The Original Sin

bluebyrd35
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Original sin is unknown in Judaism. Jesus was first and foremost a Jew and was emphatic on that point. The concept of Original sin appears to come from Paul the Apostle, who in my opinion was a woman hater. (He certainly was jealous of Jesus's relationship with Mary Magdelaine) It then developed further in the 2nd century in opposition to Gnostic dualism.

It describes the lack of the "state of holiness & perfect charity" into which humans are born.

How odd that inspite of trying for the stars, discovering the beginning of the formation of the Universe, steadily finding more and more clues to how life begins, we still need our fairy tales. When do you suppose, humanity will start researching the universal life/death/evolution cycle of which all existence is composed instead of forming yet more religions??

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JLM said:

"Yet they get aborted without having a say. Hyprocrisy runs rampant."

I would like to rephrase that - hopefully with JLM's approval: Yet they get executed, even before birth, in their mother's womb, without a trial.

Feels good to quote (at least partially) the KING of all hypocrites, SirJosephPorter, wherever he might be.

Does anyone think that he bailed here, because he did not want to eat crow seeing the results of the American Elections on November 2nd?

I noticed somewhere in here the claim that the bible states life begins at conception. Wrong. The bible states quite the opposite right from Genesis 2.7. Life begins with the first breath. See Job 33.4 or Ezekial 37: 5 & 6. Before that a fetus is merely tissue. A man may be obliged to pay a price to a husband or father, for taking the life of a woman but not for the loss of the unborn.

In this modern law as it is many other areas, much less contemptuous of life than the bible. Much better than some of the practices back then of limiting one's family.

What is this about Elections in a thread about Original sin??
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by bluebyrd35View Post

Original sin is unknown in Judaism. Jesus was first and foremost a Jew and was emphatic on that point. The concept of Original sin appears to come from Paul the Apostle, who in my opinion was a woman hater. (He certainly was jealous of Jesus's relationship with Mary Magdelaine) It then developed further in the 2nd century in opposition to Gnostic dualism.
It describes the lack of the "state of holiness & perfect charity" into which humans are born.
How odd that inspite of trying for the stars, discovering the beginning of the formation of the Universe, steadily finding more and more clues to how life begins, we still need our fairy tales. When do you suppose, humanity will start researching the universal life/death/evolution cycle of which all existence is composed instead of forming yet more religions??
I noticed somewhere in here the claim that the bible states life begins at conception. Wrong. The bible states quite the opposite right from Genesis 2.7. Life begins with the first breath. See Job 33.4 or Ezekial 37: 5 & 6. Before that a fetus is merely tissue. A man may be obliged to pay a price to a husband or father, for taking the life of a woman but not for the loss of the unborn.

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I think what the Bible says is largely irrelevant, in a book the size of the Bible, if a person looks hard enough he can find a quote saying just about anything he wants. It preaches mercy, it preaches hell and brimstone, it's a damn good story book.
 
lone wolf
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The original sin - in my opinion - came the first time man felt remorse then found someone else to blame for his error
 
bluebyrd35
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I think what the Bible says is largely irrelevant, in a book the size of the Bible, if a person looks hard enough he can find a quote saying just about anything he wants. It preaches mercy, it preaches hell and brimstone, it's a damn good story book.

Yes, it is a fairy tale, so I ask why use it as a basis for judging such things as women's abortion rights, or whether babies are born sinful or innocent??

It was meant (the bible) as a guide (allegorical) for tribal barbarians so, why use it to justify gender, religious or racial prejudice?.? It was a fairy tale back then, and nothing has changed over two thousand years plus. It has served as a divisive force and an excuse for vicious behaviour since it saw the light of day.
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JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by bluebyrd35View Post

Yes, it is a fairy tale, so I ask why use it as a basis for judging such things as women's abortion rights, or whether babies are born sinful or innocent??

It was meant (the bible) as a guide (allegorical) for tribal barbarians so, why use it to justify gender, religious or racial prejudice?.? It was a fairy tale back then, and nothing has changed over two centuries. It has served as a divisive force and an excuse for vicious behaviour since it saw the light of day.

Ya talkin' two milleniums?
 
bluebyrd35
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The original sin - in my opinion - came the first time man felt remorse then found someone else to blame for his error

Try thinking about it as bad human behaviour rather than "sin" Sin implies an act against God/Spirit rather than against oneself. We injure ourselves through bad behaviour not a Universal Creator, (if something like that exists)

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Ya talkin' two milleniums?

OOPS ......right!! Meant to say two thousand years plus but got side-tracked.
 

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