#1Oct 7th, 2008
Religulous the movie
#3
Re: Religulous the movie
Oct 8th, 2008
I'm looking forward to this movie as well. Being called stupid for two hours will probably toughen up my skin a bit.
#4
Re: Religulous the movie
Oct 8th, 2008
I don't think he calls people stupid, just points out the irrationality of religion. Most religious people would admit that faith isn't rational anyways. I think it makes a good case for why some of us aren't religious and why that's a reasonable position to take.
#5
Re: Religulous the movie
Oct 8th, 2008
Hubby and I saw it opening night. It was well worth it, I can assure you! We spent most of the evening laughing. He asks a lot of good questions, some of which require a lot of serious thought. It's just the right mix of humor and seriousness. I thought it was very well done.
#6
Re: Religulous the movie
Oct 8th, 2008
I seen a few quick blurbs on the movie prior to release in theatres..... looked pretty funny. I'll have to check it out.
#7
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Oct 8th, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by tracy
Whoa, whoa, whoa....back the train up. Are you trying to say that anybody that believes in God is irrational?I don't think he calls people stupid, just points out the irrationality of religion. Most religious people would admit that faith isn't rational anyways. I think it makes a good case for why some of us aren't religious and why that's a reasonable position to take.
#8
Re: Religulous the movie
Oct 8th, 2008
There was an E-Mail went accross my desk about a week ago-gist was to boycott this and make sure everyone knew that they portray Jesus and his disciples as gay men. Haven't heard of any picketts and demonstrators though.
#9
Re: Religulous the movie
Oct 8th, 2008
I'm looking forward to seeing it.
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so they weren't happy afterall? Maybe they started the original emo movement then...There was an E-Mail went accross my desk about a week ago-gist was to boycott this and make sure everyone knew that they portray Jesus and his disciples as gay men
#10
Re: Religulous the movie
Oct 11th, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by alleywayzalwayz
The belief in something you can't prove isn't rational. It doesn't mean they are irrational in general, but yes faith is irrational. That's the point of it. If all the tenets of religion could be proven, why would faith be special?Whoa, whoa, whoa....back the train up. Are you trying to say that anybody that believes in God is irrational?
#11
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Oct 11th, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by jjaycee98
I never got that out of the movie (unless it was when I took a bathroom break). He did point out the truth which is that Jesus never talked about homosexuality and Bill Maher poked fun of the ex-gay movement. I think he really believes Jesus was just made up. That may offend a lot of Christians.There was an E-Mail went accross my desk about a week ago-gist was to boycott this and make sure everyone knew that they portray Jesus and his disciples as gay men. Haven't heard of any picketts and demonstrators though.
#12
Re: Religulous the movie
Oct 11th, 2008
His point isn't that faith is wrong,
He himself claims often he is not an athiest. His claim is that certainty about faith seems pretty stupid.
If you sit there and think about whats going on.
Someone comes up to you and says "Hey, this guy said 2000 years ago this other guy was born as the child of god, except he was also god, and a ghost..so he's kind of his own grandpa, and he knocked up a virgin, and there was some other stuff about rising from the dead and walking on water, and I can't prove any of this, but hey, wanna go accept it as real and tell some gay people they are evil?"
That would seem pretty off.. I mean, if you are just going to trust that a book other people have written is true "scouts honour" with no proof, why would you accept Christian doctrine but reject Islamic Doctrine?
How could you know which one is true?
He himself claims often he is not an athiest. His claim is that certainty about faith seems pretty stupid.
If you sit there and think about whats going on.
Someone comes up to you and says "Hey, this guy said 2000 years ago this other guy was born as the child of god, except he was also god, and a ghost..so he's kind of his own grandpa, and he knocked up a virgin, and there was some other stuff about rising from the dead and walking on water, and I can't prove any of this, but hey, wanna go accept it as real and tell some gay people they are evil?"
That would seem pretty off.. I mean, if you are just going to trust that a book other people have written is true "scouts honour" with no proof, why would you accept Christian doctrine but reject Islamic Doctrine?
