Harper is just such a crackpot and the real wealth, power, is being handed over to scam artists.
Freedom, Justice and Democracy RE:Egypt
- Thread starter earth_as_one
- Start date
I repeat: Israel does not use torture.
Arabs were yet again protected by a decision of Israel's courts.
''I repeat: Israel does not use torture.''
you cannot be serious
BBC News | MIDDLE EAST | Israel admits torture
I believe we have gone through this a few times with links to Israeli dissidents, and American Jewish liberals, who are the world's biggest critics of these crimes.
you cannot be serious
BBC News | MIDDLE EAST | Israel admits torture
I believe we have gone through this a few times with links to Israeli dissidents, and American Jewish liberals, who are the world's biggest critics of these crimes.
Do you read your own link????
"between 1988 and 1992. "
Once again: Israel does not use torture.
I see EAO have got you little girls running scared and grasping for straws again. *lmao*
And of course between the liberal pro war American media and the war mongering President Obama ;-) who are discussing with Mubarak and his aids now about how soon his departure can be. Where is Briton, Canada or any other country for that matter, diplomats all sleeping? Don't want to get hit in the head with a bricks, they will fit.. The Muslim Brotherhood is staying in the background till the replacement government trips up.
Reuters - The Obama administration is discussing with Egyptian officials the immediate resignation of President Hosni Mubarak as one of several scenarios for a transition of power, a U.S. official said.
We could get the military industry up and running again, creating jobs, creating taxes to run the economy, just have to stop this clean energy stuff for a while. Be back producing in no time. Some positions have opened up in Northrop Grumman in Coco Beach, Florida having a job fair later this month.
Reuters - The Obama administration is discussing with Egyptian officials the immediate resignation of President Hosni Mubarak as one of several scenarios for a transition of power, a U.S. official said.
We could get the military industry up and running again, creating jobs, creating taxes to run the economy, just have to stop this clean energy stuff for a while. Be back producing in no time. Some positions have opened up in Northrop Grumman in Coco Beach, Florida having a job fair later this month.
Last edited:
And how many thousands of poor third world schmucks are going to pay with their lives so a few Yanks can have a job creating death and destruction? I know it may come as surprise to you, but the USA is not the center of the universe.
Of course not, the USA is to big to be the center, the center of the Universe is New York City.
But at this level of the economic slump it wouldn't take to much to get the factories running at 100% again.Perhaps they should try turning tanks into plow shares. They world needs more food. Just think how grateful the world would be if the US started feeding people instead of blowing them up.Of course not, the USA is to big to be the center, the center of the Universe is New York City.
Wrong! The US is involved in Egypt to the tune of $50B since 1975.
$50 billion later, taking stock of US aid to Egypt / The Christian Science Monitor - CSMonitor.com
This is an historic opportunity for Americans to demand their government stop supporting oppression and injustice in Egypt and around the world.
To bring down this brutal dictator today, the American government need only threaten to stop the gravy train. No false justifications regarding WMDs, no false allegation about links to 9/11, no need to sacrifice American soldiers and no need to start an unprovoked war resulting in hundreds of thousands of violent deaths. The price Americans would pay to over throw this dictator is just a threat to stop borrowing $1.3B a year to finance Mubarak's oppressive regime and a clear statement in support of the will of millions of Egyptians.
Your criticism of Canada and our leaders is warranted. At least the President of the United States has acknowledged the will of the Egyptian people and called for Mubarak's departure.
Canada's leaders are towing the line of Mubarak's supporters and calling for Mubarak to stay in power for now and step down at some unspecified time in the future. That's code for giving Mubarak time to track down, torture and execute protesters while rigging the system in favor of one of his cronies.
Now is your chance to criticize Canada IS. I suggest you take the opportunity to give Canada a good roasting for siding with a brutal oppressive dictator against the will of the Egyptian people.
This is disgraceful:
I hope Canadians remember on election day that when crunch time came in Egypt, Harper, Ignatieff and Layton sided with Mubarak's supporters against the will of the Egyptian people.
Last edited:
We know that... but it seems the whole world is wondering what we think or commenting on our responses to this uprising, for better or worse. That must make you sad.
We do feed them. More than you'll ever admit to.
No this is a historic opportunity for the US Govt. to stay the BLEEP out of it.
However that has not happened and the Administration has indeed come out in favor of a change in government and on the side of the protestors. Just look at what the President is saying almost daily.
We should have stayed out of it and when the dust settled... THEN decide if they are going to get their funds.
According to the US, the US is the world's most generous donor nation.
However once subtract the billions in "aid" in the form of arms to support pro-American dictators and tyrants like Mubarak and factor in donations as a % of GDP rather than in absolute terms, the US ranks further down, depending on what you define as aid.
Pro-science: Is USA the biggest foreign aid donor?
The US still ships Egypt arms and props up Mubarak's government economically. That's hardly staying the BLEEP out of it.
Since the US government is running a deficit, that means you have to borrow the money to support Mubarak's oppressive dictatorship. Eventually Americans won't be able to borrow any more money and your government will have to raise taxes to keep supporting Mubarak.
As an American taxpayer, please explain why you believe country should continue borrowing money and eventually raise taxes to support Mubarak's oppressive dictatorship.
