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HarperCons

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As Marx used to say:

"Go! Go! and never darken my towels, again!"
Pretty close but he actually said this :



A spectre is haunting Europe — the spectre of communism. All the powers of old Europe have entered into a holy alliance to exorcise this spectre: Pope and Tsar, Metternich and Guizot, French Radicals and German police-spies.

Where is the party in opposition that has not been decried as communistic by its opponents in power? Where is the opposition that has not hurled back the branding reproach of communism, against the more advanced opposition parties, as well as against its reactionary adversaries?

Two things result from this fact:

I. Communism is already acknowledged by all European powers to be itself a power.

II. It is high time that Communists should openly, in the face of the whole world, publish their views, their aims, their tendencies, and meet this nursery tale of the Spectre of Communism with a manifesto of the party itself.

To this end, Communists of various nationalities have assembled in London and sketched the following manifesto, to be published in the English, French, German, Italian, Flemish and Danish languages.

The history of all hitherto existing society(2) is the history of class struggles.

Freeman and slave, patrician and plebeian, lord and serf, guild-master(3) and journeyman, in a word, oppressor and oppressed, stood in constant opposition to one another, carried on an uninterrupted, now hidden, now open fight, a fight that each time ended, either in a revolutionary reconstitution of society at large, or in the common ruin of the contending classes.

In the earlier epochs of history, we find almost everywhere a complicated arrangement of society into various orders, a manifold gradation of social rank. In ancient Rome we have patricians, knights, plebeians, slaves; in the Middle Ages, feudal lords, vassals, guild-masters, journeymen, apprentices, serfs; in almost all of these classes, again, subordinate gradations.

The modern bourgeois society that has sprouted from the ruins of feudal society has not done away with class antagonisms. It has but established new classes, new conditions of oppression, new forms of struggle in place of the old ones.

Our epoch, the epoch of the bourgeoisie, possesses, however, this distinct feature: it has simplified class antagonisms. Society as a whole is more and more splitting up into two great hostile camps, into two great classes directly facing each other — Bourgeoisie and Proletariat.

From the serfs of the Middle Ages sprang the chartered burghers of the earliest towns. From these burgesses the first elements of the bourgeoisie were developed.

The discovery of America, the rounding of the Cape, opened up fresh ground for the rising bourgeoisie. The East-Indian and Chinese markets, the colonisation of America, trade with the colonies, the increase in the means of exchange and in commodities generally, gave to commerce, to navigation, to industry, an impulse never before known, and thereby, to the revolutionary element in the tottering feudal society, a rapid development.

The feudal system of industry, in which industrial production was monopolised by closed guilds, now no longer sufficed for the growing wants of the new markets. The manufacturing system took its place. The guild-masters were pushed on one side by the manufacturing middle class; division of labour between the different corporate guilds vanished in the face of division of labour in each single workshop.

Meantime the markets kept ever growing, the demand ever rising. Even manufacturer no longer sufficed. Thereupon, steam and machinery revolutionised industrial production. The place of manufacture was taken by the giant, Modern Industry; the place of the industrial middle class by industrial millionaires, the leaders of the whole industrial armies, the modern bourgeois.

Modern industry has established the world market, for which the discovery of America paved the way. This market has given an immense development to commerce, to navigation, to communication by land. This development has, in its turn, reacted on the extension of industry; and in proportion as industry, commerce, navigation, railways extended, in the same proportion the bourgeoisie developed, increased its capital, and pushed into the background every class handed down from the Middle Ages.

We see, therefore, how the modern bourgeoisie is itself the product of a long course of development, of a series of revolutions in the modes of production and of exchange.

Each step in the development of the bourgeoisie was accompanied by a corresponding political advance of that class. An oppressed class under the sway of the feudal nobility, an armed and self-governing association in the medieval commune(4): here independent urban republic (as in Italy and Germany); there taxable “third estate” of the monarchy (as in France); afterwards, in the period of manufacturing proper, serving either the semi-feudal or the absolute monarchy as a counterpoise against the nobility, and, in fact, cornerstone of the great monarchies in general, the bourgeoisie has at last, since the establishment of Modern Industry and of the world market, conquered for itself, in the modern representative State, exclusive political sway. The executive of the modern state is but a committee for managing the common affairs of the whole bourgeoisie.

