#1Jun 13th, 2006
Because I have many gods in my religion, however, I don't think they are real. They are goals tat you can set for yourself, to stride for eternal knowledge and etc, etc.
So what do you guys say.
Why can't religions get along??
Because I have many gods in my religion, however, I don't think they are real. They are goals tat you can set for yourself, to stride for eternal knowledge and etc, etc.
So what do you guys say.
#2
Re: Why can't religions get along??
Jun 13th, 2006Quote: Originally Posted by Jersay
Because it is so important for each religion to be 'right.' You can't be 'right' unless someone else is 'wrong.' When everything comes down to faith, because there is no logical reason to believe in deities, you have to believe that your faith is correct. Why can't they all just say, okay I respect your choice in religion, and you can have as many gods or no gods at all and your still okay as a person.
And I'm an atheist, I state all gods don't exist and all religion is a superstition created by people. I don't care what god(s) someone believes in as long as they don't bother me with it - which is hard for many unfortunately.
It is the believing theists who have to go around telling other theists how wrong they are to make themselves feel better. Atheists haven't started religious wars or killed others in the name of their god(s). That takes religion.
#3
Re: Why can't religions get along??
Jun 13th, 2006Quote:
They kill people for other reasons. Religion represents a big threat to the "state".Atheists haven't started religious wars or killed others in the name of their god(s).
#4
Re: Why can't religions get along??
Jun 13th, 2006Quote: Originally Posted by Jay
What?!?! WTF are you talking about? Atheists kill for greed, lust, anger, and all the other human conditions and emotions. As do theists. Atheists just don't have the 'added incentive' of killing someone who doesn't believe in the right god and getting those all important heaven brownie points.Quote:They kill people for other reasons.Atheists haven't started religious wars or killed others in the name of their god(s).
Quote: Originally Posted by Jay
It sure does. Interfering with abortion rights, access to birth control, science education and now I read about good christians fighting a vaccine that would prevent cervical cancer. It might promote promiscuity you know.. So yes, religion represents a threat to the modern state and people who think humans should progress past the stone age.Religion represents a big threat to the "state".
#5
RE: Why can't religions get along??
Jun 13th, 2006
Lets not get to excited here....
The two sentences I placed there weren't really meant to be separated. I should have used a " ; ".
Perhaps you don't kill in the name of "gods" you kill because of other people's faith in gods, that is why I used the "state" example.
The two sentences I placed there weren't really meant to be separated. I should have used a " ; ".
Perhaps you don't kill in the name of "gods" you kill because of other people's faith in gods, that is why I used the "state" example.
#6
RE: Why can't religions get along??
Jun 13th, 2006
Because I'm an infidel and certain other religions believe I should be enslaved or murdered because I'm a non-believer in their religion.
This is an age-old question.
This is an age-old question.
#7
RE: Why can't religions g
Jun 13th, 2006
ROFLMAO ... Andem, I was going to say that people can't get along because they don't believe the truth according to Cosmo. 
#8
Re: Why can't religions get along??
Jun 13th, 2006
Well that is what all Abrahamic Religions say, so if you are not one of the Abrahamic religion or don't believe in god then your an infidel.
But the point is, I don't think aethiesism is a religion, however they mostly have the same kind of structure they don't believe in gods.
However, why can't people accept that there may not be gods, or a god, or no god and try to at least for religious types look at whoever they worship as something to strive for.
But the point is, I don't think aethiesism is a religion, however they mostly have the same kind of structure they don't believe in gods.
However, why can't people accept that there may not be gods, or a god, or no god and try to at least for religious types look at whoever they worship as something to strive for.
#9
Re: RE: Why can't religions get along??
Jun 13th, 2006Quote: Originally Posted by Jay
Atheists kill because of other peoples belief in their myths and superstitions? What, we kill non-believers? Oh, I get it, the tired old Stalin mis-direction.Perhaps you don't kill in the name of "gods" you kill because of other people's faith in gods, that is why I used the "state" example.