However once subtract the billions in "aid" in the form of arms to support pro-American dictators and tyrants like Mubarak and factor in donations as a % of GDP rather than in absolute terms, the US ranks further down, depending on what you define as aid.
Pro-science: Is USA the biggest foreign aid donor?
The US still ships Egypt arms and props up Mubarak's government economically. That's hardly staying the BLEEP out of it.
Since the US government is running a deficit, that means you have to borrow the money to support Mubarak's oppressive dictatorship. Eventually Americans won't be able to borrow any more money and your government will have to raise taxes to keep supporting Mubarak.
As an American taxpayer, please explain why you believe country should continue borrowing money and eventually raise taxes to support Mubarak's oppressive dictatorship.
Oh please. Yes, the Nation/village of Luxemborg is a greater contributor than the US I've heard. lol
Get real.
Are you that dense to not know the difference?
The US has supported Egypt. However there is an uprising and a change going on and WE SHOULD STAY OUT OF IT! Is that clear?
As an American Taxpayer I believe the gravy train should end for MANY countries. As an American Taxpayer I believe US Aid should be drastically reduced to ALL countries. Let that digest.
A friend was saying yesterday that they heard on CBC that Marmaduke has stashed away 70 billion in his personal accounts. That would be a healthy chunk of the US aid sent to prop up his dictatorship. How much of your aid actually made it to those in need? This sounds very familiar, like every other despotic government that the US has supported. The aid that the US sends to countries is not to help the poor but to prop up the oppression of the poor. There is nothing wrong with aid, just the reasons it is given.We know that... but it seems the whole world is wondering what we think or commenting on our responses to this uprising, for better or worse. That must make you sad.
We do feed them. More than you'll ever admit to.
No this is a historic opportunity for the US Govt. to stay the BLEEP out of it.
However that has not happened and the Administration has indeed come out in favor of a change in government and on the side of the protestors. Just look at what the President is saying almost daily.
We should have stayed out of it and when the dust settled... THEN decide if they are going to get their funds.
Feed the dictator until an eruption. Then kill the dictator and you get to be heroes!
The repeal of the emergency law is obviously what needs to be done to settle this mess. But it's pathetic that the West is trying to make themselves look like saviours. As if we enjoy our healthy doses of freedom over here, lol.
Anyone who somehow feels proud to be American, Canadian, British, German or from whatever other democratic nation while seeing this mess is seriously deluded. We can barely solve our own civil issues, so don't expect any serious attempt on our Governments' parts to legitimately resolve this Egyptian corruption.
We'd much rather turn Egypt's turmoil into our own economic benefit because we're such a caring and empathetic country. Seems like the "ethical oil" is fueling our response to this mess, lol
Last edited:
You really don't get it.
The US government supports Mubarak. Present tense. Your government gives (present tense) the Mubarak dictatorship $3.5US million in arms and economic support per day, every day, including today. Tomorrow your government will give Mubarak another $3.5US million. The day after that, your government will give Mubarak another $3.5US million. The US government will continue giving Mubarak money and arms into the foreseeable future.
Meanwhile the US has not given the Egyptian pro-democracy a single penny. You aren't giving the protesters any cash or arms today and you aren't going to give the pro-democracy movement any cash or arms tomorrow or any day in the near future.
That activity is not "staying out of it". That activity is direct support for a brutal oppressive dictator. Staying out of it would be if the US government stopped giving Mubarak $3.5 million per day.
Is that clear enough? Do you get it now?
Regarding American generosity.
I was living in northern Canada during the Feed the World campaign. Millions of people were starving in Ethiopia.
The City of Toronto raised about $100 million. (population 2.5 million = $4 per person)
The Town of Rankin Inlet raised about $1 million (population 2000 = $500 per person)
Which group of people were more charitable?
Last edited:
Oh I do get it... you don't.
The US Govt supports Egypt... present tense.
The US Govt is supporting Egypt.
How silly.
Ok. So should we fly C-5's overhead and push out bales of money?
Nor should we.
Is Canada? No... I guess you must be supporting an oppressive regime then eh?
Not so sure about that. But if we do end up giving a pro-democracy movement in Egypt cash or arms I am sure you will be the first person in here complaining.
It is very clear that you are unaware of how financial aid between nations works.
A person walks up to you and says...
"What would be more beneficial... $100 Million to your cause... or $1 Million to your cause?"
Your answer is?
Here is a hint...
$100 Million > $1 Million
Have a nice day!
Caution, caution....Ayaan Hirsi Ali on Egypt and the Muslim Brotherhood.......
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/04/opinion/04iht-edali04.html?_r=3&ref=egypt&pagewanted=all
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/04/opinion/04iht-edali04.html?_r=3&ref=egypt&pagewanted=all
''Israel does not use torture''
look again
-------------------------------------------------
'Islamists'
Note also that this ''brotherhood'' {sic} cult only has a membership of 100,000 whereas Egypt has a population of 80 million. Such a small cult is not a serious threat to the majority unless they get money and weaponry from the USA.
look again
-------------------------------------------------
'Islamists'
Note also that this ''brotherhood'' {sic} cult only has a membership of 100,000 whereas Egypt has a population of 80 million. Such a small cult is not a serious threat to the majority unless they get money and weaponry from the USA.