Chief Mogrifier
Posts: 8,810 
April 28th, 2008, 10:55 AM
Quoting karrie
I may have to kick myself for saying this but in Nanaimo, on Vancouver Island, we don't get ice storms. We are not immune to power outages. That's why we bought the generator. We started this island living thing on Gabriola Island where the power went out once or twice a month. Several times it stayed off for over a week. On Gabriola Island it was particularly crappy because we all had electric well pumps.....No electricity, no water...
The ice storms are a prime example of what can happen to take out your electricity and keep it out for a good long while. This thread isn't dedicated just to food shortages, it's discussing emergency food stores for any eventuality. For the food shortage possibility, fridges and freezers full of food are a great idea. Even in a disaster like an ice storm causing massive power grid damage, those freezers full of food can help a lot of friends and family (no need to let it all spoil).
April 28th, 2008, 10:59 AM
I know hubby's got the skill set and strength to do pretty much anything, but, I'm much more of a wuss.
Quoting Lester
I grew up with dodgy power, dodgy water, dodgy heat. Working on the farm (grain and cattle). While I didn't have to do as much of the work as some farm kids, but I did my fair share and I hope to hell I could keep up when push comes to shove. I know I can't do a lot of what I used to as a kid. My sister and I used to be able to haul 15 gallons of water between us when I was about 10 (one pail on either side, and sharing the lift of one between), and now I can barely lift 5.
My mom and dad were brought up on a farm in the thirties- Both Grandmothers Baked, canned, pickled, milked the cows, gathered eggs, while the guys worked in the fields all day, they also raised and slaughtered their own livestock- they had no electricity or gas and a woodstove for heat. She told me they didn't have time to play many games as they had chores and lots of them - they didn't have a choice, it was just how you lived back then. I wonder how many people could make the switch from an SUV to a massey ferguson.
I know hubby's got the skill set and strength to do pretty much anything, but, I'm much more of a wuss.
Hawkings former plumber
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April 28th, 2008, 11:56 AM
It's very heartening to see this thread and the wonderfull stories and ideas . The basics of food shelter and education can be selfprovided as many of you have lived it and know it to be true I think it's everyones responsibility to pass that on to children and friends especially the skills that many of you have mentioned. Join co-op gardens work with community groups get your hands into the soil and concentrate on the basics of life. That is where freedom and security is to be found.
Today I got seed potatoes and all the other cold crop seed I could think of, ordered two steers a pig and with my 40 chickens we is going to do some farming. Mason jars are $13.99 doz here in Nova Scotia. I'v been reading about permaculture for a while, it is beautiful stuff, a very old technique but very productive. Even if thier was no general global crisis these selfsustaining practices are truely liberating every hour spent at them pays dividents many times higher than the hour sold to the factory or the office that's perhaps something that the young would be well advised to incorporate.
It's very heartening to see this thread and the wonderfull stories and ideas . The basics of food shelter and education can be selfprovided as many of you have lived it and know it to be true I think it's everyones responsibility to pass that on to children and friends especially the skills that many of you have mentioned. Join co-op gardens work with community groups get your hands into the soil and concentrate on the basics of life. That is where freedom and security is to be found.
Today I got seed potatoes and all the other cold crop seed I could think of, ordered two steers a pig and with my 40 chickens we is going to do some farming. Mason jars are $13.99 doz here in Nova Scotia. I'v been reading about permaculture for a while, it is beautiful stuff, a very old technique but very productive. Even if thier was no general global crisis these selfsustaining practices are truely liberating every hour spent at them pays dividents many times higher than the hour sold to the factory or the office that's perhaps something that the young would be well advised to incorporate.
April 28th, 2008, 12:00 PM
Quoting darkbeaver
It is a lesson that is well advised to be incorporated. Living in the city it's more difficult to pass it along, especially animal care. But, hubby and I are increasingly discussing the idea of setting up a small acreage.
I'v been reading about permaculture for a while, it is beautiful stuff, a very old technique but very productive. Even if thier was no general global crisis these selfsustaining practices are truely liberating every hour spent at them pays dividents many times higher than the hour sold to the factory or the office that's perhaps something that the young would be well advised to incorporate.
Clever Clogs
Posts: 652
Location: Baja Canada
Location: Baja Canada
April 28th, 2008, 09:28 PM
Uncle
Quoting MikeyDB
I guess I slept through it in Texas, because I have no recollection of it at all. When was this?
Juan
Were you perhaps off-planet when a breaker in Cleveland (somewhere in Ohio) didn't respond correctly and fifty million people lost their electricity? Don't "expect" that your conveniences will be there all the time forever because they won't be!
Were you perhaps off-planet when a breaker in Cleveland (somewhere in Ohio) didn't respond correctly and fifty million people lost their electricity? Don't "expect" that your conveniences will be there all the time forever because they won't be!
