Peaceful coexistence between scientists and theologians

Peaceful coexistence between scientists and theologians

talloola

#61

Re: Peaceful coexistence between scientists and theologians

Jan 21st, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy

The reasonable answer is that the book was written by men to control men. It has nothing to do with god and everything to do with the imagination of men. The god of the bible is no more valid than any other god dreamed up by men. The bible is a work of fiction based on older myths, so how can any claims made by it as to its divine origins be taken seriously? You are the one who continues to ignore the historical facts of who, when, where and why the book was put together.

yes and
let alone, they were all a bunch of nomads wandering around the desert in stinky sandals, and
didn't have a clue what the rest of the world was about, or how nature controlled weather, and
what a star was, or thunder and lightening, AND we are expected to believe what they decided
to write. come on.......

JLM

#62

Re: Peaceful coexistence between scientists and theologians

Jan 21st, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by talloola

yes and
let alone, they were all a bunch of nomads wandering around the desert in stinky sandals, and
didn't have a clue what the rest of the world was about, or how nature controlled weather, and
what a star was, or thunder and lightening, AND we are expected to believe what they decided
to write. come on.......

Yeah, and some of it written while under the influence of that water that was turned into wine. You probably couldn't find better stuff written at the corner of Haight and Ashbury.

talloola

#63

Re: Peaceful coexistence between scientists and theologians

Jan 21st, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by JLM

Yeah, and some of it written while under the influence of that water that was turned into wine. You probably couldn't find better stuff written at the corner of Haight and Ashbury.

I can just imagine, those hangovers must have been doozers. lol

And, with such little knowledge of the world, and gigantic imaginations and lots of fear, the stories
written were definitely 'out of this world'.

gerryh

#64

Re: Peaceful coexistence between scientists and theologians

Jan 21st, 2011

well, that didn't take long at all.

dumpthemonarchy

#65

Re: Peaceful coexistence between scientists and theologians

Jan 21st, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver

Did I hear the word parasitic? Yes I did. It's very interesting that man is his own worst parasite, don't you think?

Perhaps entertainers are parasitic too, since they produce as much as priests, nothing really except laugh or groans. But they don't force you to go to their shows, nor call you names if they don't like you. Time to let religion slide away and take away their tax breaks at the local, provincial and federal levels and treat churches like any other business.

darkbeaver

#66

Re: Peaceful coexistence between scientists and theologians

Jan 21st, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by dumpthemonarchy

Perhaps entertainers are parasitic too, since they produce as much as priests, nothing really except laugh or groans. But they don't force you to go to their shows, nor call you names if they don't like you. Time to let religion slide away and take away their tax breaks at the local, provincial and federal levels and treat churches like any other business.

Entertainers entertain a parasite is all take and no give. Anyway we have already largely done away with religion, in the west, but we have not relaxed the control that it has had on the masses we have just decentralized the work previously done by organized religion. If you look at pop culture you will find all manner of new pulpits from which the tailored to fit new good word is delivered to the entranced believer. Take for instance Ecogod or Climategod or Hockeygod or Al Gore or the much beloved Terrorgod how about Saint Obama. I believe that there is more religion now and not less and by religion I mean faith demanding interests that supply the fellowship once supplied by religion. Sure organized traditional forms have been and continue to be eroded but they are replaced with modern faith based belief systems. The faith required to believe in global warming is the same as that to believe in the standard bearded super being. Replace it all you want something similar will fill the void. Take away the tax breaks for sure. Mankind needs faith, the bankers know that well.

dumpthemonarchy

#67

Re: Peaceful coexistence between scientists and theologians

Jan 21st, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver

Entertainers entertain a parasite is all take and no give. Anyway we have already largely done away with religion, in the west, but we have not relaxed the control that it has had on the masses we have just decentralized the work previously done by organized religion. If you look at pop culture you will find all manner of new pulpits from which the tailored to fit new good word is delivered to the entranced believer. Take for instance Ecogod or Climategod or Hockeygod or Al Gore or the much beloved Terrorgod how about Saint Obama. I believe that there is more religion now and not less and by religion I mean faith demanding interests that supply the fellowship once supplied by religion. Sure organized traditional forms have been and continue to be eroded but they are replaced with modern faith based belief systems. The faith required to believe in global warming is the same as that to believe in the standard bearded super being. Replace it all you want something similar will fill the void. Take away the tax breaks for sure. Mankind needs faith, the bankers know that well.

