#1May 8th, 2009
Future of Religion
#2
Re: Future of Religion
May 8th, 2009
That was pretty funny. Call to action! Yes all you christians out there, hump your brains out or you will be over run by Muslims.
Hey, any young christian women want to be impregnated can call me any time, night or day.
Hey, any young christian women want to be impregnated can call me any time, night or day.
#3
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May 8th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy
I don't think it's funny at all Cliff. It should be taken very seriously. Too many young Canadians don't want to bring children into this world because of the violence there is today. I worked with a fellow who would have made a wonderful father (I don't know his wife) but they chose not to have children simply because of the way of the world today. They foster children but they won't bring one into this world themselves. That's sad.That was pretty funny. Call to action! Yes all you christians out there, hump your brains out or you will be over run by Muslims.
Hey, any young christian women want to be impregnated can call me any time, night or day.
#4
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May 8th, 2009
"It's time to wake up" the guy says. Muslim, Christian, Jainism, Hinduism, it's all based on hearsay. Few have woken up to that yet.
So Christianity dies out, it's just one less pile of dogma in the world.
One down, a dozen left to go.
So Christianity dies out, it's just one less pile of dogma in the world.
One down, a dozen left to go.
Last edited by L Gilbert; May 8th, 2009 at 02:02 PM..
#5
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May 8th, 2009
This concerns me alright... it's concerning that someone would go to the trouble of making this paranoid hateful clip.
Muslims are not insects. They do not operate on a hive mind. They're not sleeper agents about to flip and of one mind take over the world. Many Muslim sects to my understanding, much like varied Christian sects, don't even get along with one another. The fact that immigrants are coming in and having kids and giving us a tax base on which we can survive (note the beginning says our societies can't sustain themselves without it), is frankly a blessing. I'd hate to see where our elder care ends up in 40 years without immigrants.
Muslims are not insects. They do not operate on a hive mind. They're not sleeper agents about to flip and of one mind take over the world. Many Muslim sects to my understanding, much like varied Christian sects, don't even get along with one another. The fact that immigrants are coming in and having kids and giving us a tax base on which we can survive (note the beginning says our societies can't sustain themselves without it), is frankly a blessing. I'd hate to see where our elder care ends up in 40 years without immigrants.
#6
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May 8th, 2009
lol I had a inkling you might say that, Karrie. I agree, too, BTW.
#7
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May 8th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by karrie
This concerns me alright... it's concerning that someone would go to the trouble of making this paranoid hateful clip.
Muslims are not insects. They do not operate on a hive mind. They're not sleeper agents about to flip and of one mind take over the world. Many Muslim sects to my understanding, much like varied Christian sects, don't even get along with one another. The fact that immigrants are coming in and having kids and giving us a tax base on which we can survive (note the beginning says our societies can't sustain themselves without it), is frankly a blessing. I'd hate to see where our elder care ends up in 40 years without immigrants.
All right woman...... that's enough being sensible, and bashing the poor tin hatters.
P.S. and I would have given ya a green....but it won't let me.
#9
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May 8th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert
Why do we have to make it about Muslims or Christians. I think the important underlying message is that we are not producing enough people anymore in the world and that's what we should be focusing on. What people need to take note of is that it may be the Muslims who keep this world (humankind) going - populated in otherwords, with humans. It is time for a wake up call but not against Muslims for goodness sakes. It's time for people to quit being afraid to produce children. I keep hearing the same old selfish excuse that the world is not safe enough to bring children into. It's as safe as it ever was before. We just hear about things faster now due to technology."It's time to wake up" the guy says. Muslim, Christian, Jainism, Hinduism, it's all based on hearsay. Few have woken up to that yet.
So Christianity dies out, it's just one less pile of dogma in the world.
One down, a dozen left to go.
#10
Re: Future of Religion
May 8th, 2009
Yeah, keep multiplying like it says in the Bible. Multiply everything else off the planet so there's nothing but people on it. Multiply ourselves right out of food and fresh water. Good plan.
I love people. Any type of people. But I also love the planet and hate seeing people ruining it.
I love people. Any type of people. But I also love the planet and hate seeing people ruining it.
#11
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May 8th, 2009
I think he is being too simplistic. No doubt the birth rate among Muslim immigrants is high, but what is the rate among the second generation immigrants? My guess would be that it is a lot less than first generation immigrants.
Second generation Muslims are used to prosperity, they want the same standard of living as anybody else, I seriously doubt that they have seven or eight children per family.
So I am not sure I believe his projections. I think all the first generation immigrants have a high birth rate, whether Hindu, Muslim or Christian. But experience has shown that birth rate drops in subsequent generations. The number of Muslims will no doubt increase in years to come, but I am not sure it will increase that much.
Anyway, I have said all along that in Canada we should be careful who we let in. Personally I would prefer some kind of written test for immigrants, to judge how they feel about equal rights, minority rights, gay rights etc. Those with more extreme views could be kept out.
Second generation Muslims are used to prosperity, they want the same standard of living as anybody else, I seriously doubt that they have seven or eight children per family.
