Breastfeeding Fatwa: Saudi Clerics Advocate Adult Breast-Feeding


SirJosephPorter
#1
Well, the Islamic clerics are at it again, issuing fatwas right and left. Women in Saudi Arabia should give their breast milk to male colleagues and acquaintances in order to avoid breaking strict Islamic law forbidding mixing between the sexes, two powerful Saudi clerics have said. They are at odds, however, over precisely how the milk should be conveyed.

Sheikh Al Obeikan, an adviser to the royal court and consultant to the Ministry of Justice, set off a firestorm of controversy recently when he said on TV that women who come into regular contact with men who aren't related to them ought to give them their breast milk so they will be considered relatives.

"The man should take the milk, but not directly from the breast of the woman," Al Obeikan said, according to Gulf News (external - login to view). "He should drink it and then becomes a relative of the family, a fact that allows him to come in contact with the women without breaking Islam's rules about mixing."

But his remarks were followed by an announcement by another high-profile sheik, Abi Ishaq Al Huwaini, (external - login to view) who said that men should suckle the breast milk directly from a woman's breast.

Shortly after the two sheiks weighed in on the matter, a bus driver in the country's Eastern Region reportedly told one of the female teachers whom he drives regularly that he wanted to suckle milk from her breast. The teacher has threatened to file a lawsuit against him.

It seems Islam gets weirder, more extreme, more vicious every day.

Saudi Clerics Advocate Adult Breast-Feeding - AOL News (external - login to view)
 
Colpy
#2
Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorterView Post

Well, the Islamic clerics are at it again, issuing fatwas right and left. Women in Saudi Arabia should give their breast milk to male colleagues and acquaintances in order to avoid breaking strict Islamic law forbidding mixing between the sexes, two powerful Saudi clerics have said. They are at odds, however, over precisely how the milk should be conveyed.
Sheikh Al Obeikan, an adviser to the royal court and consultant to the Ministry of Justice, set off a firestorm of controversy recently when he said on TV that women who come into regular contact with men who aren't related to them ought to give them their breast milk so they will be considered relatives.
"The man should take the milk, but not directly from the breast of the woman," Al Obeikan said, according to Gulf News. "He should drink it and then becomes a relative of the family, a fact that allows him to come in contact with the women without breaking Islam's rules about mixing."
But his remarks were followed by an announcement by another high-profile sheik, Abi Ishaq Al Huwaini, who said that men should suckle the breast milk directly from a woman's breast.
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A post from SJP that I completely agree with!!!!

Hell is indeed getting cool.
 
Kreskin
#3
Quote:

"The man should take the milk, but not directly from the breast of the woman,"

Takes all the fun out of it.
 
Machjo
#4
Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorterView Post

Well, the Islamic clerics are at it again, issuing fatwas right and left. Women in Saudi Arabia should give their breast milk to male colleagues and acquaintances in order to avoid breaking strict Islamic law forbidding mixing between the sexes, two powerful Saudi clerics have said. They are at odds, however, over precisely how the milk should be conveyed.
Sheikh Al Obeikan, an adviser to the royal court and consultant to the Ministry of Justice, set off a firestorm of controversy recently when he said on TV that women who come into regular contact with men who aren't related to them ought to give them their breast milk so they will be considered relatives.
"The man should take the milk, but not directly from the breast of the woman," Al Obeikan said, according to Gulf News. "He should drink it and then becomes a relative of the family, a fact that allows him to come in contact with the women without breaking Islam's rules about mixing."
But his remarks were followed by an announcement by another high-profile sheik, Abi Ishaq Al Huwaini, who said that men should suckle the breast milk directly from a woman's breast.
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Nothing to do with Islam. If it's not in the Qur'an or the ahadith, then it's but one man's interpretation.
 
clutch
#5
this is hilarious
 
Machjo
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by clutchView Post

this is hilarious

It's insane.
 
clutch
#7
by the way, i'm in agreement with Abi Ishaq Al Huwaini
 
Machjo
#8
Quote: Originally Posted by clutchView Post

by the way, i'm in agreement with Abi Ishaq Al Huwaini

If the woman's your wife I take it... I hope.