Faith comes with a whole system. Wanting to clean up the environment can make similar zealots but they don't have much philosophy regarding an afterlife, a sacred book or some big invisible guy in the sky. No big buildings, but taxes though, lots of that, but they are peripheral. Plus eco is far more technical, a dirty world with big cities and oil spills are a new problems which require specific work to counteract. Plus the eco stuff lacks tradition, religion has tradition in a way new ideas like eco do not. The big JC didn't chat much about cleaning up the physical world. The theologians are a bit lost here because faith doesn't move too many anymore.

But bankers are us, hoping for a better future in various ways.

Dexter Sinister

#68

Re: Peaceful coexistence between scientists and theologians

Jan 22nd, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by MHz

You have that same answer to anything the Bible say, ...

Not quite. I have the same answer to anything YOU say the Bible says: that book is not what you think it is. You and darkbeaver can utter in a few paragraphs more unmitigated nonsense about what science is and says and how it works than could be properly debunked in a thousand pages. Your misapprehensions are so profound and your lack of knowledge is so deep, that nothing short of a 4 year undergraduate program in some basic science--physics, chemistry, biology, geology... take your pick--could possibly disabuse you. I can chip away at the details of some of the crap you both post here, but I'm not inclined to put in the effort it'd take, or the volume of writing it'd take, to correct your larger misunderstandings. It's up to you to educate yourselves, I can't do it, but everything you need is freely available on line or at your local library. You're both so sunk in your prejudices that you'll never believe me anyway, and both so wrong that you have no comprehension of how far off the mark you are.

JLM

#69

Re: Peaceful coexistence between scientists and theologians

Jan 22nd, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver

There is a very good case for the idea that the science the public is force fed deals with first and foremost the shielding and maintenance of corporate profit. That is not to say that there is anything out of the ordinary with that scenario for it has become the norm for every human institution to serve and protect their corporate masters. So while the tool of scientific method remains the supreme human screwdriver, above suspicion, same for hammers and slide rules, it is in practice where we see it's total failure to provide for hope and clean adventure of unbiased discovery. There simply is no escape from its guilt in the present defilement of academia and as such scientific heads should certainly roll. Off with their heads, god will judge, right or wrong.

Huh - From where did you get that ?

MHz

#70

Re: Peaceful coexistence between scientists and theologians

Jan 22nd, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by Dexter Sinister

Not quite. I have the same answer to anything YOU say the Bible says: that book is not what you think it is. You and darkbeaver can utter in a few paragraphs more unmitigated nonsense about what science is and says and how it works than could be properly debunked in a thousand pages. Your misapprehensions are so profound and your lack of knowledge is so deep, that nothing short of a 4 year undergraduate program in some basic science--physics, chemistry, biology, geology... take your pick--could possibly disabuse you. I can chip away at the details of some of the crap you both post here, but I'm not inclined to put in the effort it'd take, or the volume of writing it'd take, to correct your larger misunderstandings. It's up to you to educate yourselves, I can't do it, but everything you need is freely available on line or at your local library. You're both so sunk in your prejudices that you'll never believe me anyway, and both so wrong that you have no comprehension of how far off the mark you are.

And with that the OP has the answer to the question ...... now if the names were switched I could rightfully say the words below as the topic is not one that has to do with making the physical body as comfortable as possible.

Jas.2:16
And one of you say unto them,
Depart in peace,
be ye warmed and filled;
notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body;
what doth it profit?

Strange as it may sound if we can ask questions that would tages pages to answer fully then at least they are 'involved', just unfortunate for us that we ran into somebody with a 'summary' that would even shed light on just one particulate of the 'puzzle'.

Matter that is coming to a black hole has the ability attract matter by itself. If space as more mass in a given volume just before the 'event horizon' then that mass also has a gravitational pull on mass that is in the same direction this mass. The event horizon is more apt to be suction rather than compression. With matter coming in from a single plane that automatically allows for various levels of gravity. In this case once the breech point is reached when 'something' is squeezed out. Our galaxy is said to have a black hole at the center but no jets have been detected. Fast forward until much more mass has gathered at the core. As mass move closer to the center is should get denser and thus it's gravitational pull is also increased. Because the mass is gathered in a disk formation that is like a fist closing compared to 4 or more hands closing closer together. Sooner or later what a fist is compressing is going to flow in the direction of the least pressure. Once that point is reached the density of that mass does not allow it to just stop once the pressure weakens (only a small % of the galaxy is outside the event horizon) but that mass still fall in and is eventually part of the jet. That would mean the best way to find a black hole is to look for the very bright spot at the center of galaxies. By comparing very many the 'life' might even be able to be seen. (the prize being a galaxy that eats itself)

We call it breathing, in with the good out with the bad, God calls it cruise control for the masses.

