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February 28th, 2007, 08:22 AM
Origin of the term:
There is general agreement that the word "Pagan" comes from the Latin word "paganus." Unfortunately, there is no consensus on the precise meaning of the word in the fifth century CE and before. There are three main interpretations. 16 None has won general acceptance:
Most modern Pagan sources interpret the word to have meant "rustic," "hick," or "country bumpkin" -- a pejorative term. The implication was that Christians used the term to ridicule country folk who tenaciously held on to what the Christians considered old-fashioned, outmoded Pagan beliefs. Those in the country were much slower in adopting the new religion of Christianity than were the city folks. They still followed the Greek state religion, Roman state religion, Mithraism, various mystery religions, etc., long after those in urban areas had converted. Some believe that in the early Roman Empire, "paganus" came to mean "civilian" as opposed to "military." Christians often called themselves "miles Christi" (Soldiers of Christ). The non-Christians became "pagani" -- non-soldiers or civilians. No denigration would be implied.C. Mohrmann suggests that the general meaning was any "outsider," -- a neutral term -- and that the other meanings, "civilian" and "hick," were merely specialized uses of the term. 17
By the third century CE, its meaning evolved to include all non-Christians. Eventually, it became an evil term that implied the possibility of Satan worship. The latter two meanings are still in widespread use today.
There is no generally accepted, single, current definition for the word "Pagan." The word is among the terms that the newsgroup alt.usage.english, calls "skunk words." They have varied meanings to different people. The field of religion is rife with such words. consider: Christian, cult, hell, heaven, occult, Paganism, pluralism, salvation, Witch, Witchcraft, Unitarian Universalist, Voodoo, etc. Each has so many meanings that they often cause misunderstandings wherever they are used. Unfortunately, most people do not know this, and naturally assume that the meaning that they have been taught is universally accepted. A reader must often look at the context in which the word is used in order to guess at the intent of the writer.
We recognize that many Wiccans, Neopagans, and others regularly use the terms "Pagan" and "Paganism" to describe themselves. Everyone should be free to continue whatever definitions that they wish. However, the possibility of major confusion exists -- particularly if one is talking to a general audience. When addressing non-Wiccans or non-Neopagans, it is important that the term:
Be carefully defined in advance, or thatIts meaning is clearly understandable from the text's context.
Otherwise, the speaker or writer will be referring to one group of people, while the listeners or readers will assume that other groups are being referred to.
Origin of the term:
There is general agreement that the word "Pagan" comes from the Latin word "paganus." Unfortunately, there is no consensus on the precise meaning of the word in the fifth century CE and before. There are three main interpretations. 16 None has won general acceptance:
Most modern Pagan sources interpret the word to have meant "rustic," "hick," or "country bumpkin" -- a pejorative term. The implication was that Christians used the term to ridicule country folk who tenaciously held on to what the Christians considered old-fashioned, outmoded Pagan beliefs. Those in the country were much slower in adopting the new religion of Christianity than were the city folks. They still followed the Greek state religion, Roman state religion, Mithraism, various mystery religions, etc., long after those in urban areas had converted. Some believe that in the early Roman Empire, "paganus" came to mean "civilian" as opposed to "military." Christians often called themselves "miles Christi" (Soldiers of Christ). The non-Christians became "pagani" -- non-soldiers or civilians. No denigration would be implied.C. Mohrmann suggests that the general meaning was any "outsider," -- a neutral term -- and that the other meanings, "civilian" and "hick," were merely specialized uses of the term. 17By the third century CE, its meaning evolved to include all non-Christians. Eventually, it became an evil term that implied the possibility of Satan worship. The latter two meanings are still in widespread use today.
There is no generally accepted, single, current definition for the word "Pagan." The word is among the terms that the newsgroup alt.usage.english, calls "skunk words." They have varied meanings to different people. The field of religion is rife with such words. consider: Christian, cult, hell, heaven, occult, Paganism, pluralism, salvation, Witch, Witchcraft, Unitarian Universalist, Voodoo, etc. Each has so many meanings that they often cause misunderstandings wherever they are used. Unfortunately, most people do not know this, and naturally assume that the meaning that they have been taught is universally accepted. A reader must often look at the context in which the word is used in order to guess at the intent of the writer.