The bourgeoisie, historically, has played a most revolutionary part.

The bourgeoisie, wherever it has got the upper hand, has put an end to all feudal, patriarchal, idyllic relations. It has pitilessly torn asunder the motley feudal ties that bound man to his “natural superiors”, and has left remaining no other nexus between man and man than naked self-interest, than callous “cash payment”. It has drowned the most heavenly ecstasies of religious fervour, of chivalrous enthusiasm, of philistine sentimentalism, in the icy water of egotistical calculation. It has resolved personal worth into exchange value, and in place of the numberless indefeasible chartered freedoms, has set up that single, unconscionable freedom — Free Trade. In one word, for exploitation, veiled by religious and political illusions, it has substituted naked, shameless, direct, brutal exploitation.

The bourgeoisie has stripped of its halo every occupation hitherto honoured and looked up to with reverent awe. It has converted the physician, the lawyer, the priest, the poet, the man of science, into its paid wage labourers.

The bourgeoisie has torn away from the family its sentimental veil, and has reduced the family relation to a mere money relation.

The bourgeoisie has disclosed how it came to pass th
 

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Pretty close but he actually said this :



A spectre is haunting Europe — the spectre of communism. All the powers of old Europe have entered into a holy alliance to exorcise this spectre: Pope and Tsar, Metternich and Guizot, French Radicals and German police-spies.

Where is the party in opposition that has not been decried as communistic by its opponents in power? Where is the opposition that has not hurled back the branding reproach of communism, against the more advanced opposition parties, as well as against its reactionary adversaries?

Two things result from this fact:

I. Communism is already acknowledged by all European powers to be itself a power.

II. It is high time that Communists should openly, in the face of the whole world, publish their views, their aims, their tendencies, and meet this nursery tale of the Spectre of Communism with a manifesto of the party itself.

To this end, Communists of various nationalities have assembled in London and sketched the following manifesto, to be published in the English, French, German, Italian, Flemish and Danish languages.

The history of all hitherto existing society(2) is the history of class struggles.

Freeman and slave, patrician and plebeian, lord and serf, guild-master(3) and journeyman, in a word, oppressor and oppressed, stood in constant opposition to one another, carried on an uninterrupted, now hidden, now open fight, a fight that each time ended, either in a revolutionary reconstitution of society at large, or in the common ruin of the contending classes.

In the earlier epochs of history, we find almost everywhere a complicated arrangement of society into various orders, a manifold gradation of social rank. In ancient Rome we have patricians, knights, plebeians, slaves; in the Middle Ages, feudal lords, vassals, guild-masters, journeymen, apprentices, serfs; in almost all of these classes, again, subordinate gradations.

The modern bourgeois society that has sprouted from the ruins of feudal society has not done away with class antagonisms. It has but established new classes, new conditions of oppression, new forms of struggle in place of the old ones.

Our epoch, the epoch of the bourgeoisie, possesses, however, this distinct feature: it has simplified class antagonisms. Society as a whole is more and more splitting up into two great hostile camps, into two great classes directly facing each other — Bourgeoisie and Proletariat.

From the serfs of the Middle Ages sprang the chartered burghers of the earliest towns. From these burgesses the first elements of the bourgeoisie were developed.

The discovery of America, the rounding of the Cape, opened up fresh ground for the rising bourgeoisie. The East-Indian and Chinese markets, the colonisation of America, trade with the colonies, the increase in the means of exchange and in commodities generally, gave to commerce, to navigation, to industry, an impulse never before known, and thereby, to the revolutionary element in the tottering feudal society, a rapid development.

The feudal system of industry, in which industrial production was monopolised by closed guilds, now no longer sufficed for the growing wants of the new markets. The manufacturing system took its place. The guild-masters were pushed on one side by the manufacturing middle class; division of labour between the different corporate guilds vanished in the face of division of labour in each single workshop.