How could you know which one is true?
#13
Re: Religulous the movie
Nov 23rd, 2008
Whoa, whoa, whoa....back the train up. Are you trying to say that anybody that believes in God is irrational?
Alleyway,
Belief in god may not be irrational if one has an experience that leads one to believe they have had a religious experience of god, but religion only requires blind belief in someone else's interpretation of dusty old writings. It is the belief that what you believe is truer than what everybody else believes that is irrational. With thousands of variants in christianity alone, how can anybody be sure their version is better than others?
No one has ever become enlightened that did not first pay their dues buy doing battle with their own demons, spending the time by their self to clear the clutter from their heads so they can listen to and hear the still small voice that speaks to them from the heart. This does not require religion or gods. But it does require a commitment to finding the truth. Accepting someone else's version is a lazy man's way and will lead down blind alleys and leave you in the dark.
Alleyway,
Belief in god may not be irrational if one has an experience that leads one to believe they have had a religious experience of god, but religion only requires blind belief in someone else's interpretation of dusty old writings. It is the belief that what you believe is truer than what everybody else believes that is irrational. With thousands of variants in christianity alone, how can anybody be sure their version is better than others?
No one has ever become enlightened that did not first pay their dues buy doing battle with their own demons, spending the time by their self to clear the clutter from their heads so they can listen to and hear the still small voice that speaks to them from the heart. This does not require religion or gods. But it does require a commitment to finding the truth. Accepting someone else's version is a lazy man's way and will lead down blind alleys and leave you in the dark.
#14
Re: Religulous the movie
Nov 23rd, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by jjaycee98
Too bad. Some pickets and demonstrations will send the ticket sale through the roof.There was an E-Mail went accross my desk about a week ago-gist was to boycott this and make sure everyone knew that they portray Jesus and his disciples as gay men. Haven't heard of any picketts and demonstrators though.
#15
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Nov 23rd, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by alleywayzalwayz
You got it, except you are not phrasing it right. The belief in God is irrational, that does not make the person who believes in God irrational. He may be perfectly rational person in all other aspects of life. He may hold just this one irrational belief. That does not necessarily make him an irrational person.Whoa, whoa, whoa....back the train up. Are you trying to say that anybody that believes in God is irrational?
#16
Re: Religulous the movie
Nov 23rd, 2008
I haven’t seen the movie, but Bill Maher is a very talented, very gifted comic. I still remember his cameo appearance in the sitcom ‘Dharma and Greg’.
In that, Greg is running for city council and is caught having sex with a woman in his car. That causes a scandal, until it is revealed that the woman was his wife.
Bill Maher had a small cameo, and he was commenting on the incidence.
“Well, I don’t know what to make of this politician. He was having sex with his wife, so obviously he can’t be a Democrat. But he was having sex, so he can’t be a Republican.”
In that, Greg is running for city council and is caught having sex with a woman in his car. That causes a scandal, until it is revealed that the woman was his wife.
Bill Maher had a small cameo, and he was commenting on the incidence.
“Well, I don’t know what to make of this politician. He was having sex with his wife, so obviously he can’t be a Democrat. But he was having sex, so he can’t be a Republican.”
#17
Re: Religulous the movie
Nov 23rd, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorter
Sir Joe: I know you are expecting this. The lack of belief in God is irrational - not the other way around. I know beyond a doubt that you believe what you are saying is as true as me believing what I am saying. I also believe it is wrong for you to make such a statement. It's one thing to state it is your belief that a person who believes in God is irrational in that belief but quite another to state they are irrational in that belief. You are not anymore knowledgeable regarding the existance of God than myself or anyone else is. You as an atheist have your beliefs - irrational or otherwise regarding God and/or religion and I as a christian, have mine. You are stating it as a fact and there is no way of knowing that and while we walk this earth, there never will be. One member of your family believes in God and one does not. Do you actually believe that one member is irrational in that belief?You got it, except you are not phrasing it right. The belief in God is irrational, that does not make the person who believes in God irrational. He may be perfectly rational person in all other aspects of life. He may hold just this one irrational belief. That does not necessarily make him an irrational person.
