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[MHz]

Now I never noticed but the name has an 'owner', since I don't feel like paying royalties I won't use that word again. I can, however, use quotations from the Bible that use language that is more than enough to make them ashamed, if that is the purpose. While that specific event in the last century was horrific that is not the end of their troubles. They are cut down to as low as 144,000. The rest will be 'expired' by the time this verse is made manifest.

Eze:39:23:
And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity:
because they trespassed against me,
therefore hid I my face from them,
and gave them into the hand of their enemies:
so fell they all by the sword.

Even when they were not the shining lights amongst the Gentiles that they were intended to be, He gathers them as if they had been.
Eze:36:23:
And I will sanctify my great name,
which was profaned among the heathen,
which ye have profaned in the midst of them;
and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD,
saith the Lord GOD,
when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.

Eze:39:28:
Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God,
which cause them to be led into captivity among the heathen:
but I have gathered them unto their own land,
and have left none of them any more there.

Captivity in this case is death. It takes 20 different pages to prove this.

So no more saying that registered word but if I want to call somebody a ***** (or worse I have to supply a reference.
Re:17:1:
And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials,
and talked with me,
saying unto me,
Come hither;
I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great ***** that sitteth upon many waters:

Pin the tail on the AC is a popular topic with the less informed crowd.

Sooo, How important are events, that Scripture doesn't even cover in any detail, to the overall picture and can a course be charted in worldly events and prophecy. I say no, prophecy is too vague about a time includes only afew scattered verses.
Now it does have a lot to say about how the last few years will go, so some topics cannot be summed up one or two pages. Genesis 1 & 2 are good examples, nobody every gets all the points on the first read.

Question can Bible doctrine be called anti-semetic when the source of the 'thought' is from (at least two separate verse references)their own Holy Book (separate testaments, one is past, the latest one is in effect and both can be referenced)?


I also believe that Christian topic threads can appear in the restricted rooms (SC)

 

[tracy]

I wouldn't call the Bible anti-semitic, just extremely violent. I don't believe in it either though, so I don't really care.

 

[MHz]

Yes an uncivilized time in our past when wars had clearly-defined objectives.
Apparently you get to play even if you don't believe, His sandbox is the only one around.

 

[tracy]

I don't care if people think this is God's sandbox or the Tooth Fairy's. As long as they don't use their beliefs to justify violence, they are ok with me.

 

[MHz]

Shouldn't that include violence for any reason?

 

[Zzarchov]

Well it seems like there may be some legal action going on, I think we should wait till the trial concludes.

Israelites Sue God For Breach Of Covenant | The Onion - America's Finest News Source

 

[MHz]

I'll bet God can prove more than 117 breaches on their part. I don't think God will recognize an American court although America will certainly be subject to His court.

I'm familiar with that verse, is it relevant for these days or is for a bit later in the program.

 

[tracy]

Shouldn't that include violence for any reason?

No. Some reasons for violence are valid. God isn't one of them.

 

[MHz]

The NT doesn't allow for that option no matter what you have heard. It promotes not doing things that someone will see as being unjust, in a just world a crime of retaliation could not occur because there is no trigger event. How many crimes would that erase from the books?

 

[lone wolf]

Religion?... Only if it becomes another parting of the Red Sea. Every exaggeration.... Every ugly truth.... Everything....

Screw that!

 

[L Gilbert]

Speaking of breaches, according to the Bible, this god is the worst offender of his own principles. Definitely not very intelligent if all it can do is resort to massacres every time some other critter ticks it off.
Um, holocaust:

1: a sacrifice consumed by fire
2: a thorough destruction involving extensive loss of life especially through fire <a nuclear holocaust>
3 aoften capitalized : the mass slaughter of European civilians and especially Jews by the Nazis during World War II —usually used with the b: a mass slaughter of people

It appears if anyone really does own the word, it has "buts" attached to the ownership as there are other definitions of the word.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

The NT doesn't allow for that option no matter what you have heard.