Well, since things have this silly a level I'll leave all you good theists to tell each other how you all respect each others beliefs and faiths while mumbling under your breath how the other guy is going to hell.
#10
Re: Why can't religions get along??
Jun 13th, 2006Quote:
We aren't just going to forget about it.Oh, I get it, the tired old Stalin mis-direction.
#12
Re: Why can't religions get along??
Jun 13th, 2006Quote: Originally Posted by Jersay
Agnosticism may not be a religion, but atheism takes belief.Well that is what all Abrahamic Religions say, so if you are not one of the Abrahamic religion or don't believe in god then your an infidel.
But the point is, I don't think aethiesism is a religion, however they mostly have the same kind of structure they don't believe in gods.
However, why can't people accept that there may not be gods, or a god, or no god and try to at least for religious types look at whoever they worship as something to strive for.
You should look up the word infidel, as I don't think you know what it means, or you wouldn't make such a silly statement.
#13
RE: Why can't religions get along??
Jun 13th, 2006
I won't even make you look it up
Infidel: "an unbeliever with respect to a praticular religion, or someone who says they have no religious belief."
fidelity: "The state of being faithful"
Infidel: "an unbeliever with respect to a praticular religion, or someone who says they have no religious belief."
fidelity: "The state of being faithful"
#14
Re: Why can't religions get along??
Jun 13th, 2006Quote: Originally Posted by Jay
Yes, because Stalins reign was all about atheism and not about economic systems and politics and getting and retaining power for the sake of it. Quote:We aren't just going to forget about it.Oh, I get it, the tired old Stalin mis-direction.
Stalin was a lousy human who did terrible things. But I don't think it was because of his lack of belief in a deity.
#15
Re: Why can't religions get along??
Jun 13th, 2006
Atheists may not start wars but some of them certainly have a penchant for being annoying tax dollar wasting lil pansies...case in point ....
Judge Rejects Atheist’s Lawsuit
June 12, 2006, 9:08 PM EDT
SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP)—A federal judge on Monday rejected a lawsuit from an atheist who said having the phrase “In God We Trust” on U.S. coins and dollar bills violated his First Amendment rights. U.S. District Judge Frank C. Damrell Jr. said the minted words amounted to a secular national slogan that did not trample on Michael Newdow’s avowed religious views.
Newdow, a Sacramento doctor and lawyer, also is engaged in an ongoing effort to have the Pledge of Allegiance banned from public schools because it contains the words “under God.” Two years ago, the pledge fight reached the U.S. Supreme Court, which said Newdow lacked standing to bring the case because he didn’t have custody of the daughter on whose behalf he brought the case.
But a Sacramento federal judge sided with Newdow in September after he filed an identical lawsuit on behalf of parents with children in three Sacramento-area school districts. The case is pending before the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. Newdow’s “In God We Trust” lawsuit targeted Congress and several federal officials, claiming that by making money with the phrase on it the government was establishing a religion in violation of the First Amendment clause requiring separation of church and state.
The phrase “excludes people who don’t believe in God,” he claimed. Damrell disagreed, citing a 9th Circuit decision from 1970 that concluded the four words were a national motto that had “nothing whatsoever to do with the establishment of religion.” Newdow said Monday he would appeal.
Congress first authorized a reference to God on a two-cent piece in 1864. In 1955, the year after lawmakers had the words “under God” put into the Pledge of Allegiance, Congress passed a law requiring all U.S. currency to carry the motto “In God We Trust.” Newdow filed the lawsuit five days after the U.S. Supreme Court rejected, without comment, a challenge to an inscription of “In God We Trust” on a North Carolina county government building.
Judge Rejects Atheist’s Lawsuit
June 12, 2006, 9:08 PM EDT
SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP)—A federal judge on Monday rejected a lawsuit from an atheist who said having the phrase “In God We Trust” on U.S. coins and dollar bills violated his First Amendment rights. U.S. District Judge Frank C. Damrell Jr. said the minted words amounted to a secular national slogan that did not trample on Michael Newdow’s avowed religious views.