Meantime the markets kept ever growing, the demand ever rising. Even manufacturer no longer sufficed. Thereupon, steam and machinery revolutionised industrial production. The place of manufacture was taken by the giant, Modern Industry; the place of the industrial middle class by industrial millionaires, the leaders of the whole industrial armies, the modern bourgeois.

Modern industry has established the world market, for which the discovery of America paved the way. This market has given an immense development to commerce, to navigation, to communication by land. This development has, in its turn, reacted on the extension of industry; and in proportion as industry, commerce, navigation, railways extended, in the same proportion the bourgeoisie developed, increased its capital, and pushed into the background every class handed down from the Middle Ages.

We see, therefore, how the modern bourgeoisie is itself the product of a long course of development, of a series of revolutions in the modes of production and of exchange.

Each step in the development of the bourgeoisie was accompanied by a corresponding political advance of that class. An oppressed class under the sway of the feudal nobility, an armed and self-governing association in the medieval commune(4): here independent urban republic (as in Italy and Germany); there taxable “third estate” of the monarchy (as in France); afterwards, in the period of manufacturing proper, serving either the semi-feudal or the absolute monarchy as a counterpoise against the nobility, and, in fact, cornerstone of the great monarchies in general, the bourgeoisie has at last, since the establishment of Modern Industry and of the world market, conquered for itself, in the modern representative State, exclusive political sway. The executive of the modern state is but a committee for managing the common affairs of the whole bourgeoisie.

The bourgeoisie, historically, has played a most revolutionary part.

The bourgeoisie, wherever it has got the upper hand, has put an end to all feudal, patriarchal, idyllic relations. It has pitilessly torn asunder the motley feudal ties that bound man to his “natural superiors”, and has left remaining no other nexus between man and man than naked self-interest, than callous “cash payment”. It has drowned the most heavenly ecstasies of religious fervour, of chivalrous enthusiasm, of philistine sentimentalism, in the icy water of egotistical calculation. It has resolved personal worth into exchange value, and in place of the numberless indefeasible chartered freedoms, has set up that single, unconscionable freedom — Free Trade. In one word, for exploitation, veiled by religious and political illusions, it has substituted naked, shameless, direct, brutal exploitation.

The bourgeoisie has stripped of its halo every occupation hitherto honoured and looked up to with reverent awe. It has converted the physician, the lawyer, the priest, the poet, the man of science, into its paid wage labourers.

The bourgeoisie has torn away from the family its sentimental veil, and has reduced the family relation to a mere money relation.

The bourgeoisie has disclosed how it came to pass th
lotta words for something no one cares about.
 

Retired_Can_Soldier

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lmfao. **** off. At least read Marx and develop actual opinions, actual rebuttals to what Marx believed, that I could respect.

I still haven't found an anti-Marxist yet that's actually read Marx. Very weird yes.

You must be speaking about Groucho. Someone ought to fill you in that there's no being the fourth stooge, though you might try.
 

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It took Trump and his team 87 minutes to correct the word "unpresidented






 

Durry

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No big deal, The iPhone does most of the spelling, you often miss checking it to make it picked the right spelling before hitting send.
Happens to me all the time.

It's only the Loser Lefties that try to make the above an issue. Shows what small minds they have!!
 

JLM

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No big deal, The iPhone does most of the spelling, you often miss checking it to make it picked the right spelling before hitting send.
Happens to me all the time.

It's only the Loser Lefties that try to make the above an issue. Shows what small minds they have!!


Not exactly, they taught me in school for 12 years that correct spelling is important, although I think it does depend on the context. As far as the English language is concerned the spelling was all f**Ked up long before I was introduced to it and now this younger generation has just massacred it! :) :) IT must drive the foreigners crazy.........you have "drone" and then you have "gone" and "lead" and "said". There's no rhyme or reason! (Excuse the pun)
 

Durry

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d now this younger generation has just massacred it! :) :) IT must drive the foreigners crazy.........you have "drone" and then you have "gone" and "lead" and "said". There's no rhyme or reason! (Excuse the pun)
As far as the foreigners are concerned, the ones we are now bringing into this country are not the brightest to start with, most of them don't really care to learn the language, they only want to know enough English to get qualified for all the freebies this country hands out to immigrants.
In fact many immigrants in my area hardly speak any English at all.
 

