Are we all Hindus now?

SirJosephPorter
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There is a very interesting article by Lisa Miller in The Newsweek about religion in USA.

America is not a Christian nation. We are, it is true, a nation founded by Christians, and according to a 2008 survey, 76 percent of us continue to identify as Christian (still, that's the lowest percentage in American history). Of course, we are not a Hindu—or Muslim, or Jewish, or Wiccan—nation, either. A million-plus Hindus live in the United States, a fraction of the billion who live on Earth. But recent poll data show that conceptually, at least, we are slowly becoming more like Hindus and less like traditional Christians in the ways we think about God, our selves, each other, and eternity.

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By that she means that many Christians (religious right excluded, of course) accept that there may be more than one path to the truth, that one could worship many different Gods and still achieve Salvation. That is the classical Hindu belief. Indeed, most Eastern religions (Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism, Jainism etc.) share this belief. Most of the Eastern religions can really be considered offshoots of Hinduism.

According to Ms. Miller, we are not Hindus, but American (and also I assume Canadian) society is beginning to show some Hindu traits. I tend to agree.
 
El Barto
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Yes , yes we are . now , thank you come again
 
SirJosephPorter
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Barto, executed? That is worse than Islam, isn’t it? Islam would only cut off their arms.
 
lone wolf
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Humour is wasted on this guy....
 
El Barto
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Humour is wasted on this guy....

oh well, Will have to try harder or ............come again
 
AnnaG
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"Are we all Hindus now?"
No.
 
Jamirez
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Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorterView Post

There is a very interesting article by Lisa Miller in The Newsweek about religion in USA.
America is not a Christian nation. We are, it is true, a nation founded by Christians, and according to a 2008 survey, 76 percent of us continue to identify as Christian (still, that's the lowest percentage in American history). Of course, we are not a Hindu—or Muslim, or Jewish, or Wiccan—nation, either. A million-plus Hindus live in the United States, a fraction of the billion who live on Earth. But recent poll data show that conceptually, at least, we are slowly becoming more like Hindus and less like traditional Christians in the ways we think about God, our selves, each other, and eternity.
Commentary: "We Are All Hindus Now" By: Lisa Miller (Nation-wide)
By that she means that many Christians (religious right excluded, of course) accept that there may be more than one path to the truth, that one could worship many different Gods and still achieve Salvation. That is the classical Hindu belief. Indeed, most Eastern religions (Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism, Jainism etc.) share this belief. Most of the Eastern religions can really be considered offshoots of Hinduism.
According to Ms. Miller, we are not Hindus, but American (and also I assume Canadian) society is beginning to show some Hindu...

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Where did the name Hindu come from? The term "Hindu" was created by the invader Muslims when they invaded India. The called it Hindu to refer to beliefs of the people in Hindustan (now India). (Google yourself and learn some history)

The Gurus never call it Hindu, they call it Spiritual Paths to Enlightenment. There are many ways to be enlightened that way includes christianity as well.

Maybe the right statement should be "Now Americans are more open minded to spiritual paths than before..."
 
Cliffy
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Religion is not a spiritual path. It is a rigid adherence to dogma. Religion is designed to keep adherents from reaching enlightenment because if they did they would realize they dodn't need religion or their leaders and the cash cow would dry up.
 
Nuggler
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Religion is not a spiritual path. It is a rigid adherence to dogma. Religion is designed to keep adherents from reaching enlightenment because if they did they would realize they dodn't need religion or their leaders and the cash cow would dry up.


A spiritual path is a spiritual path. If one wants to wrap oneself in religion to achieve it, and doesn't interfere or hurt others in so doing, what's the harm?

Saying the beads, meditation, dancing around beating a fukkin tom tom ..........same sh1t..

eh.
 
Johnnny
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Im not on Paper im still Roman Catholic
 
lone wolf
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Where are you roamin?
 
El Barto
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Where are you roamin?