So I am not sure I believe his projections. I think all the first generation immigrants have a high birth rate, whether Hindu, Muslim or Christian. But experience has shown that birth rate drops in subsequent generations. The number of Muslims will no doubt increase in years to come, but I am not sure it will increase that much.
Anyway, I have said all along that in Canada we should be careful who we let in. Personally I would prefer some kind of written test for immigrants, to judge how they feel about equal rights, minority rights, gay rights etc. Those with more extreme views could be kept out.
#12
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May 8th, 2009
I think it's funny when people assume that if a chunk, not to mention a majority, of a country becomes Muslims that automatically means it will become an "Islamic Republic" and institute Shari'ah. While the term "Islamic Republic" might be slapped on (i.e. Iran), unfortunately every single Muslim country out there proves that doing so does not lead to the institution of Shari'ah, whose basis includes everyone being subject to it and no one being above it. What would most likely is that the cultures of those people who become the majority will influence the direction of said country's future. Edit: I just want to note that this is not simply my view, but a seemingly shared view amongst most of the Muslims I've ever met.
SirJosephPorter, the degree of religious observance amongst 2nd generation immigrants varies from country to country, though it seems that there is a general trend of more Western nation-born Muslims of immigrant being more practicing than their parents. However, I don't know what the percentage of 2nd generation immigrants that includes, and even within that group of those who practice Islam more than their parents there is variation in religious observance as well.
Edit: Also, to expand upon karrie's point of taking care of the elderly, most immigrant Muslims come from cultures where the family actually takes care of their elders themselves (i.e. they live with them), and therefore wouldn't be burdening the geriatric health care system as much as old-aged Canadians of non-20th century immigration background do.
SirJosephPorter, the degree of religious observance amongst 2nd generation immigrants varies from country to country, though it seems that there is a general trend of more Western nation-born Muslims of immigrant being more practicing than their parents. However, I don't know what the percentage of 2nd generation immigrants that includes, and even within that group of those who practice Islam more than their parents there is variation in religious observance as well.
Edit: Also, to expand upon karrie's point of taking care of the elderly, most immigrant Muslims come from cultures where the family actually takes care of their elders themselves (i.e. they live with them), and therefore wouldn't be burdening the geriatric health care system as much as old-aged Canadians of non-20th century immigration background do.
#13
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May 8th, 2009
Incidentally, I know several Muslim families (some of them doctors). None of them have a large family, they all have 2 or 3 children.
#14
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May 8th, 2009
I don't understand what them being doctors has to do with it, but yeah, the general trend in the Middle East for birthrates is one of decline. Instead of 8-9 kids per family, it's more like only 3-4 now.
#15
Re: Future of Religion
May 8th, 2009
The other thing is the assumption that Muslim = immigrant. It's just as common for a person of Christian background to adopt the Christian Faith as it is in reverse, perhaps even more so. According to this, such persons become immigrants by changing their religion.
Is the video implying that we should impose a Christian Theocracy to fight this?
Is the video implying that we should impose a Christian Theocracy to fight this?
#16
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May 8th, 2009
I don't like religion. They all try to dominate. It doesn't matter which one succeeds. The only tragedy is that one of them is about to and we're going to enter a dark age, probably long, brutal and bloody if history is any indicator, one that is likely to last as long as the one imposed on us by Christianity.
That is the tragedy IMO.
That is the tragedy IMO.
#17
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May 8th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by Scott Free
I don't like religion. They all try to dominate. It doesn't matter which one succeeds. The only tragedy is that one of them is about to and we're going to enter a dark age, probably long, brutal and bloody if history is any indicator, one that is likely to last as long as the one imposed on us by Christianity.
That is the tragedy IMO.
Oh yes scotty....the sky is falling, the sky is falling..... those horrible "God lovers" are gonna take over and all you poor athiests and agnostics will be burned at the stake.
#18
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May 8th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by gerryh
Really? Are you planning something - again?Oh yes scotty....the sky is falling, the sky is falling..... those horrible "God lovers" are gonna take over and all you poor athiests and agnostics will be burned at the stake.
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May 8th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by Amatullaah
That might have to do largely with the fact that not one single scrap of research I've seen has ever linked dropping birth rates with any specific religion, but rather, to the level of education amongst the women of that society. And in the last couple generations, I would hazard a guess that the education levels have risen for Middle Eastern women considerably....the general trend in the Middle East for birthrates is one of decline. Instead of 8-9 kids per family, it's more like only 3-4 now.
#20
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May 8th, 2009
It's f*ckin stupidity....when my parents were teens in the 50's it was the russian communists, when I was growing up in the 60's and 70's it was the russian AND chinese communists..... now it's those damn muslims...who's next?
#21
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May 8th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by Scott Free
Well then you can probably take some comfort in the fact that a lot of statistics on religion include people who have pasts with that religion (ie, it says they're Muslim or Catholic on their birth certificate, or they're from a 'Muslim' country), but aren't necessarily religious at all.I don't like religion.