We recognize that many Wiccans, Neopagans, and others regularly use the terms "Pagan" and "Paganism" to describe themselves. Everyone should be free to continue whatever definitions that they wish. However, the possibility of major confusion exists -- particularly if one is talking to a general audience. When addressing non-Wiccans or non-Neopagans, it is important that the term:
Be carefully defined in advance, or thatIts meaning is clearly understandable from the text's context.Otherwise, the speaker or writer will be referring to one group of people, while the listeners or readers will assume that other groups are being referred to.
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February 28th, 2007, 08:23 AM
Seven definitions of "Pagan:"
First meaning: Pagans consist of Wiccans and other Neopagans:
We recommend that this should be the primary definition of "Pagan," for the simple reason that many Wiccans and other Neopagans embrace the term for themselves. "Paganism" in this sense refers to a range of spiritual paths which are Earth centered -- involving their members living in harmony with the Earth and observing its cycles. These are often Neopagan religions based on the deities, symbols, practices, seasonal days of celebration and other surviving components of ancient religions, which had been long suppressed. For example:The Druidic religion is based on the faith and practices of the ancient Celtic professional class; Followers of Asatru adhere to the ancient, pre-Christian Norse religion; Wiccans trace their roots back to the pre-Celtic era in Europe. Other Neo-pagans follow ancient Roman, Greek, Egyptian and other traditions.
Some typical quotations which demonstrate this meaning of "Pagan" are:
"Witchcraft, or Wicca, is considered part of the occult, but has little relationship to Satanism. Wicca is pagan (pre-Christian, as opposed to anti-Christian) and is currently gaining popularity." 1"Witches do not worship the devil...Witches are more interested in magical arts and the divinity of nature...Wiccans are considered pagans because they worship several nature gods instead of a single god." 2"The World Christian Encyclopedia estimates 6 million Americans profess to be witches and engage in practices like these. They are a sub-group of over 10 million persons the encyclopedia says call themselves pagans, who practice "primitive" religions such as Druidism, Odin worship and Native American shamanism." 3
In this sense, "Pagan" refers to a group of religious traditions, and should be capitalized, as Christianity, Islam and Judaism are.
Second meaning: Pagans are people to hate:
Religious and social conservatives sometimes use "Pagan" as a general purpose "snarl" word to refer to cultures or religions that are very different from the speaker's. There is no general consensus as to meaning. It can be seen directed at any religious or cultural group that the speaker hates. Some examples: 
Dr. John Patrick, professor at the University of Ottawa, Canada was discussing at a conference the number of abortions performed worldwide. He said: "Gods and goddesses are beginning to re-inhabit the Western world. Infant sacrifice - there are 52 million a year. It is paganism." 4Dr. Richard Swenson, director of the Future Health Study Center. said at the same conference: "We went into post-Christian and neopaganism very quickly...We want the culture to change, we want some spiritual sanity, but we need to understand that this is a pluralistic and even neopaganist society." 4Jerry Falwell appeared as a guest on Pat Robertson's "700 Club" program on 2001-SEP-13. He said that God became sufficiently angry at America that he engineered the terrorist attack on New York City and Washington-- presumably to send Americans a message. He said: "I really believe that the Pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians ...all of them who have tried to secularize America - I point the finger in their face and say 'you helped this happen.' " Pat Robertson responded: "Well, I totally concur..." 15 [We have asked Falwell's office via repeated Emails to tell us exactly to whom he was referring with the word "Pagans." They declined to respond.] More details.
Third meaning: Pagans are ancient polytheists:
The term "Pagan" is sometimes used to refer to ancient polytheistic religions. The Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary defines "pagan" as: "belonging to a religion which worships many gods, especially one which existed before the main world religions." 18
The Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament) contains many references to the societies surrounding the Israelites -- Babylonians, Canaanites, Philistines, etc. These are commonly referred to as Pagans:
There are allegations that these societies engaged in human sacrifices: II Kings 3:26-27: "...the king of Moab...took his eldest son that should have reigned in his stead, and offered him for a burnt offering upon the wall."Psalms 106:37-38: "Yea, they sacrificed their sons and their daughters unto devils, And shed innocent blood, even the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan: and the land was polluted with blood."Their altars were often referred to as "high places:" II Kings 16:4: "And he sacrificed and burnt incense in the high places, and on the hills, and under every green tree."Surrounding tribes were viewed as committing idolatry by worshiping golden images of animals: II Kings 17:16: "And they left all the commandments of the LORD their God, and made them molten images, even two calves, and made a grove, and worshipped all the host of heaven, and served Baal."