My hands can Roam a few catholicks
 
Johnnny
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Im not a Hindu,on Paper im still Roman Catholic

fixed
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorterView Post

There is a very interesting article by Lisa Miller in The Newsweek about religion in USA.
America is not a Christian nation. We are, it is true, a nation founded by Christians, and according to a 2008 survey, 76 percent of us continue to identify as Christian (still, that's the lowest percentage in American history). Of course, we are not a Hindu—or Muslim, or Jewish, or Wiccan—nation, either. A million-plus Hindus live in the United States, a fraction of the billion who live on Earth. But recent poll data show that conceptually, at least, we are slowly becoming more like Hindus and less like traditional Christians in the ways we think about God, our selves, each other, and eternity.
Commentary: "We Are All Hindus Now" By: Lisa Miller (Nation-wide)
By that she means that many Christians (religious right excluded, of course) accept that there may be more than one path to the truth, that one could worship many different Gods and still achieve Salvation. That is the classical Hindu belief. Indeed, most Eastern religions (Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism, Jainism etc.) share this belief. Most of the Eastern religions can really be considered offshoots of Hinduism.
According to Ms. Miller, we are not Hindus, but American (and also I assume Canadian) society is beginning to show some Hindu traits. I...

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So are we all going to be cows in the next incarnation?
 
VanIsle
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So are we all going to be cows in the next incarnation?

I'm not! Enough milking going on in my life time. I'm coming back as a dog - a male dog! Lots of leg lifting in sight.
 
SirJosephPorter
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I was rather surprised to see this old thread revived.

Quote: Originally Posted by JamirezView Post

Where did the name Hindu come from? The term "Hindu" was created by the invader Muslims when they invaded India. The called it Hindu to refer to beliefs of the people in Hindustan (now India). (Google yourself and learn some history)

The term ‘Hindu was not created by Muslims. It is an old Persian term (Middle Persian Hindūk, New Persian Hindū), which the Muslims used to describe inhabitants in India. It also appears in Zend Avesta (I assume you know that that is?), Hapta Həndu, which predates Islam by thousands of years.

So the term Hindu was not created by Muslims as you seem to think. The term Hindu corresponds to the Sindhu River (Indus river) mentioned in the Vedas. The term Hapta Hindu comes from the Sanskrit phrase Sapta Sindhu (the land of seven rivers).

In short, the term Hindu has nothing whatever to do with Muslims; they may have used it when describing the inhabitants of India, but that is it. It predates Islam by thousands of years.

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If you learned it from Google (that the term Hindu was coined by the Muslims), then you have obviously been reading some Islamic website, where they would claim that everything was invented by the Muslims.
 
SirJosephPorter
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Religion is not a spiritual path. It is a rigid adherence to dogma. Religion is designed to keep adherents from reaching enlightenment because if they did they would realize they dodn't need religion or their leaders and the cash cow would dry up.

Quite so, Cliffy. Religion and spirituality are two different things. Spirituality tends to be benign, benevolent. Religion is many times malevolent.
 
AnnaG
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Quite so, Cliffy. Religion and spirituality are two different things. Spirituality tends to be benign, benevolent. Religion is many times malevolent.

Really? Buddhism, for instance?

A spiritual person can be defined as one who is in touch with their own essence. That doesn't preclude people who have a malicious nature.

A religion is simply a set of beliefs and can be "malevolent" or not.

"Ah, whatta maroon". - B Bunny

But you are right that the two are different.
 
Bar Sinister
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I'm more Buddhist actually.
 
vinod1975
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I'm more Buddhist actually.

I am also HINDU
 
Johnnny
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Iam Johnnny

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giacomo
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Really? Buddhism, for instance?

Nanjing. Harbin. Unit 731. Cambodja. Sri Lanka. Buddhism might be the worst.
 
giacomo
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Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorterView Post

Indeed, most Eastern religions (Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism, Jainism etc.) share this belief. Most of the Eastern religions can really be considered offshoots of Hinduism.

According to Ms. Miller, we are not Hindus, but American (and also I assume Canadian) society is beginning to show some Hindu traits. I tend to agree.

Dear Sir. Interesting thoughts. I agree also.

My friends say that I am Lutheran Christian, who really is Hindu.