#18
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Nov 23rd, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy
Regarding believing in God or for that matter for believing or not believing in anything or anyone, the underlined message above shows that truer words have not been spoken!Whoa, whoa, whoa....back the train up. Are you trying to say that anybody that believes in God is irrational?
Alleyway,
Belief in god may not be irrational if one has an experience that leads one to believe they have had a religious experience of god, but religion only requires blind belief in someone else's interpretation of dusty old writings. It is the belief that what you believe is truer than what everybody else believes that is irrational. With thousands of variants in christianity alone, how can anybody be sure their version is better than others?
No one has ever become enlightened that did not first pay their dues buy doing battle with their own demons, spending the time by their self to clear the clutter from their heads so they can listen to and hear the still small voice that speaks to them from the heart. This does not require religion or gods. But it does require a commitment to finding the truth. Accepting someone else's version is a lazy man's way and will lead down blind alleys and leave you in the dark.
#19
Re: Religulous the movie
Nov 23rd, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy
Cliff, there will never be a day when you will know what part of those dusty old writings as you call them, are true. It's un-realistic to say all we read in the bible is the absolute truth and equally un-realistic to say otherwise. History is history and there has to be lots of truths in there.Whoa, whoa, whoa....back the train up. Are you trying to say that anybody that believes in God is irrational?
Alleyway,
Belief in god may not be irrational if one has an experience that leads one to believe they have had a religious experience of god, but religion only requires blind belief in someone else's interpretation of dusty old writings. It is the belief that what you believe is truer than what everybody else believes that is irrational. With thousands of variants in christianity alone, how can anybody be sure their version is better than others?
No one has ever become enlightened that did not first pay their dues buy doing battle with their own demons, spending the time by their self to clear the clutter from their heads so they can listen to and hear the still small voice that speaks to them from the heart. This does not require religion or gods. But it does require a commitment to finding the truth. Accepting someone else's version is a lazy man's way and will lead down blind alleys and leave you in the dark.
#20
Re: Religulous the movie
Nov 23rd, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by tracy
Tracy: Do you believe in love? How do you prove to someone that you love them. How does someone prove their love to you? Not hugs, kisses or anything else proves love but we all believe in it. Does that make that belief irrational?The belief in something you can't prove isn't rational. It doesn't mean they are irrational in general, but yes faith is irrational. That's the point of it. If all the tenets of religion could be proven, why would faith be special?
#21
Re: Religulous the movie
Nov 23rd, 2008
IslandSpecific,
and for a religious person, you are perceptive beyond my expectation.
and for a religious person, you are perceptive beyond my expectation.
#22
Re: Religulous the movie
Nov 23rd, 2008
IslandSpecific,
I know there is wisdom and truth in the bible but to believe that it is the word of god in spite of all the evidence to the contrary, is irrational. There is wisdom and truth in almost every book written. To chose one and say it is the only one is to put on blinders and miss out on 99.9999999999999999% of the truth and wisdom in the world. All religions have a common origin. What man has done with it is appalling.
I know there is wisdom and truth in the bible but to believe that it is the word of god in spite of all the evidence to the contrary, is irrational. There is wisdom and truth in almost every book written. To chose one and say it is the only one is to put on blinders and miss out on 99.9999999999999999% of the truth and wisdom in the world. All religions have a common origin. What man has done with it is appalling.
#23
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Nov 23rd, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy
So true Cliff - but - how will we ever know how badly man has screwed it up? I don't know the bible like you, Sirrup or Spade seem to but I still know that some of what I have read is beyond belief. Perhaps that is why I have a hard time reading it. I can only read just so far and then I know that all I am doing is trying to read but my mind is off somewhere doing other things.IslandSpecific,
I know there is wisdom and truth in the bible but to believe that it is the word of god in spite of all the evidence to the contrary, is irrational. There is wisdom and truth in almost every book written. To chose one and say it is the only one is to put on blinders and miss out on 99.9999999999999999% of the truth and wisdom in the world. All religions have a common origin. What man has done with it is appalling.