Some current examples of this usage are:Referring to sun wheels and obelisks: "...These symbols of pagan sun worship were associated with Baal worship, or Baalim, which is strongly condemned in scripture. So why are they so prevalent in the Roman Catholic Church, if they are associated with paganism and apostasy?" An anti-Catholic essay on a conservative Protestant Christian web site. 5Ancient faiths of ancient Celtic, Egypt, Greece, Norse, Rome, and other cultures are frequently referred to as Pagan religions. Even though many of these religions had strict social and sexual behavioral codes, their followers are often portrayed as hedonist and immoral: 1 Peter 4:3: "For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries."Fourth meaning: Pagans follow Aboriginal religions:
Paganism is occasionally used to refer to animistic, spirits-and-essences filled belief systems. These are based upon direct perception of the forces of nature and usually involves the use of idols, talismans and taboos in order to convey respect for these forces and beings. Many native, aboriginal religions fit this definition.
Fifth meaning: Pagans are followers of non-Abrahamic religions:
A rare use of "Pagan" is to describe a person who does not follow an main Abrahamic religion. That is, their faith does not recognize Abraham as a patriarch. The individual is neither Christian, Muslim, Baha'i nor Jew. This includes Agnostics, Atheists, Buddhists, Hindus, Humanists, Taoists, etc. About 45% of the people of the world are Pagans, by this definition.
Sixth meaning: Pagans don't belong to any of the main religions of the world:
The Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary gives an alternative definition of the word "pagan" as: "relating to religious beliefs that do not belong to any of the main religions of the world" 18 This definition is rather vague, because it does not describe how a "main religion of the world" is defined. If it is any religion with more than, say, 1% of the world's population (i.e. 60 million members, then: Aboriginal religions, Atheism, Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism, Islam, Taoism would be non-pagan, whereas Judaism, Sikhism, Confucianism, the Baha'i World Faith, Wicca, Zoroastrianism etc. would be pagan. I doubt that many members of the latter religions would be happy with their classification.
Seventh meaning: Pagans are Atheists, Agnostics, Humanists, etc:
The term "Pagan" was widely used by Atheists, Agnostics, Humanists, etc. to refer to themselves. The word was also used by others to describe these groups. The usage dropped after the rise of Neopaganism in the middle of the 20th century, and is rarely seen today.
Seven definitions of "Pagan:"
We recommend that this should be the primary definition of "Pagan," for the simple reason that many Wiccans and other Neopagans embrace the term for themselves. "Paganism" in this sense refers to a range of spiritual paths which are Earth centered -- involving their members living in harmony with the Earth and observing its cycles. These are often Neopagan religions based on the deities, symbols, practices, seasonal days of celebration and other surviving components of ancient religions, which had been long suppressed. For example:
The Druidic religion is based on the faith and practices of the ancient Celtic professional class; Followers of Asatru adhere to the ancient, pre-Christian Norse religion; Wiccans trace their roots back to the pre-Celtic era in Europe. Other Neo-pagans follow ancient Roman, Greek, Egyptian and other traditions. Some typical quotations which demonstrate this meaning of "Pagan" are:
"Witchcraft, or Wicca, is considered part of the occult, but has little relationship to Satanism. Wicca is pagan (pre-Christian, as opposed to anti-Christian) and is currently gaining popularity." 1"Witches do not worship the devil...Witches are more interested in magical arts and the divinity of nature...Wiccans are considered pagans because they worship several nature gods instead of a single god." 2"The World Christian Encyclopedia estimates 6 million Americans profess to be witches and engage in practices like these. They are a sub-group of over 10 million persons the encyclopedia says call themselves pagans, who practice "primitive" religions such as Druidism, Odin worship and Native American shamanism." 3In this sense, "Pagan" refers to a group of religious traditions, and should be capitalized, as Christianity, Islam and Judaism are.
