going to know all the ins and outs of a Law that is just days old and has never been 'tested' let alone in a case as big as SNC and their whole career with the World Bank. They would also have been where the loans came from for contracts in Libya rather than they were Canadian companies.
Trudeau said he believed he had the responsibility to raise the potential for job losses at the company if it was forced to go through a criminal prosecution.
Dion, though, had said because any potential public interest in the case was intrinsically linked to the private interests of the company, Trudeau should not have waded in at all to argue for any particular considerations to be given more study.
His only advice was to talk to former AG's about if an open Court Case about bribery at World Bank levels and then lose 3400 jobs that are lost anyway as SNC is no longer bidding on any contracts outside of Canada so there goes 46,600 of its 50000 employees anyway. By pleading guilty under the new las SNC could bod on contracts in Canada and by the sound of it they own a lot bore places than a contruction company should. How they acquired that much might not be something they want investigated real deep as bribery is sure to show up. More shit to shovel under the rug that is Canadian Politics in general.
Dion specifically looked at Section 9 of the Conflict of Interest Act, which bars public office holders from “using their position to seek to influence a decision to improperly further the private interests of a third party, either by acting outside the scope of their legislative authority, or contrary to a rule, a convention or an established process.”
As Dion noted in his report, it was not enough just to seek to influence someone else for an action to break the rules.
There had to be a specific desire to “improperly further the interests of SNC-Lavalin.”
In this case his objective was to get the new AG to pay attention to a new law that had been passed by listening to what former AG's (alone) thought about the whole affair as far as trial in open court or guilty plea and no public confession and they could still bid on contracts inside of Canada, being blacklisted by the WB would not have changed at all. Owning companies or share in a company when you are destined for the scrap-heap means those shares have to be sold and the money should go into paying fines but there was no trail and there was no guilty plea so there are no fines to pay. the WB already got their pound of flesh out of them and they eliminated canada from being able to bid on any big projects, inside or outside of Canada.
And Dion said that’s exactly what he found to be the case.
“The evidence showed that SNC-Lavalin had significant financial interests in deferring prosecution. These interests would likely have been furthered had Mr. Trudeau successfully influenced the Attorney General to intervene in the Director of Public Prosecutions’ decision,” wrote Dion.
“The actions that sought to further these interests were improper since they were contrary to the Shawcross doctrine and the principles of prosecutorial independence and the rule of law.”
He added: “There is no doubt that SNC-Lavalin’s considerable financial interests would have been furthered had Mr. Trudeau successfully influenced Ms. Wilson-Raybould to issue a directive that SNC‑Lavalin be invited to negotiate a remediation agreement.”
If there was a lot at stake why did SNC not start the petition for special status in Canada the moment the World Bank charged them with bribery in 2011, let alone being found guilty in 2013. Are you expecting me to believe not a word was said to anybody in the Cons camp and just when JT took control all the lobbying drafting of the Law was done? It's not going to work compared to what the alternative is, the Cons were stone walling any action util after the 2015 election and then the bill would have passed and the AJ would have signed off and SNC would be prue white in the eyes of Canadian law makers.
Wilson-Raybould issued a statement on Wednesday saying the report represented a “vindication” for the independence of the role of attorney general and director of public prosecutions and validated critical concerns raised by her, but also said she felt “sadness” seeing how the affair has played out.
“In a country as great as Canada, essential values and principles that are the foundation for our freedoms and system of government should be actively upheld by all, especially those in positions of public trust,” she wrote.
“We should not struggle to do this; and we should not struggle to acknowledge when we have acted in ways that do not meet those standards.”
She should not have tried to expose bribery at world bank levels as her first case, or even any case. How many times have they been successfully prosecuted for anything?
Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer had previously called for Trudeau to resign when the allegations first emerged.
