Ya, it's time to be honest about Islam...


CDNBear
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It's time to take the gloves off people.

Let's be honest here. When I discuss Natives, I'm open and honest about the fact that we are our own worst enemies, on many issues. I've never blamed "Whitie" for our failures. When it comes to Christians, they take more then their fair share of lumps for pedophile priests, to other abuses and so on.

Why is it, if you take a stand and pull no punches with the "Religion of Peace" the powers that be, suddenly whip out a shop-vac and wipe it out.

Let's be honest here, call like it is and just let the chips fall where they may.
 
karrie
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wipe it out? It strikes me that he simply put it in a new thread. Being a little melodramatic no?

If you haven't noticed, Andem has come into the forum on several occasions and requested that topics be stuck to. And, as a Christian who's had to endure the pedophile priest attacks or 'there is no God', on nearly any thread relating even remotely to religion, no mattter what it set out to discuss, I find my stance to be perfectly acceptable. I said the same thing when Avro set in on Dingus the other day and tried to highjack a thread about something else with 'there is no God'.

You are a familiar enough with forums to have quoted eanassir and started a new thread about his divisiveness within his religion, or the implications of a time of forgiveness in a religion which allows for capital punishment of the most horrific variety. But, instead, Ron had to do it for you, and in return for that you're pretending those words have been erased.
 
Kakato
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This is why I like native spirituality,it's flexible and respects the creator which can be many things but focuses mainly on mother earth and nothing else.

Only take what you need,that keeps things balanced,something us khablunas need to learn.
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

wipe it out? It strikes me that he simply put it in a new thread. Being a little melodramatic no?

If you haven't noticed, Andem has come into the forum on several occasions and requested that topics be stuck to. And, as a Christian who's had to endure the pedophile priest attacks or 'there is no God', on nearly any thread relating even remotely to religion, no mattter what it set out to discuss, I find my stance to be perfectly acceptable. I said the same thing when Avro set in on Dingus the other day and tried to highjack a thread about something else with 'there is no God'.

You are a familiar enough with forums to have quoted eanassir and started a new thread about his divisiveness within his religion, or the implications of a time of forgiveness in a religion which allows for capital punishment of the most horrific variety. But, instead, Ron had to do it for you, and in return for that you're pretending those words have been erased.

Something I appologised for with this PM.

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Remember that exchange a few days back when I was ripping into you about the God comment?

I'd like to apologies, it was unacceptable of me to do that. I know many Christians and all are nothing more than loving and caring people.

Thanks.

Brian

 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

wipe it out? It strikes me that he simply put it in a new thread. Being a little melodramatic no?

Actually, I was thinking about the HRC's and the UN when I wrote that. The escapades of the Mods pale in comparison, to the UN and the CHRC.

So the rest of your post is moot.
 
karrie
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fair enough, I hope you;ll see why I read it the way I did.
 
Kakato
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Uh oh,Ron's here,I sense a topic merge happening soon.lol!
 
Ron in Regina
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Is this above Thread, & this Thread: --

....the same Thread? Should/could they be merged? This current Thread title is way better than
what I came up with on the fly for the Thread in the link.

Quote: Originally Posted by KakatoView Post

Uh oh,Ron's here,I sense a topic merge happening soon.lol!


I'm just asking...let he who started the Thread decide.
 
Kakato
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You splelled muslims wrong anyways.
 
lone wolf
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I'm not a follower of any religion - but it would be nice to hear what people have to share without all the accusations and horror stories. Lard knows every religion has skeletons in its closet and one is no better than the other - JUST LIKE POLITICS
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by karrieView Post

fair enough, I hope you'll see why I read it the way I did.

Yes, which is why I didn't reply "aggressively".

I will admit that this instance was a catalyst, it really has no bearing on my over all opinion of how we are slowing being pacified when it comes to Islam.

As soon as it's questioned, the same people who use racial slurs in the debating of Natives (And yes, I'm referring specifically to Avro here), show up and through the bigot card, in an attempt to silence the discussion, an all to common tactic now.

The UN has mentioned Islam specifically in its protection of religions.

The HRC's have seen more cases brought forward about critics of Islam, then critics of Christianity, while taking cases that put Christians in the hot seat.