Unless you're god, of course. He's one of the most violent and repulsive characters in all the world's fiction and mythology, and he doesn't come across any better in the NT than he does in the OT, he just has some people shilling for him instead of doing things himself. Matthew 10:14-15 for instance: cities that don't properly receive the disciples will be destroyed like Sodom and Gomorrah.

Tracy's right, some reasons for violence are valid and every legal system recognizes that. Here are a few: "Justifiable Homicide" Defined & Explained

 

[MHz]

Unless you're god, of course. He's one of the most violent and repulsive characters in all the world's fiction and mythology, and he doesn't come across any better in the NT than he does in the OT, he just has some people shilling for him instead of doing things himself. Matthew 10:14-15 for instance: cities that don't properly receive the disciples will be destroyed like Sodom and Gomorrah.

Tracy's right, some reasons for violence are valid and every legal system recognizes that. Here are a few: "Justifiable Homicide" Defined & Explained

It isn't like it happens without warning. These days the message is perverted as the city isn't left for God to destroy, some minions of the corrupt church take it upon themselves to cleanse it. More often than not it is the same outcome (immediate destruction) whether they accept what they are offered or not.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

These days the message is perverted...

Yes, I'd have to agree with that, but not for reasons that'll matter to you. I think you're one of the people perverting the message. I can see no reasonable justification for your version, or any version, of biblical literalism, the Bible's not internally consistent and contains demonstrable errors of fact and logic, but you've never understood or accepted those arguments. It appears to me that you flip your exegesis back and forth between literal and metaphorical modes to create a false consistency. You're trying to have it both ways, literal where it suits your views and metaphorical where what the book plainly says is false if taken literally. We've been over this ground before and clearly we each think the other is pretty much completely wrong, though I don't see that as a reason to stop talking about it. Maybe some day one of us will convince the other... :smile:

 

[L Gilbert]

lol That's a tall "maybe".

 

[MHz]

My view certainly doesn't mesh all that well with most Christian doctrines so somebody has it wrong. If the world is supposed to be 'respectful' of Christians and their message then Christians might want to stop bitch-slapping everybody they run into which is contrary to many verses and passages. On that point alone 'mainstream Christianity' is blind about their own Book.

Back in the day when there were Apostles roaming around God gave them certain abilities that they used to show people that they were sent by God. It isn't like they had a few words to say and then it was up to the listeners to believe or hit the highway. We don't have anybody like that around today, nor has there been one for the last 1900 years.

It is true I reject most current doctrines, that isn't because I don't understand what they are saying, or trying to say, it is because they have conflicting verses or it isn't consistant with the way God has operated in the past.
If you don't like the fact that God can and has killed humans then that is really of little concern to Him in the overall picture. You are simple judging God based on what is happening in the middle of the book rather than the way things will stand at the end of the book.
There is nothing wrong with considering the literal before the figurative. The literal cannot be rejected based on what our abilities are. Resurrection (back)to life is literal, our brains cannot handle that so some have changed it to mean 'becoming a believer who now sees the light' (their reasons maybe even darker than the one I gave).
For all the 'wise' people who have studied Scripture even a little or close to a life-time one of the easiest mysteries to solve is the identity of the 'beloved Disciple'. Even the Vatican has no opinion as far as I know other than "It was John.". (opinion based on a study that includes some verses as references) Saying look at the name is not an in-depth study. If that cannot be 'solved' then why should anybody listen to what they have to say on parts of the Bible that are a lot more complex than who that person is. The very best cop-out on that topic is that it doesn't matter. They have both been taught by men and I doubt they have had much slack in 'contemplating' what each verse can mean.

 

[petros]

I think it's high time religion stopped feeding a literal interpretation of the bible and let the hidden gnosis flow to the unenlightened bringing them true salvation and an altruistic lifestyle and global unity.

There is far more to all religions than meets the eye.