I ain't takin' no breastmilk from friends and relatives.
 
Cliffy
#9
I love breast milk. I think I'm going to convert. Yippy!!!!
 
Machjo
#10
The thing is though that some will assume that all Muslims worship these clerics. Now I'm sure there are some who blindly follow these clerics just as there are some who blindly follow their local priest, reverend or rabbi. But others are literate enough to read their sacred text for themselves and come up to their own conclusion.

We shouldn't confuse a cleric's fatwa with Islam.
 
Kreskin
#11
I'm all for creating a friendlier society.
 
Machjo
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

I love breast milk. I think I'm going to convert. Yippy!!!!

I'll call you a Huwainiist.
 
Kreskin
#13
Is it anything like Dairyland 2% partly skimmed?
 
Machjo
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by KreskinView Post

I'm all for creating a friendlier society.

Hmmm... by having friends and relative sucking on extended family nipples?
 
earth_as_one
#15
I agree this is both hilarious and insane. But does anyone here seriously believe this viewpoint is shared by a majority of Muslims? I'm sure we could start many threads on hilarious and insane opinions held by a few Christians or Jews.
 
Machjo
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by KreskinView Post

Is it anything like Dairyland 2% partly skimmed?

I drink soy, but hey, I wonder how breast milk would sell on the market.
 
Kreskin
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

Hmmm... by having friends and relative sucking on extended family nipples?

Ya, something like that (less the relatives).
 
Machjo
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_oneView Post

I agree this is both hilarious and insane. But does anyone here seriously believe this viewpoint is shared by a majority of Muslims? I'm sure we could start many threads on hilarious and insane opinions held by a few Christians or Jews.

Sure we could, but if it's not in the Bible its not Jewish; if it's not in the Gospel, it's not Christian; and so if it's not in the Qur'an or ahadith, then it's not Muslim.

Anything other is mere interpretation.

Quote: Originally Posted by KreskinView Post

Ya, something like that (less the relatives).

At an office get-together?

By the way, did he define how close the relationship had to be?

Now too, considering that Islam also holds to the ten commandments, which include adultery, how do these clerics defend sucking directly on the breasts of anyone other than your wife? Or do they just take adultery narrowly to mean copulation, and all else is OK? But then, how do they explain the veil as a sing of modesty?

Now breast milk in a cup could be defensible on religious grounds perhaps, but still very, very strange.
 
Cliffy
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by KreskinView Post

Is it anything like Dairyland 2% partly skimmed?

Try whole sheep's milk. Finest milk outside of mother.
 
wulfie68
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

Now too, considering that Islam also holds to the ten commandments, which include adultery, how do these clerics defend sucking directly on the breasts of anyone other than your wife? Or do they just take adultery narrowly to mean copulation, and all else is OK? But then, how do they explain the veil as a sing of modesty?

Now breast milk in a cup could be defensible on religious grounds perhaps, but still very, very strange.

The next issue, is how does this "insta-adoption process" affect things like incest? If this actually occurred then a lot of people are going to be related a lot closer than they originally thought...
 
Machjo
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by wulfie68View Post

The next issue, is how does this "insta-adoption process" affect things like incest? If this actually occurred then a lot of people are going to be related a lot closer than they originally thought...

It certainly does get confusin'.
 
coldstream
#22
You can find all kinds of gems of living the devout Islamic life. Try this from the Ayotallah Khomeini, peace be upon him..


Quote:

ďA man can have sex with animals such as sheeps, cows, camels and so on. However, he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village; however, selling the meat to the next door village should be fine - From Khomeini's book, "Tahrirolvasyleh"

 
Machjo
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by coldstreamView Post

You can find all kinds of gems of living the devout Islamic life. Try this from the Ayotallah Khomeini, peace be upon him..