We're not talking about a religion that has in the over all, decided to adapt to the 21st century. We're talking about a religion that has decided to stay firmly rooted in the 15th. Complete with all the archaic crap associated with those dark times.

I'm quite aware of Islam's history, this isn't something I stumble about like some rednecked buffoon. Islam was experiencing it's renaissance, while Europe as still pissing on itself. It was a religion of peace at one point, yes, it used methods of spreading the word adopted and accepted at the time, yes it used manners of punishment that were not out of the norm for the era.

But we aren't in 15th century Jerusalem now are we?
 
selin
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there is also a thread about that topic- lets turn back there...
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in ReginaView Post

Is this above Thread, & this Thread: --

....the same Thread? Should/could they be merged? This current Thread title is way better than
what I came up with on the fly for the Thread in the link.




I'm just asking...let he who started the Thread decide.

No...

Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolfView Post

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I'm not a follower of any religion - but it would be nice to hear what people have to share without all the accusations and horror stories. Lard knows every religion has skeletons in its closet and one is no better than the other - JUST LIKE POLITICS

There's a huge difference between a skeleton in your closet and a 9 year old rape victim buried up to her neck in your front yard.
 
lone wolf
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No...

There's a huge difference between a skeleton in your closet and a 9 year old rape victim buried up to her neck in your front yard.

Not much if you happen to be an altar boy on your knees receiving "the blessing"
 
Kakato
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Not much if you happen to be an altar boy on your knees receiving "the blessing"

We persecute those that do that now,unlike the stonings which are still happening and sanctioned by familys and sects.

That's the difference.
 
lone wolf
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Quote: Originally Posted by KakatoView Post

We persecute those that do that now,unlike the stonings which are still happening and sanctioned by familys and sects.

That's the difference.

Still no difference to the victim. Pretty it up all you want
 
CDNBear
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Not much if you happen to be an altar boy on your knees receiving "the blessing"

I fully appreciate what you're trying to say here.

But the vile act that you are discussing, is illegal, even in Islamic states. As apposed to the summary sentencing of a 9 year old rape victim.

Now, Kakato made note of posting video's in our defence. I asked him not to.

Lone, you've known me long enough to understand I'm an asshole, I like to be hard and keep people out and away from my tender spots. I can do that with adults, because I can.

I can't do that with kids, and I've never been able to get the images out of my head, of all the children I've seen butchered and massacred.

The one, the singular video that signed the fate of Islam for me, was of a 9 year old Somali girl, the victim of a rape, being buried, and then stoned to death, for her crime of being a victim.

Lone, I can't get that out of my head.

It's horror is only kept alive by each and every account of another stoning of another person.

Just as I want each and every priest and anyone that protected, shuffled or hid their horrific deeds, to pay. I have no need for Islam in our society. It offers nothing that is compatible with what we have achieved as a nation.

Nothing.
 
Kakato
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Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolfView Post

Still no difference to the victim. Pretty it up all you want

Big difference,one lives and one dies,one has a chance for justice and one doesnt.
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolfView Post

Still no difference to the victim. Pretty it up all you want

What Kakato says, since he beat me to it, lol.
 
earth_as_one
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Another "Why we should all hate Muslims" thread? IMO, classifying an entire religion based on the actions of a few extreme individuals or a few extreme examples of injustice and cruelty is racist. Individuals are responsible for their actions.

I agree stoning people to death is barbaric. So is hanging, a firing squad and electrocution.
Last edited by earth_as_one; Aug 12th, 2010 at 06:03 PM..
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_oneView Post

Another why we should all hate Muslims thread?

Just trying to even out all your "Why we should all hate Joos" threads.




BTW eao, please note the word Islam. Because I have no issue with individual Muslims.

But hey, if you want to be a great big hypocrite, far be it for me to interfere.

I'll just sit back and ponder the similarities between the two opposing forces here.

I wonder, if you're capable of seeing it.

I just did. It was enlightening and I learned something new about myself.
Last edited by CDNBear; Aug 12th, 2010 at 06:03 PM..
 
lone wolf
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Quote: Originally Posted by KakatoView Post

Big difference,one lives and one dies,one has a chance for justice and one doesnt.

One lives. One dies. Who lives the rest of a life with the self doubts, the guilt, and the fear of being found out?

Reliving it all out in front of a Courtroom of strangers is the biggest reason most of them never come out.
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolfView Post

One lives. One dies. Who lives the rest of a life with the self doubts, the guilt, and the fear of being found out?