JLM

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As far as the foreigners are concerned, the ones we are now bringing into this country are not the brightest to start with, most of them don't really care to learn the language, they only want to know enough English to get qualified for all the freebies this country hands out to immigrants.
In fact many immigrants in my area hardly speak any English at all.


It takes all kinds. I think they run the gamut from free loaders to very grateful people. Perhaps if you had put up with what they have had to contend with for five years, you might think the world owes you a living.
 

Durry

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Perhaps if you had put up with what they have had to contend with for five years, you might think the world owes you a living.
No, not me. I think if anyone comes here thinking somebody owes them a living, they should not be allowed in.

What really gulls me in my area is all these immigrants now mostly drive new foreign SUVs. They come to my country, earn money from hard working Canadians, get free health care etc and they don't even have the courtesy of buying a democratic SUV. They give their Canadian hard earned monies to other countries.

If nobody purchased domestic vehicles, these immigrants would not be getting free health care, in fact we probably would not need immigrants.

Just found out recently my MLA, who is an immigrant, gets paid by Canadian taxpayers, recently purchased a new FOREIGN SUV, sheesh. Talk about stupidity eh!!
 

Cannuck

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I agree. We should tell immigrants what cars they are allowed to drive. Better yet, let's close the border to all "non-Canadian" cars
 

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No, not me. I think if anyone comes here thinking somebody owes them a living, they should not be allowed in.

What really gulls me in my area is all these immigrants now mostly drive new foreign SUVs. They come to my country, earn money from hard working Canadians, get free health care etc and they don't even have the courtesy of buying a democratic SUV. They give their Canadian hard earned monies to other countries.

If nobody purchased domestic vehicles, these immigrants would not be getting free health care, in fact we probably would not need immigrants.

Just found out recently my MLA, who is an immigrant, gets paid by Canadian taxpayers, recently purchased a new FOREIGN SUV, sheesh. Talk about stupidity eh!!
Maybe your domestic cars ain't worth a fukk. I drive a Toyota meself.
 

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lmfao. **** off. At least read Marx and develop actual opinions, actual rebuttals to what Marx believed, that I could respect.

I still haven't found an anti-Marxist yet that's actually read Marx. Very weird yes.

You've just met one.

You're an idiot.

100 million dead in the 20th century.

How huge a ****ing moron do you have to be to tout the political philosophy responsible for such slaughter as "for the people"?

You're really not very bright.

Masrxism is a humanist religion, and you are an evangelical preacher. :)

BTW, the best rebuttals to Marxist theory are the guy you have pictured.....Casto, Lenin, Mao, Trotsky, Stalin, Pol Pot.........a real bunch of humanitarians.

What an idiot!
 

Durry

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Maybe your domestic cars ain't worth a fukk. I drive a Toyota meself.

Well they could very well be worth fukk but that's why we bring these scum bag immigrants in here, they are supposed to be here to grow the country but as we see they are totally useless.
Once again it's the the European caucasions having to do all the work and heavy lifting.
I think we should stop this useless immigration, shut the gates, tell them to fukk off, Syrians included.
 

JLM

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No, not me. I think if anyone comes here thinking somebody owes them a living, they should not be allowed in.

What really gulls me in my area is all these immigrants now mostly drive new foreign SUVs. They come to my country, earn money from hard working Canadians, get free health care etc and they don't even have the courtesy of buying a democratic SUV. They give their Canadian hard earned monies to other countries.

If nobody purchased domestic vehicles, these immigrants would not be getting free health care, in fact we probably would not need immigrants.

Just found out recently my MLA, who is an immigrant, gets paid by Canadian taxpayers, recently purchased a new FOREIGN SUV, sheesh. Talk about stupidity eh!!


I'm not even sure one can differentiate between a foreign vehicle and domestic vehicle. The Pontiac Vibe and the Toyota Matrix are the same thing except for the name plate so what are they? American? or Jap?
 

Durry

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You won't find any American cars in Japan or Korea (maybe only a few), not sure about Germany ??? But hey, we sell everybodies junk here,,,,speak of being suckers eh!!

Speak of being stupid !!