Uncle
Steven Hawking's Tutor
Posts: 4,604
April 28th, 2008, 10:16 PM
Unclepercy
Take your pick…..
http://www.securityfocus.com/news/8412
http://www.aip.org/tip/INPHFA/vol-9/iss-5/p8.html
Unclepercy
Take your pick…..
http://www.securityfocus.com/news/8412
http://www.aip.org/tip/INPHFA/vol-9/iss-5/p8.html
Dark Overlord
Posts: 2,587
April 28th, 2008, 11:11 PM
Quoting Tonington
I'm not sure how humane the survivors would be. They would do almost anything to survive, and that means acts that they may not do in "civilized" times.
This reminds me of a topic I ponder from time to time.
Say some catastrophe befalls humanity. A true calamity that wipes out 99% of humans. What expertise would we have left to rebuild, assuming that basic survival skills allows us to regain some sort of meaningful means of sustenance, and that we can somehow organize back into societies? Or, what would the new world look like? What would the new infrastructure look like? What other species would survive, assuming it's not some kind of pandemic that targets only humans? Of course it's all idle speculation, but it makes me thankful that I've picked up a variety of intermediate skills over my young years.
Say some catastrophe befalls humanity. A true calamity that wipes out 99% of humans. What expertise would we have left to rebuild, assuming that basic survival skills allows us to regain some sort of meaningful means of sustenance, and that we can somehow organize back into societies? Or, what would the new world look like? What would the new infrastructure look like? What other species would survive, assuming it's not some kind of pandemic that targets only humans? Of course it's all idle speculation, but it makes me thankful that I've picked up a variety of intermediate skills over my young years.
Gobsmacked
Posts: 4,660
April 28th, 2008, 11:58 PM
Quoting shadowshiv
You're probably right Shadow - alot of people would go a rabid for awhile... but I think some would find places to live, create small communities and eventually societies would again emerge. Hopefully with a different set of priorities.
I'm not sure how humane the survivors would be. They would do almost anything to survive, and that means acts that they may not do in "civilized" times.
Clever Clogs
Posts: 652
Location: Baja Canada
Location: Baja Canada
April 29th, 2008, 06:05 PM
You blame everything on America, so I guess I can blame everything on Canada. Seems
fair. Yes, I know I am in a nest of Canadians, but I love Canada and am fascinated by it.
The other day someone said something - "the royal we" - and I cracked up. If that were said in this country, no one would know how to take it. Funny.
Uncle
Quoting MikeyDB
I still have no recollection of it. Wasn't it determined later that it was Canada's fault?
Unclepercy
Take your pick…..
http://www.securityfocus.com/news/8412
http://www.aip.org/tip/INPHFA/vol-9/iss-5/p8.html
Take your pick…..
http://www.securityfocus.com/news/8412
http://www.aip.org/tip/INPHFA/vol-9/iss-5/p8.html
You blame everything on America, so I guess I can blame everything on Canada. Seems
fair. Yes, I know I am in a nest of Canadians, but I love Canada and am fascinated by it.
The other day someone said something - "the royal we" - and I cracked up. If that were said in this country, no one would know how to take it. Funny.
Uncle
Dark Overlord
Posts: 2,587
April 29th, 2008, 08:58 PM
Quoting unclepercy
No. The Mayor in New York blamed Canada before the facts of the matter were brought to light. It was in fact a screw-up in the Cleveland plant that caused the Blackout.
I still have no recollection of it. Wasn't it determined later that it was Canada's fault?
You blame everything on America, so I guess I can blame everything on Canada. Seems
fair. Yes, I know I am in a nest of Canadians, but I love Canada and am fascinated by it.
The other day someone said something - "the royal we" - and I cracked up. If that were said in this country, no one would know how to take it. Funny.
Uncle
You blame everything on America, so I guess I can blame everything on Canada. Seems
fair. Yes, I know I am in a nest of Canadians, but I love Canada and am fascinated by it.
The other day someone said something - "the royal we" - and I cracked up. If that were said in this country, no one would know how to take it. Funny.
Uncle
Clever Clogs
Posts: 715
Location: Ardrossan, Alberta
Location: Ardrossan, Alberta
April 29th, 2008, 10:21 PM
Quoting shadowshiv
Anybody got a recipe for long pork?
I'm not sure how humane the survivors would be. They would do almost anything to survive, and that means acts that they may not do in "civilized" times.
Dark Overlord
Posts: 2,587
April 29th, 2008, 10:28 PM
Quoting karrie
Otherwise you may find yourself as part of his menu.
mental note... turn down future invites for beer and barbeque at Lester's house.
April 29th, 2008, 10:39 PM
lol
Quoting shadowshiv
'grain finished'
Otherwise you may find yourself as part of his menu.
lol
Dark Overlord
Posts: 2,587
April 29th, 2008, 10:45 PM
Quoting karrie
I wonder who would make up the barley and hops portion of his meal?
'grain finished'
lol
lol