Oh well! I do try to read it sometimes. For as much as I believe in God, I still find that the bible is not my first choice in reading material. I have a lot of bibles in my house - their pages remained closed most of the time. #24
Re: Religulous the movie
Nov 23rd, 2008
Have you read the 4 Gospels, they have the best outline of things as seen through Jesus' eyes?
#25
Re: Religulous the movie
Nov 23rd, 2008
MHz,
Do you have one of those bibles that has the words of Jesus in red. I once read only the red bits and came away with something I could say was true. I concluded that the black bits are just myth.
Do you have one of those bibles that has the words of Jesus in red. I once read only the red bits and came away with something I could say was true. I concluded that the black bits are just myth.
#26
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Nov 23rd, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy
That's true, but when you compare Scripture to the way it is currently practiced there is a huge difference. If the practices of today are in error then that means the original Scriptures are valid in what subjects they cover. What man has done with it is appalling.
The NT does not advocate kill thy neighbor (and all men are neighbors because we are all Gentiles) so the practice of killing each other is wrong.
#27
Re: Religulous the movie
Nov 23rd, 2008
MHz,
Then you don't believe in capital punishment. I don't either but sometimes I think that mass murders like George Dubbya and his cohorts should pay for their crimes against humanity.
Then you don't believe in capital punishment. I don't either but sometimes I think that mass murders like George Dubbya and his cohorts should pay for their crimes against humanity.
#28
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Nov 23rd, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy
Actually I did read those Books in a Bible that had the quotes in red. (weighed about 10 lbs and covered your whole lap. LOL)When I included the other words it was more like a soap opera than a 'quite long sermon'.MHz,
Do you have one of those bibles that has the words of Jesus in red. I once read only the red bits and came away with something I could say was true. I concluded that the black bits are just myth.
By dismissing the black letters did that also mean you missed this part. The character of Jesus (His moral code) meant that when the story of the adulteress that was in danger of being stoned to death was never mentioned by name, nor was the sinner woman who dried His feet with her hair mentioned by name, yet (to give us the whole story) their names were given after those incidents and they had become followers of Jesus). Now they are remembered that way rather than as sinners. Joanna and Susanna if you didn't already have that figured out.
#29
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Nov 23rd, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy
It isn't something that is likely to apply to me, at least at this time.....I kind of like the way Neb took care of 'enemies of the state', he killed them (threw them to the lions, literally, then he threw all the relatives in also). But then you only see the Bible as myths don't you?MHz,
Then you don't believe in capital punishment. I don't either but sometimes I think that mass murders like George Dubbya and his cohorts should pay for their crimes against humanity.
I would think that if that was going to happen it would have already happened. When a country says they know something is evil and their only way to rectify that that is the next election (usually a few years away at best) then you know it isn't that big of a deal to them, after 7 or 8 years and things are the same you can pretty much bet the farm it was a lie right from the start.
I can see why most countries want nothing to do with them anymore. Bribes and intimidation are their only working tools anymore.
Last edited by MHz; Nov 23rd, 2008 at 11:31 PM..
#30
Re: Religulous the movie
Nov 23rd, 2008
MHz,
I think the bible is a lie by omission. I have read many of the christian writings of the time between when JC supposedly lived and when Constantine ordered the bible put together three hundred years later. I am more partial to the Gnostic Gospels, as they are more in true with my own view of things. Without their inclusion, the bible is just a tool of oppression.
I think the bible is a lie by omission. I have read many of the christian writings of the time between when JC supposedly lived and when Constantine ordered the bible put together three hundred years later. I am more partial to the Gnostic Gospels, as they are more in true with my own view of things. Without their inclusion, the bible is just a tool of oppression.
Last edited by Cliffy; Nov 23rd, 2008 at 11:44 PM..
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