I believe hinduism is the mother religion. Even Christianity, born out of Mithraism, Sumerian myths and Jewish-Gnostic zelotes, might be an offshoot of hinduism. And there are stories of Jesus visiting India, didn't he tell, that his real home was there?

In the -- Jesus says:

"The king asked, 'Who are you sir?' 'You should know that I am Isha Putra, the Son of God'. he replied blissfully, and 'am born of a virgin.'

" 'I am the expounder of the religion of the Mlecchas and I strictly adhere to the Absolute Truth.' Hearing this the king enquired, 'What are religious principles according to you opinion?'

"Hearing this questions of Salivahara, Isha putra said, 'O king, when the destruction of the truth occurred, I, Masiha the prophet, came to this country of degraded people where there are no rules and regulations. Finding that fearful irreligious condition of the barbarians spreading from Mleccha-Desha, I have taken to prophethood'." (Bhavishya Purana 19:23-26.)

Mlecchas means the barbarians, the non-Vedic. Jesus was calling the Jews with this name. After Jesus was crucified, some of his disciples escaped to India, for example, the Saint Thomas Christians. There are many stories in eastern scriptures about Jesus.
 
SirJosephPorter
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Dear Sir. Interesting thoughts. I agree also.

My friends say that I am Lutheran Christian, who really is Hindu.

I believe hinduism is the mother religion. Even Christianity, born out of Mithraism, Sumerian myths and Jewish-Gnostic zelotes, might be an offshoot of hinduism. And there are stories of Jesus visiting India, didn't he tell, that his real home was there?

I have a running argument with some posters here about this. My view is that Hinduism is the oldest organized religion, and most major religions have evolved from Hinduism, directly or indirectly.

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In the -- Jesus says:

"The king asked, 'Who are you sir?' 'You should know that I am Isha Putra, the Son of God'. he replied blissfully, and 'am born of a virgin.'

" 'I am the expounder of the religion of the Mlecchas and I strictly adhere to the Absolute Truth.' Hearing this the king enquired, 'What are religious principles according to you opinion?'

"Hearing this questions of Salivahara, Isha putra said, 'O king, when the destruction of the truth occurred, I, Masiha the prophet, came to this country of degraded people where there are no rules and regulations. Finding that fearful irreligious condition of the barbarians spreading from Mleccha-Desha, I have taken to prophethood'." (Bhavishya Purana 19:23-26.)

Mlecchas means the barbarians, the non-Vedic. Jesus was calling the Jews with this name. After Jesus was crucified, some of his disciples escaped to India, for example, the Saint Thomas Christians. There are many stories in eastern scriptures about Jesus.

I am a little bit familiar with Hindu mythos, but I was not aware of this. Isha Putra of course means Son of God. So Son of God who was born of a virgin? Interesting.
 
AnnaG
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Nanjing. Harbin. Unit 731. Cambodja. Sri Lanka. Buddhism might be the worst.

In comparison to Christianity, Islam, and others? I don't think so.

Hinduism has its own glitches:
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Obviously, Hinduism isn't the oldest religion, merely the oldest of the modern religions.
 
selin
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Barto, executed? That is worse than Islam, isn’t it? Islam would only cut off their arms.


It is not Islam itself cutting the arms off, it is poor-mindedpeople doing it like that and also poor-minded people understanding it how they wish.
 
AnnaG
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It is not Islam itself cutting the arms off, it is poor-mindedpeople doing it like that and also poor-minded people understanding it how they wish.

Very good point, Selin. It's the followers, not the religion.
 
Cliffy
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It is not Islam itself cutting the arms off, it is poor-mindedpeople doing it like that and also poor-minded people understanding it how they wish.

Westerners have a warped sense of Islam because they have been fed twisted information by our media to justify invading Muslim countries and killing women and children.
 
SirJosephPorter
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I am also HINDU

I pegged you for a Hindu a long time ago, Vinod. I think I did mention it here. I knew you are from India, and you are a Hindu. In fact I know somebody called Vinod. He told me Vinod means humour.
 

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