As an innocent party.

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Reliving it all out in front of a Courtroom of strangers is the biggest reason most of them never come out.

And able to relive it, because of the society he lives in.
 
Avro
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Quote: Originally Posted by KakatoView Post

Big difference,one lives and one dies,one has a chance for justice and one doesnt.

Wow, you actually think a child being molested by someone they trust is a lesser evil.
 
lone wolf
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Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

As an innocent party.

And able to relive it, because of the society he lives in.

Now, look from a victim's perspective. How many times have we read, right here in these very Forums, how the victim is judged and accused of jumping on some band wagon to get money? The dead are beyond suffering.
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolfView Post

Now, look from a victim's perspective. How many times have we read, right here in these very Forums, how the victim is judged and accused of jumping on some band wagon to get money?

Yep, and I'm a guilty party to that.

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The dead are beyond suffering.

To be honest Lone, I can see your point.

I can't for the life of me imagine what it must feel like to be a survivor of that.

But I can imagine not being here, not seeing my family, not hunting anymore, not having the opportunity to grow old with someone you love.

And I guess that's where I go from, and why I would like to be alive with pain, then dead and feel nothing.

Quote: Originally Posted by AvroView Post

Wow, you actually think a child being molested by someone they trust is a lesser evil.

Wow you actually read that comment that way so you could be a troll for no legitimate reason.

Amazing!
 
lone wolf
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Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

Yep, and I'm a guilty party to that.


To be honest Lone, I can see your point.

I can't for the life of me imagine what it must feel like to be a survivor of that.

But I can imagine not being here, not seeing my family, not hunting anymore, not having the opportunity to grow old with someone you love.

And I guess that's where I go from, and why I would like to be alive with pain, then dead and feel nothing.

Wow you actually read that comment that way so you could be a troll for no legitimate reason.

Amazing!

Av does have a valid point. Not only is it a betrayal of trust, there is a lot of unconscionable force involved and a lot of judgement. Worst of the judgements are from within. Can you imagine what it's like to avoid meeting someone's gaze for fear they'll look in and know? ...or never being able to give yourself completely to another person for fear you'll be betrayed again? Maybe, if you're lucky, some psychologist can help you live with it ... but the fact it happened never goes away. Physical pain is nothing in comparison to the impact living in shame has on a life.
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolfView Post

Av does have a valid point.

No he doesn't.

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Not only is it a betrayal of trust, there is a lot of unconscionable force involved and a lot of judgement. Worst of the judgements are from within.

Have you forgotten all the Christian bashing I've done over the years?

You do know you're preaching to the choir right?

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Can you imagine what it's like to avoid meeting someone's gaze for fear they'll look in and know? ...or never being able to give yourself completely to another person for fear you'll be betrayed again? Maybe, if you're lucky, some psychologist can help you live with it ... but the fact it happened never goes away. Physical pain is nothing in comparison to the impact living in shame has on a life.

I don't disagree Lone, and no, I can't imagine it all.

But like I said, I'd rather live in pain, then not live at all. I live with similar pain as it is, both mental and physical. The mental for completely different reason, but as painful none the less. And the physical pain, makes it hard to crawl out of bed sometimes. I have enough steel and plastic in me to start an erector set.
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBearView Post

It's time to take the gloves off people.

Let's be honest here. When I discuss Natives, I'm open and honest about the fact that we are our own worst enemies, on many issues. I've never blamed "Whitie" for our failures. When it comes to Christians, they take more then their fair share of lumps for pedophile priests, to other abuses and so on.

Why is it, if you take a stand and pull no punches with the "Religion of Peace" the powers that be, suddenly whip out a shop-vac and wipe it out.

Let's be honest here, call like it is and just let the chips fall where they may.


Honesty would be a nice change of pace, unfortunately, for those that get their kicks out of abusing Islam( and this also apply's to other world religions) honesty is not on the table. When you cherry pick the worst, you are not being honest or fair to the majority of that faiths followers.
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

Honesty would be a nice change of pace, unfortunately, for those that get their kicks out of abusing Islam( and this also apply's to other world religions) honesty is not on the table. When you cherry pick the worst, you are not being honest or fair to the majority of that faiths followers.

I would have to agree with Gerry H on this.
 

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