He gave a press conference on Wednesday, saying he thinks the findings in Dion’s report merit RCMP investigation as to whether Trudeau tried to obstruct justice by interfering in the criminal process playing out with SNC-Lavalin, and said Canadians should vote him out of office.“Now his first violation for accepting a paid vacation on a luxury island from somebody lobbying his government was shocking,” Scheer said during a press conference. “This one is unforgivable.”
He also gave a clear indication he thinks the finding will be on Canadians’ minds in the fall election.
“Trudeau may never face a court of law in this scandal but he will have to face the Canadian people over the next few weeks.”
That is what you do and say when your own party is neck deep in the whole affair and are now trying desperately to pin the whole deal on the Libs when they are the ones fully at fault for all of it.
In an email to Global News on Wednesday, the RCMP’s National Division said it is “examining this matter carefully with all available information,” and will “take appropriate actions as required.”
RCMP did not provide additional comment. (Don't hold your breath!!)
Charlie Angus, one of the two NDP MPs who initially asked Dion to investigate, called the findings “an absolute political bombshell.”
“We have more and more evidence of the collusion that went on in the prime minister’s office to interfere with an independent prosecution,” Angus said. “This shows a complete disregard for the rule of law in this country. ”
The date on that would have been 2011 as that is when the World Bank started feeding info to the RCMP, that would have been info provided by the former CEO of SNC who was the only witness the World bank called and he was 'very cooperative' by all accounts. That was offered to Canada but the Govt turned it down
SNC-Lavalin faces up to a decade of being ineligible for bidding on government contracts if it is found guilty of the corruption and bribery allegations against it over its business activities in Libya from 2001 to 2011. Last year, the Liberals changed the law to introduce a legal mechanism called a deferred prosecution agreement after heavy lobbying from SNC-Lavalin.
A deferred prosecution agreement would let a company admit wrongdoing and face a fine or other administrative or financial penalties rather than a criminal conviction, if invited to negotiate such a deal by the director of public prosecutions.
They were already banned in 2013 from being an international company and the list of banned companies means they would not have been bidding on any big contracts in Canada as they are always funded by the World bank rather than by Canadians. The fine that came with a guilty plea would have been the same as one a trail would have gotten, without the expense of a long trial and an even longer appeal.
Such decisions were subject to strict conditions including that the national economic interest not be considered. (Quebec is in Canada. Quebec is not Canada)
Kathleen Roussel, the director of public prosecutions, declined to offer SNC-Lavalin a deal.
The last time an important case about Treaties came up it took 20 years and $200M in taxpayer funds before the Courts were 'done'. That was a 'local issue' this one would involve how global business is run by the IMF and their 'gang'. JFK got popped for less than that.
Wilson-Raybould testified before the House of Commons justice committee this spring that she then faced a campaign of inappropriate pressure from Trudeau and 10 of his most senior officials between September and December 2018 to override that decision by Roussel and offer a deal to SNC-Lavalin.
Wilson-Raybould refused and was shuffled out of her portfolio in January 2019 before quitting cabinet entirely the following month.
Trudeau initially billed the Globe and Mail report that there had been pressure on Wilson-Raybould to intervene as “false.”
He later changed his stance, saying he regretted how the affair unfolded but refused to apologize, billing the affair as an “internal disagreement” before kicking both Wilson-Raybould and Jane Philpott, the former president of the Treasury Board, out of the Liberal caucus.
The pressure was to talk to other AG's about insisting on a open court case that can go sideways or take the new loophole and save a few jobs in Montreal. (over taking the IMF to Court and exposing just how corrupt things really are at the very top)
Philpott had been vocal in expressing concerns that Trudeau was not taking the allegations seriously enough.
Both are now running as Independent candidates in the fall election.
Wilson-Raybould told Global News she will not be commenting on the 60-page report until she has read it all the way through.
Can you say 'milk this for all its worth'?
That’s because he maintains he was trying to protect Canadian jobs, despite the commissioner finding Trudeau and his staff broke the rules repeatedly over the course of several months in which they pressured former attorney general Jody Wilson-Raybould to help the Quebec firm avoid a criminal trial.