As entertaining as it is the gravitational waves are based on a smoke in a graphic program that is loosely based on a schooling algorithm where one seed is sent on a path and the rest follow within a certain variable distance.

There is still a dos program available on the old simtel ftp sites that models the mathematical models for heavenly bodies and gravity. Along with a solar system module that you can move back and forth it has 16 randomly placed bodies and how they interact when meeting. In most cases they eliminate each other, in a fews cases they interact for a few moments and then they go separate directions, in a rare case they merge into a perpetual orbit where both original bodies survive the meeting.

ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/astronomy/ gravity2.zip

To use that data to form an opinion on how two black holes would interact should be similar if they survive once a jet develops

Last edited by MHz; Jan 22nd, 2011 at 09:52 AM..

petros

#71

Re: Peaceful coexistence between scientists and theologians

Jan 22nd, 2011

It's God that his finger on the Seyfert release switch and he is keeping the galactic core from putting out more photons and x-rays than the rest of the entire galaxy?

Is he the guy we owe $56,900,000,000,000 or he releases the safety wire that keeps the galactic cork in?

darkbeaver

#72

Re: Peaceful coexistence between scientists and theologians

Jan 22nd, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by JLM

Huh - From where did you get that ?

Wikedpedia

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MHz

#73

Re: Peaceful coexistence between scientists and theologians

Jan 22nd, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by JLM

Huh - From where did you get that ?

"The Magna Carta, or Great Charter, is a document created for the purpose of limiting the powers of the monarch and preserving the basic legal rights of all free men in England."
--

A Law dictionary defines a freeman as more or less a business owner, Consumers do not qualify except as a courtesy.

GreenFish66

#74

Re: Peaceful coexistence between scientists and theologians

Jan 22nd, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by eh1eh

Don't believe in the chaos theory? You think your soul has choice?

Chaos is an interesting theory.. A mathematical theory consisting of infinite loops and randomness...But a loop can be altered by adding in different variables ...With new computing technology some of what used to be considered Chaos, is no longer.Times Change...Theories of Everything are Altered as Better/Greater Solutions are Found/Observed/Organized..Thought about..

In Human Terms - Chaos is Insanity ...Humans like To be Rational/To Organize..To Understand/Find Solutions.To have Direction...Purpose.

In some Religious Philosophy - Chaos, is the Devil/Evil...

To others it is Big Papa G Stirring the pot...Slightly Altering the Plan ..The Direction..Adding in some new Variables/Ingredients

To Big Papa G ..There is no Chaos that can't be Solved,Altered,Changed,Controlled...iITt.is the Merger/Transfer of all Energy ...Is the Answer/The Alpha /The Omega...To those who believe...

There are many theories; Relativity, Quantuum, Complexity, Chaos, String Theory..In my opinion Chaos is the weakest ..Based on math that Humans just don't know the answer to..Although we certainly know how to Ensue/Pursue/Observe it...

There is no Choas that can't be changed by simply changing a variable/ by changing the tool /limiting the scale of Observation.....There is a point when all comes into focus, and a point where it is lost once more...

One always has Choices/Decisions to Make , but yes, Ultimately we are all at the mercy of Greater Energies/The Greater Energy ...Your choice is to choose, what your soul will grow into, where your soul will reside, when your physical body dies.

What will you be remembered for/Remembered as...?

Being , A Good Spirited Soul ....?

or

A soul, That got Lost in the Chaos....?

Everything is Energy and Information ...The Rest is Recyclable Waste...

(Body of the Earth/Mind of the Universe...)

A soul never dies, it chooses where to Exist...Energy Transforms..

A Good Soul Full of Energy knows how to Tap in and ride the wave..Just don't think you can OWN/Control the Absolute Energy ...

Peace or Pieces?

Peace...

In the End ...

iITt. is What it is...(Ad infinitum)

Gotta have Faith in the Future...

Or

Whatever...

-- - Absolute Truth -Post #42- Here's some lyrics I wrote on a similar premise...

JLM

#75

Re: Peaceful coexistence between scientists and theologians

Jan 22nd, 2011

Quote: Originally Posted by MHz

"The Magna Carta, or Great Charter, is a document created for the purpose of limiting the powers of the monarch and preserving the basic legal rights of all free men in England."
--

A Law dictionary defines a freeman as more or less a business owner, Consumers do not qualify except as a courtesy.

Yeah, It might have worked in Old Blighty 800 years ago, but that's not to say it's valid now.

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