Religious and social conservatives sometimes use "Pagan" as a general purpose "snarl" word to refer to cultures or religions that are very different from the speaker's. There is no general consensus as to meaning. It can be seen directed at any religious or cultural group that the speaker hates. Some examples: Dr. John Patrick, professor at the University of Ottawa, Canada was discussing at a conference the number of abortions performed worldwide. He said: "Gods and goddesses are beginning to re-inhabit the Western world. Infant sacrifice - there are 52 million a year. It is paganism." 4Dr. Richard Swenson, director of the Future Health Study Center. said at the same conference: "We went into post-Christian and neopaganism very quickly...We want the culture to change, we want some spiritual sanity, but we need to understand that this is a pluralistic and even neopaganist society." 4Jerry Falwell appeared as a guest on Pat Robertson's "700 Club" program on 2001-SEP-13. He said that God became sufficiently angry at America that he engineered the terrorist attack on New York City and Washington-- presumably to send Americans a message. He said: "I really believe that the Pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians ...all of them who have tried to secularize America - I point the finger in their face and say 'you helped this happen.' " Pat Robertson responded: "Well, I totally concur..." 15 [We have asked Falwell's office via repeated Emails to tell us exactly to whom he was referring with the word "Pagans." They declined to respond.] More details.The term "Pagan" is sometimes used to refer to ancient polytheistic religions. The Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary defines "pagan" as: "belonging to a religion which worships many gods, especially one which existed before the main world religions." 18
The Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament) contains many references to the societies surrounding the Israelites -- Babylonians, Canaanites, Philistines, etc. These are commonly referred to as Pagans:
There are allegations that these societies engaged in human sacrifices: II Kings 3:26-27: "...the king of Moab...took his eldest son that should have reigned in his stead, and offered him for a burnt offering upon the wall."Psalms 106:37-38: "Yea, they sacrificed their sons and their daughters unto devils, And shed innocent blood, even the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan: and the land was polluted with blood."Their altars were often referred to as "high places:" II Kings 16:4: "And he sacrificed and burnt incense in the high places, and on the hills, and under every green tree."Surrounding tribes were viewed as committing idolatry by worshiping golden images of animals: II Kings 17:16: "And they left all the commandments of the LORD their God, and made them molten images, even two calves, and made a grove, and worshipped all the host of heaven, and served Baal."Some current examples of this usage are:
Referring to sun wheels and obelisks: "...These symbols of pagan sun worship were associated with Baal worship, or Baalim, which is strongly condemned in scripture. So why are they so prevalent in the Roman Catholic Church, if they are associated with paganism and apostasy?" An anti-Catholic essay on a conservative Protestant Christian web site. 5Ancient faiths of ancient Celtic, Egypt, Greece, Norse, Rome, and other cultures are frequently referred to as Pagan religions. Even though many of these religions had strict social and sexual behavioral codes, their followers are often portrayed as hedonist and immoral: 1 Peter 4:3: "For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries."Paganism is occasionally used to refer to animistic, spirits-and-essences filled belief systems. These are based upon direct perception of the forces of nature and usually involves the use of idols, talismans and taboos in order to convey respect for these forces and beings. Many native, aboriginal religions fit this definition.
A rare use of "Pagan" is to describe a person who does not follow an main Abrahamic religion. That is, their faith does not recognize Abraham as a patriarch. The individual is neither Christian, Muslim, Baha'i nor Jew. This includes Agnostics, Atheists, Buddhists, Hindus, Humanists, Taoists, etc. About 45% of the people of the world are Pagans, by this definition.The Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary gives an alternative definition of the word "pagan" as: "relating to religious beliefs that do not belong to any of the main religions of the world" 18 This definition is rather vague, because it does not describe how a "main religion of the world" is defined. If it is any religion with more than, say, 1% of the world's population (i.e. 60 million members, then: Aboriginal religions, Atheism, Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism, Islam, Taoism would be non-pagan, whereas Judaism, Sikhism, Confucianism, the Baha'i World Faith, Wicca, Zoroastrianism etc. would be pagan. I doubt that many members of the latter religions would be happy with their classification.
The term "Pagan" was widely used by Atheists, Agnostics, Humanists, etc. to refer to themselves. The word was also used by others to describe these groups. The usage dropped after the rise of Neopaganism in the middle of the 20th century, and is rarely seen today.