Riiiggggt. Playing fast and loose on Deuteronomy 5:20 eh. Ah those pesky commandments.

Now Khomeini was responsible for the murder of many Baha'is in Iran. If you're so desperate to nail him for something, certainly you could find something truthful to nail him on, no?
 
AnnaG
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

Riiiggggt. Playing fast and loose on Deuteronomy 5:20 eh. Ah those pesky commandments.

Now Khomeini was responsible for the murder of many Baha'is in Iran. If you're so desperate to nail him for something, certainly you could find something truthful to nail him on, no?

Actually coldstream is right on the money. Khomeini said some awfully strange things. Hubby or I posted a bunch of things that were quoted from his book.

Ayatollah Ruholla Khomeini (external - login to view)

Ayatollah Khomeini: Ten Quotes by the Father of the Islamic Republic of Iran | DBKP - Death By 1000 Papercuts - DBKP (external - login to view)
 
darkbeaver
#25
And George Bush didn't?
 
AnnaG
#26
Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaverView Post

And George Bush didn't?

Didn't post a bunch of stuff from Khomeini's book? If he did, I didn't see it.
 
darkbeaver
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorterView Post

Well, the Islamic clerics are at it again, issuing fatwas right and left. Women in Saudi Arabia should give their breast milk to male colleagues and acquaintances in order to avoid breaking strict Islamic law forbidding mixing between the sexes, two powerful Saudi clerics have said. They are at odds, however, over precisely how the milk should be conveyed.
Sheikh Al Obeikan, an adviser to the royal court and consultant to the Ministry of Justice, set off a firestorm of controversy recently when he said on TV that women who come into regular contact with men who aren't related to them ought to give them their breast milk so they will be considered relatives.
"The man should take the milk, but not directly from the breast of the woman," Al Obeikan said, according to Gulf News. "He should drink it and then becomes a relative of the family, a fact that allows him to come in contact with the women without breaking Islam's rules about mixing."
But his remarks were followed by an announcement by another high-profile sheik, Abi Ishaq Al Huwaini, who said that men should suckle the breast milk directly from a woman's breast.
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How many unarmed humanitarian relief workers did they shoot in the head this week?
 
Goober
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

Riiiggggt. Playing fast and loose on Deuteronomy 5:20 eh. Ah those pesky commandments.

Now Khomeini was responsible for the murder of many Baha'is in Iran. If you're so desperate to nail him for something, certainly you could find something truthful to nail him on, no?

Along with thousands of Iranians that had the quick trial and a fast hanging just before he died about 1988 I think. Just another Nut Job. Cut from the same cloth as Imanutjob in Iran.
 
SirJosephPorter
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

The thing is though that some will assume that all Muslims worship these clerics. Now I'm sure there are some who blindly follow these clerics just as there are some who blindly follow their local priest, reverend or rabbi. But others are literate enough to read their sacred text for themselves and come up to their own conclusion.

We shouldn't confuse a cleric's fatwa with Islam.


That may be so, but this was not a fatwa by a rogue Imam or Ayatollah, this was a fatwa from the advisor to the Royal Court and consultant to the ministry of justice and as such, I assume carries considerable amount of clout. It does not matter whether majority of Muslims agree with him or not. Indeed, if this had not been uttered by such an influential person, I don't think this would be newsworthy at all.

In an Islamic dictatorship such as Saudi Arabia, official utterances are very important. As Sir Joseph Porter remarked in HMS Pinafore,

“Captain Corcoran, it is one of the happiest characteristics of this glorious country that official utterances are invariably regarded as unanswerable.”

Now here Sir Gilbert was simply poking fun at British government, but this happens to be true in Saudi Arabia. So the remarks by the cleric are not to be dismissed lightly.
 
selin
#30
he should be MORON...

Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

Nothing to do with Islam. If it's not in the Qur'an or the ahadith, then it's but one man's interpretation.

that is right.
 

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