Avoid a 5 year long trial and another 5 years while appeals are made and then a fine may or may not be granted and with them being banned from bidding on contracts in Canada alone they are done SNC was blacklisted from bidding on any contracts the World Banks was involved with in 2013. That means they were out of business for ever as you do not restart after being out of the picture for a decade. The jobs were 3,400 in a company that had 50,000 employees whose jobs were not being protected. The Cons protected them from at least 2011 when they were on the front page due to bribery charges laid by the World Bank. Where were the leaders of Canada for the next 4 years. Simple question so why does everybody skate around it?
“I can’t apologize for standing up for Canadian jobs,” he said when asked about the report on Wednesday.
Having 20% of the shares owned by Quebec pensions would be an incentive to avoid a stock collapse as long as possible would it not, of course it would and they would be looking at dumping it on the taxpayers if need be, from all of Canada rather than just Quebec, more likely it would be except the Quebec Govt as they are the ones who own the shares.
Trudeau also said while he accepts the report put out by Ethics Commissioner Mario Dion, which found Trudeau broke the Conflict of Interest Act, he disagreed with the conclusion Dion drew that Trudeau should not have been putting forward any considerations he wanted Wilson-Raybould to evaluate. (Perhaps the Ethics Commissioner Mario Dion understood the grope...I mean situation....differently)
A brand new AG is not going to know all the ins and outs of a Law that is just days old and has never been 'tested' let alone in a case as big as SNC and their whole career with the World Bank. They would also have been where the loans came from for contracts in Libya rather than they were Canadian companies.
Trudeau said he believed he had the responsibility to raise the potential for job losses at the company if it was forced to go through a criminal prosecution.
Dion, though, had said because any potential public interest in the case was intrinsically linked to the private interests of the company, Trudeau should not have waded in at all to argue for any particular considerations to be given more study.
His only advice was to talk to former AG's about if an open Court Case about bribery at World Bank levels and then lose 3400 jobs that are lost anyway as SNC is no longer bidding on any contracts outside of Canada so there goes 46,600 of its 50000 employees anyway. By pleading guilty under the new las SNC could bod on contracts in Canada and by the sound of it they own a lot bore places than a contruction company should. How they acquired that much might not be something they want investigated real deep as bribery is sure to show up. More shit to shovel under the rug that is Canadian Politics in general.
Dion specifically looked at Section 9 of the Conflict of Interest Act, which bars public office holders from “using their position to seek to influence a decision to improperly further the private interests of a third party, either by acting outside the scope of their legislative authority, or contrary to a rule, a convention or an established process.”
As Dion noted in his report, it was not enough just to seek to influence someone else for an action to break the rules.
There had to be a specific desire to “improperly further the interests of SNC-Lavalin.”
In this case his objective was to get the new AG to pay attention to a new law that had been passed by listening to what former AG's (alone) thought about the whole affair as far as trial in open court or guilty plea and no public confession and they could still bid on contracts inside of Canada, being blacklisted by the WB would not have changed at all. Owning companies or share in a company when you are destined for the scrap-heap means those shares have to be sold and the money should go into paying fines but there was no trail and there was no guilty plea so there are no fines to pay. the WB already got their pound of flesh out of them and they eliminated canada from being able to bid on any big projects, inside or outside of Canada.
And Dion said that’s exactly what he found to be the case.
“The evidence showed that SNC-Lavalin had significant financial interests in deferring prosecution. These interests would likely have been furthered had Mr. Trudeau successfully influenced the Attorney General to intervene in the Director of Public Prosecutions’ decision,” wrote Dion.
“The actions that sought to further these interests were improper since they were contrary to the Shawcross doctrine and the principles of prosecutorial independence and the rule of law.”