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March 1st, 2007, 11:03 PM
Fire and Earth I ask of you,
Bring me balance through and through.
Stronger in you, I need to be,
Grant your power in to me!"
Fire and Earth I ask of you,
Bring me balance through and through.
Ease your influence on my life,
And protect me now from future strife!"
Fire and Earth I ask of you,
Bring me balance through and through.
Stronger in you, I need to be,
Grant your power in to me!"
Fire and Earth I ask of you,
Bring me balance through and through.
Ease your influence on my life,
And protect me now from future strife!"
Fire and Earth I ask of you,
Bring me balance through and through.
Stronger in you, I need to be,
Grant your power in to me!"
Fire and Earth I ask of you,
Bring me balance through and through.
Ease your influence on my life,
And protect me now from future strife!"
Fire and Earth I ask of you,
Bring me balance through and through.
Stronger in you, I need to be,
Grant your power in to me!"
Fire and Earth I ask of you,
Bring me balance through and through.
Ease your influence on my life,
And protect me now from future strife!"
Fire and Earth I ask of you,
Bring me balance through and through.
Stronger in you, I need to be,
Grant your power in to me!"
Fire and Earth I ask of you,
Bring me balance through and through.
Ease your influence on my life,
And protect me now from future strife!"
Fire and Earth I ask of you,
Bring me balance through and through.
Stronger in you, I need to be,
Grant your power in to me!"
Fire and Earth I ask of you,
Bring me balance through and through.
Ease your influence on my life,
And protect me now from future strife!"
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March 1st, 2007, 11:08 PM
O Goddess, Mother of the green earth, blue waters, and silver moon; be with me now in my time of need.
Stress and confusion have taken over my life.
I feel the weight of life's burdens pulling me down.
I am afraid,
But, I know you hear me now.
Your loving kindness is making the weight easier to bear.
My God, Father of the dark forests, and shimmering mountains,
Impart to me some of your spiritual strength
So I may get through this time of crisis,
And get back to my normal life once more.
Blessed Be.
Adapted from:
From: The Wiccan Prayer Book by: Mark Ventimiglia
Prayer In Times of Stress and Confusion
O Goddess, Mother of the green earth, blue waters, and silver moon; be with me now in my time of need.
Stress and confusion have taken over my life.
I feel the weight of life's burdens pulling me down.
I am afraid,
But, I know you hear me now.
Your loving kindness is making the weight easier to bear.
My God, Father of the dark forests, and shimmering mountains,
Impart to me some of your spiritual strength
So I may get through this time of crisis,
And get back to my normal life once more.
Blessed Be.
Adapted from:
From: The Wiccan Prayer Book by: Mark Ventimiglia
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March 1st, 2007, 11:30 PM
*bats eyelashes* Dont think your ready for that one.........
*bats eyelashes* Dont think your ready for that one.........
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March 2nd, 2007, 12:25 AM
WYRD
http://www.wyrdwords.vispa.com/heathenry/whatwyrd.html
The most fundamental concept in heathenry is wyrd. It is also one of the most difficult to explain and hence one of the most often misunderstood.
The Anglo-Saxon noun wyrd is derived from a verb, weoržan, 'to become', which, in turn, is derived from an IndoEuropean root *uert- meaning 'to turn'.Wyrd literally means 'that which has turned' or 'that which has become'.
One ramification of wyrd in personal human terms is that our past (both our ancestry and our personal history) affects us continually. Who we are, where we are, and what we are doing today is dependent on actions we have taken in the past and actions others have taken in the past which have affected us in some way. And every choice we make in the present builds upon choices we have previously made.
With an understanding of wyrd comes a great responsibility. If we know that every action we take (or fail to take, for that matter) will have implications for our own future choices and for the future choices of others, we have an ethical obligation to think carefully about the possible consequences of everything we do. But even if we manage to make all the right choices, we are bound to find ourselves facing difficult circumstances or tough decisions at various times in our lives as a result of the past choices of those connected to us through the web. Since we can't control everyone else's actions, nor can we change the past, sometimes we just have to live with what's been woven for us. In such a case we still have choices. We can ignore our problems in the hope that they will go away, we can burden other people with them, or we can boldly face up to them and do our best to overcome them.