#22
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May 8th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by gerryh
Whoever the US is at war against next I suppose? It's f*ckin stupidity....when my parents were teens in the 50's it was the russian communists, when I was growing up in the 60's and 70's it was the russian AND chinese communists..... now it's those damn muslims...who's next?
But no... it couldn't be that we're all swallowing a bunch of anti-Islam propaganda just like people used to swallow anti-communist propaganda... could it? No... surely not.
#23
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May 8th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by karrie
I do actually. People don't immigrate to Canada so they can make it like their homes otherwise they would just stay home. They are usually escaping their homes and hope for something new like wealth or freedom from something. It seems to me this offers some protection.Well then you can probably take some comfort in the fact that a lot of statistics on religion include people who have pasts with that religion (ie, it says they're Muslim or Catholic on their birth certificate, or they're from a 'Muslim' country), but aren't necessarily religious at all.
#24
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May 8th, 2009
Although I do not believe in secularism, religion has become a big business on a pyramid structure the cap on the top, is enjoying a better standard of living on the backs of the gullible, Roles Royse’s, mansions, Lear Jets, nothing but a phony world with an idolatrous eye. For these obvious reasons the Church has failed miserably in teaching the massage of spirituality.
As time goes by and the human mind gets more educated with the realities and the unanswered questions of theology, religion may find it self at a tuff spot trying to regain it worshiper base.
The Church has grown to have more power then the tax department; they never pay tax, all untaxed cash….
A total broad day light robbery.
As time goes by and the human mind gets more educated with the realities and the unanswered questions of theology, religion may find it self at a tuff spot trying to regain it worshiper base.
The Church has grown to have more power then the tax department; they never pay tax, all untaxed cash….
A total broad day light robbery.
#25
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May 8th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by Amatullaah
He's amazed that a Muslim could become a doctor, next he'll be telling you those doctors are good role models for the third world. The economy dictates how many children you can afford no matter where you live or who you are same as always.I don't understand what them being doctors has to do with it, but yeah, the general trend in the Middle East for birthrates is one of decline. Instead of 8-9 kids per family, it's more like only 3-4 now.
We can't afford to have children we have to save the bankers and the wealthy.
#26
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May 8th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by karrie
Numbers don't lie but what I find funny is the notion that Islam is somehow more dangerous than Christianity.Whoever the US is at war against next I suppose?
But no... it couldn't be that we're all swallowing a bunch of anti-Islam propaganda just like people used to swallow anti-communist propaganda... could it? No... surely not.
#27
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May 8th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver
I have observed that wealth creates a low birth rate. For example we don't need children to work the farm or look after us in our old age. Really people aren't having children because they can afford not to. The same thing will happen to Muslims that move here.The economy dictates how many children you can afford no matter where you live or who you are same as always.
We can't afford to have children we have to save the bankers and the wealthy.
#28
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May 8th, 2009Quote:
Yeah, but there a many Muslims who are doctors. If someone comes from an Arab, Desi, or Persian background and isn't either a doctor, engineer, or something that's 'professional', then their family is going to "raise hell" about it. He's amazed that a Muslim could become a doctor, next he'll be telling you those doctors are good role models for the third world.
So I don't understand why you, SirJosephPorter, would put an emphasis on a Muslim being a doctor; I guess either you were innocently using it to describe your friend, or it was a sort of Freudian slip, showing that you don't know that much about Muslims at all.
Edit: I don't think that's quite correct, Scott Free. The countries with the highest birthrates in the world are often the poorest ones. So that proves that people who can't afford to have kids still do, but they often end up dying younger than those in wealthy or developing countries do, due to lack of proper healthcare, and poverty in general. In Islam, there is the concept of 'rizq' (transliterated Arabic word), in which Muslims put their faith in Allah Ta 'Ala to provide for them and their families. Doing anything to kill children, babies, or even unborn fetuses is prohibited (except in cases of the pregnancy threatening the mother's life - but the fetus has to be less than 40 days old, which is the point at which the soul is breathed into the body). Many Muslims take this seriously, but not necessarily all those who immigrate to the West. Many people who call themselves Muslim who immigrate to Canada alone are very secular in their mindset, so the warning from the Qur'an to avoid avoiding children would not weigh heavily on their minds.
Last edited by Amatullaah; May 8th, 2009 at 05:16 PM..
#29
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May 8th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by Scott Free
I have observed that wealth creates a low birth rate. For example we don't need children to work the farm or look after us in our old age. Really people aren't having children because they can afford not to. The same thing will happen to Muslims that move here.
you're right....it's not because they can't afford it, it's the me, me, me mentality.
#30
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May 8th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by Scott Free
Yes there is truth to that in the west at least. They think they can afford not to thats for sure instead of family they expect thier investments to be there when they are old what a sad ****ing thing to choose gold over kin.I have observed that wealth creates a low birth rate. For example we don't need children to work the farm or look after us in our old age. Really people aren't having children because they can afford not to. The same thing will happen to Muslims that move here.
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