He added: “There is no doubt that SNC-Lavalin’s considerable financial interests would have been furthered had Mr. Trudeau successfully influenced Ms. Wilson-Raybould to issue a directive that SNC‑Lavalin be invited to negotiate a remediation agreement.”
If there was a lot at stake why did SNC not start the petition for special status in Canada the moment the World Bank charged them with bribery in 2011, let alone being found guilty in 2013. Are you expecting me to believe not a word was said to anybody in the Cons camp and just when JT took control all the lobbying drafting of the Law was done? It's not going to work compared to what the alternative is, the Cons were stone walling any action util after the 2015 election and then the bill would have passed and the AJ would have signed off and SNC would be prue white in the eyes of Canadian law makers.
Wilson-Raybould issued a statement on Wednesday saying the report represented a “vindication” for the independence of the role of attorney general and director of public prosecutions and validated critical concerns raised by her, but also said she felt “sadness” seeing how the affair has played out.
“In a country as great as Canada, essential values and principles that are the foundation for our freedoms and system of government should be actively upheld by all, especially those in positions of public trust,” she wrote.
“We should not struggle to do this; and we should not struggle to acknowledge when we have acted in ways that do not meet those standards.”
She should not have tried to expose bribery at world bank levels as her first case, or even any case. How many times have they been successfully prosecuted for anything?
Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer had previously called for Trudeau to resign when the allegations first emerged.
He gave a press conference on Wednesday, saying he thinks the findings in Dion’s report merit RCMP investigation as to whether Trudeau tried to obstruct justice by interfering in the criminal process playing out with SNC-Lavalin, and said Canadians should vote him out of office.“Now his first violation for accepting a paid vacation on a luxury island from somebody lobbying his government was shocking,” Scheer said during a press conference. “This one is unforgivable.”
He also gave a clear indication he thinks the finding will be on Canadians’ minds in the fall election.
“Trudeau may never face a court of law in this scandal but he will have to face the Canadian people over the next few weeks.”
That is what you do and say when your own party is neck deep in the whole affair and are now trying desperately to pin the whole deal on the Libs when they are the ones fully at fault for all of it.
In an email to Global News on Wednesday, the RCMP’s National Division said it is “examining this matter carefully with all available information,” and will “take appropriate actions as required.”
RCMP did not provide additional comment. (Don't hold your breath!!)
Charlie Angus, one of the two NDP MPs who initially asked Dion to investigate, called the findings “an absolute political bombshell.”
“We have more and more evidence of the collusion that went on in the prime minister’s office to interfere with an independent prosecution,” Angus said. “This shows a complete disregard for the rule of law in this country. ”
The date on that would have been 2011 as that is when the World Bank started feeding info to the RCMP, that would have been info provided by the former CEO of SNC who was the only witness the World bank called and he was 'very cooperative' by all accounts. That was offered to Canada but the Govt turned it down
SNC-Lavalin faces up to a decade of being ineligible for bidding on government contracts if it is found guilty of the corruption and bribery allegations against it over its business activities in Libya from 2001 to 2011. Last year, the Liberals changed the law to introduce a legal mechanism called a deferred prosecution agreement after heavy lobbying from SNC-Lavalin.
A deferred prosecution agreement would let a company admit wrongdoing and face a fine or other administrative or financial penalties rather than a criminal conviction, if invited to negotiate such a deal by the director of public prosecutions.
They were already banned in 2013 from being an international company and the list of banned companies means they would not have been bidding on any big contracts in Canada as they are always funded by the World bank rather than by Canadians. The fine that came with a guilty plea would have been the same as one a trail would have gotten, without the expense of a long trial and an even longer appeal.
Such decisions were subject to strict conditions including that the national economic interest not be considered. (Quebec is in Canada. Quebec is not Canada)
Kathleen Roussel, the director of public prosecutions, declined to offer SNC-Lavalin a deal.
The last time an important case about Treaties came up it took 20 years and $200M in taxpayer funds before the Courts were 'done'. That was a 'local issue' this one would involve how global business is run by the IMF and their 'gang'. JFK got popped for less than that.