A verse from the Anglo-Saxon poem The Wanderer observes:
WYRD
http://www.wyrdwords.vispa.com/heathenry/whatwyrd.html
The most fundamental concept in heathenry is wyrd. It is also one of the most difficult to explain and hence one of the most often misunderstood.
The Anglo-Saxon noun wyrd is derived from a verb, weoržan, 'to become', which, in turn, is derived from an IndoEuropean root *uert- meaning 'to turn'.Wyrd literally means 'that which has turned' or 'that which has become'.
One ramification of wyrd in personal human terms is that our past (both our ancestry and our personal history) affects us continually. Who we are, where we are, and what we are doing today is dependent on actions we have taken in the past and actions others have taken in the past which have affected us in some way. And every choice we make in the present builds upon choices we have previously made.
With an understanding of wyrd comes a great responsibility. If we know that every action we take (or fail to take, for that matter) will have implications for our own future choices and for the future choices of others, we have an ethical obligation to think carefully about the possible consequences of everything we do. But even if we manage to make all the right choices, we are bound to find ourselves facing difficult circumstances or tough decisions at various times in our lives as a result of the past choices of those connected to us through the web. Since we can't control everyone else's actions, nor can we change the past, sometimes we just have to live with what's been woven for us. In such a case we still have choices. We can ignore our problems in the hope that they will go away, we can burden other people with them, or we can boldly face up to them and do our best to overcome them.
A verse from the Anglo-Saxon poem The Wanderer observes:
Through the Web of Wyrd may force us into circumstances we would never have freely chosen for ourselves, we always have some choice about how we react in those situations. And how we choose to react will always make a difference, if not to the world at large, then at least to our own fate.
Ne męg werigmod wyrde wišstondan,
ne se hreo hyge helpe gefremman.
For šon domgeorne dreorigne oft
in hyra breostcofan bindaš fęste;
A weary mood won't withstand wyrd,
nor may the troubled mind find help.
Often, therefore, the fame-yearners
bind dreariness fast in their breast-coffins.
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March 2nd, 2007, 12:34 AM
I didnt realise till just now......I read a book on Wyrrd by Lynn V Andrews. She was trained up in Shamanism by 2 Canadian Wise Women (Shamans) its called The Women of Wyrrd .....The arousal of the inner fire.
How is it your so self assured all the time? I get so angry I cry. then get in trouble for speaking my mind. I cant please everybody and when I dont I get mad at myself......Sometimes I wish I just didnt care.
I didnt realise till just now......I read a book on Wyrrd by Lynn V Andrews. She was trained up in Shamanism by 2 Canadian Wise Women (Shamans) its called The Women of Wyrrd .....The arousal of the inner fire.
How is it your so self assured all the time? I get so angry I cry. then get in trouble for speaking my mind. I cant please everybody and when I dont I get mad at myself......Sometimes I wish I just didnt care.
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March 2nd, 2007, 12:44 AM
On another pagan forum we just had a big row. A skinhead kid claiming to be pagan joined up and started a thread on National Socialism. Well I was all over him like a cat on a mouse. I got very emotional and as his replies became increasingly racist I upped the ante. There were some on the forum who wanted to engage him in meaningful discussion and I'm screaming for his head. It took 2 days for his posts and PM to become dangerously racist and get him banned and the thread locked. Unfortunately emotions carried over and there is still a bit of a row going on between those who wanted him gone and those who wanted to help him change his ways. I was the most vocal of those who wanted the troll filth driven out of decent society to live and interact with the other troll filth of National Socialism.
Me self assured. Then why am I on meds for depression and anxiety? I fake it real well. I should take up acting for a hobby. Plus I can lie like a rug. I'm a very convincing liar. I'm real good at self deception and lying to myself.
On another pagan forum we just had a big row. A skinhead kid claiming to be pagan joined up and started a thread on National Socialism. Well I was all over him like a cat on a mouse. I got very emotional and as his replies became increasingly racist I upped the ante. There were some on the forum who wanted to engage him in meaningful discussion and I'm screaming for his head. It took 2 days for his posts and PM to become dangerously racist and get him banned and the thread locked. Unfortunately emotions carried over and there is still a bit of a row going on between those who wanted him gone and those who wanted to help him change his ways. I was the most vocal of those who wanted the troll filth driven out of decent society to live and interact with the other troll filth of National Socialism.
Me self assured. Then why am I on meds for depression and anxiety? I fake it real well. I should take up acting for a hobby. Plus I can lie like a rug. I'm a very convincing liar. I'm real good at self deception and lying to myself.
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March 2nd, 2007, 12:53 AM
Stop it........your talking to a friggin nut case. Im too honest but then Id hate myself even more. Who knows.....I dont know. I just want to be treated fairly. I want everyone to be treated fairly. Im never going to see that. Your a good friend and I appreciate you listening to my nonsense.
Stop it........your talking to a friggin nut case. Im too honest but then Id hate myself even more. Who knows.....I dont know. I just want to be treated fairly. I want everyone to be treated fairly. Im never going to see that. Your a good friend and I appreciate you listening to my nonsense.
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March 2nd, 2007, 11:35 AM
Saturday Full Moon 6:17 PM
2nd quarter Virgo
Storm Moon
Lunar Eclipse 6:22 PM 13, degrees Virgo 00' (dont know what the degrees are)
Definately a planting day! I'll be planting Daisies
I had a vision at Yule that as the Daisies bloom my friend will be healed enough to come back on line. Wolf gave me the message 
Saturday Full Moon 6:17 PM
2nd quarter Virgo
Storm Moon
Lunar Eclipse 6:22 PM 13, degrees Virgo 00' (dont know what the degrees are)
Definately a planting day! I'll be planting Daisies
I had a vision at Yule that as the Daisies bloom my friend will be healed enough to come back on line. Wolf gave me the message 
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March 3rd, 2007, 12:52 AM
why are faeries always so provocatively dressed?
why are faeries always so provocatively dressed?
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March 3rd, 2007, 11:58 AM
*giggle* cause we just dead arse sexy
*giggle* cause we just dead arse sexy
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March 3rd, 2007, 01:10 PM
Ok I have to get ready for full moon and Kris is coming over too. If its nice Ill do a fire. We start at 6 any Kind thought or intentions needed send them my way. Think them kiss your palm and blow them east........Ill get them You can also light a candle and picture me in the flame. Be Gentle Oh and I dont kiss and tell
Ok I have to get ready for full moon and Kris is coming over too. If its nice Ill do a fire. We start at 6 any Kind thought or intentions needed send them my way. Think them kiss your palm and blow them east........Ill get them
You can also light a candle and picture me in the flame. Be Gentle Oh and I dont kiss and tell Time Out
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March 4th, 2007, 12:45 PM
Friday 2, March 2007
"Sing Your Own Song"
"Since you are like no other being ever created since the beginning of time, you are incomparable."
-- Brenda Ueland
Great forces are directing you to conform to the patterns of your society. You have DNA that has been handed down from generation to generation, coding repeated behaviour patterns into your being. You have archetypal energies setting the standards for how you behave as a man or a woman, as husband or wife, as father or mother .... You are immersed in consensual reality, whereby the world around you reflects societal understanding of how life has been and is to be.
At the same time, you have an even greater force within you inspiring you to wake up and recognize the reality of who you are. This force, the creative power underlying the entire universe, is urging you to create brand new standards of reality.
The status quo is blind to our creative power. Create a brand new world for yourself, one that meets your deepest needs, and you will help raise the quality of consciousness of the entire world.
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world."
-- Gandhi
Friday 2, March 2007
"Sing Your Own Song"
"Since you are like no other being ever created since the beginning of time, you are incomparable."
-- Brenda Ueland
Great forces are directing you to conform to the patterns of your society. You have DNA that has been handed down from generation to generation, coding repeated behaviour patterns into your being. You have archetypal energies setting the standards for how you behave as a man or a woman, as husband or wife, as father or mother .... You are immersed in consensual reality, whereby the world around you reflects societal understanding of how life has been and is to be.
At the same time, you have an even greater force within you inspiring you to wake up and recognize the reality of who you are. This force, the creative power underlying the entire universe, is urging you to create brand new standards of reality.
The status quo is blind to our creative power. Create a brand new world for yourself, one that meets your deepest needs, and you will help raise the quality of consciousness of the entire world.
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world."
-- Gandhi
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March 5th, 2007, 05:32 AM
Quoting selfactivated 
That was just an excellant way to say NEVER GIVE UP , I am impressed