Wilson-Raybould testified before the House of Commons justice committee this spring that she then faced a campaign of inappropriate pressure from Trudeau and 10 of his most senior officials between September and December 2018 to override that decision by Roussel and offer a deal to SNC-Lavalin.
Wilson-Raybould refused and was shuffled out of her portfolio in January 2019 before quitting cabinet entirely the following month.
Trudeau initially billed the Globe and Mail report that there had been pressure on Wilson-Raybould to intervene as “false.”
He later changed his stance, saying he regretted how the affair unfolded but refused to apologize, billing the affair as an “internal disagreement” before kicking both Wilson-Raybould and Jane Philpott, the former president of the Treasury Board, out of the Liberal caucus.
The pressure was to talk to other AG's about insisting on a open court case that can go sideways or take the new loophole and save a few jobs in Montreal. (over taking the IMF to Court and exposing just how corrupt things really are at the very top)
Philpott had been vocal in expressing concerns that Trudeau was not taking the allegations seriously enough.
Both are now running as Independent candidates in the fall election.
Wilson-Raybould told Global News she will not be commenting on the 60-page report until she has read it all the way through.
Can you say 'milk this for all its worth'?
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That would mean no investigation let alone a verdict that is a blackmark, he suffered both so which part is making him 'special'.
What is the full punishment available to that magnitude of a crime against that Canadian Taxpayer? Would Harper's speech in Cancun about letting big business be the advisers the Government of Canada listens to be a crime of treason if they are getting a discount at the same time.
Historically when you are in a position of trust and you break the law, you go to jail.
https://thetyee.ca/Life/2013/04/30/Robert-Sommers-Jailed/
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Was she still the Minister of Justice at the time. It still boils down to an experienced AG would have already asked others about the new law without being prompted by 'her Boss' and what they think it means and what it doesn't mean rather than going solo and acting like she alone was going to decide if the case had merit or not.
Suing the WHO on the behalf of certain Indians would have been a case with better traction so her advisers are stupid or she was set up to fail. If that case is impossible then so is getting SNC into an open court trial.
In theory, in practice how long is the list of people who have faced the charge of treason compared to how many that should have? There is a reason why a Judge gets a free lawyer and a Plaintiff can't hire a Lawyer at any price when your complaint is filed with that Government entity that is supposed to be free from any influences, internal or external. They collect wages from the Government, they remain employed because they serve the BAR rather than the people of Canada.
This is the last one charged with treason and the conviction was recently overturned.
JT was letting her lay charges, what he was not lettering her do is to accept a guilty plea rather than going for a full trial in open court when that would hold no real gain as the fine would be the same in either case. In a trial there is always the chance it could be thrown out. If she didn't consult with anybody that is experienced with that particular law that is dereliction of duty rather than being in the right at all.
Bribery is a white collar crime. The CEO was already doing time in a different country so he is 'untouchable' so how can a minion be held liable, . . . for starters. Who would you have put in the Defense table?
JT was letting her lay charges, what he was not lettering her do is to accept a guilty plea rather than going for a full trial in open court when that would hold no real gain as the fine would be the same in either case. In a trial there is always the chance it could be thrown out. If she didn't consult with anybody that is experienced with that particular law that is dereliction of duty rather than being in the right at all.
Oh, Trudeau produced some tears (that drauma training, eh?) and has apologized. Mea Culpa! Mea Culpa!
In the mean time, Butts is back in town, those "disgraced", honest Caucus members are still in Purgatory and the Liberal Party Whip is primed and ready to toss out any other Patriots who blab a word.
Fall can't come soon enough for me.
In the mean time, Butts is back in town, those "disgraced", honest Caucus members are still in Purgatory and the Liberal Party Whip is primed and ready to toss out any other Patriots who blab a word.
Fall can't come soon enough for me.