Newdow, a Sacramento doctor and lawyer, also is engaged in an ongoing effort to have the Pledge of Allegiance banned from public schools because it contains the words “under God.” Two years ago, the pledge fight reached the U.S. Supreme Court, which said Newdow lacked standing to bring the case because he didn’t have custody of the daughter on whose behalf he brought the case.
But a Sacramento federal judge sided with Newdow in September after he filed an identical lawsuit on behalf of parents with children in three Sacramento-area school districts. The case is pending before the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. Newdow’s “In God We Trust” lawsuit targeted Congress and several federal officials, claiming that by making money with the phrase on it the government was establishing a religion in violation of the First Amendment clause requiring separation of church and state.
The phrase “excludes people who don’t believe in God,” he claimed. Damrell disagreed, citing a 9th Circuit decision from 1970 that concluded the four words were a national motto that had “nothing whatsoever to do with the establishment of religion.” Newdow said Monday he would appeal.
Congress first authorized a reference to God on a two-cent piece in 1864. In 1955, the year after lawmakers had the words “under God” put into the Pledge of Allegiance, Congress passed a law requiring all U.S. currency to carry the motto “In God We Trust.” Newdow filed the lawsuit five days after the U.S. Supreme Court rejected, without comment, a challenge to an inscription of “In God We Trust” on a North Carolina county government building.
#16
Re: Why can't religions get along??
Jun 13th, 2006Quote: Originally Posted by thecdn
What about Hitler he hated the beliefs of the Jews, that was certainly the atheist coming out in him.Quote: Originally Posted by JayYes, because Stalins reign was all about atheism and not about economic systems and politics and getting and retaining power for the sake of it.Quote:We aren't just going to forget about it.Oh, I get it, the tired old Stalin mis-direction.
Stalin was a lousy human who did terrible things. But I don't think it was because of his lack of belief in a deity.
#17
Re: Why can't religions get along??
Jun 13th, 2006
Just as a histoical fact. ... Stalin who actually at one point was going to become a monk in the church, actually brought back the church during the war as a means to control his solidures better.
Atheism if you ask me is a belief like all the others anyways.
Atheism if you ask me is a belief like all the others anyways.
#18
Re: Why can't religions get along??
Jun 13th, 2006Quote: Originally Posted by Graeme
"Hitler seeking power, wrote in Mein Kampf. "... I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews. I am doing the Lord's work." Years later, when in power, he quoted those same words in a Reichstag speech in 1938."What about Hitler he hated the beliefs of the Jews, that was certainly the atheist coming out in him.
"Those who would make Hitler an atheist should turn their eyes to history books before they address their pews and microphones. Acclaimed Hitler biographer, John Toland, explains his heartlessness as follows: "Still a member in good standing of the Church of Rome despite detestation of its hierarchy, he carried within him its teaching that the Jew was the killer of god. The extermination, therefore, could be done without a twinge of conscience since he was merely acting as the avenging hand of god...""
"Hitler's Germany amalgamated state with church. Soldiers of the vermacht wore belt buckles inscribed with the following: "Gott mit uns" (God is with us). His troops were often sprinkled with holy water by the priests. It was a real Christian country whose citizens were indoctrinated by both state and church to blindly follow all authority figures, political and ecclesiastical."
Yeah, that Hitler fellow was quite the atheist....
#19
Re: Why can't religions get along??
Jun 13th, 2006Quote: Originally Posted by Graeme
Hitler and his Nazi goons Athiests. That is to laugh, no were they Pagan. They had their own views on what Christianity should be.Quote: Originally Posted by thecdnWhat about Hitler he hated the beliefs of the Jews, that was certainly the atheist coming out in him.Quote: Originally Posted by JayYes, because Stalins reign was all about atheism and not about economic systems and politics and getting and retaining power for the sake of it.Quote:We aren't just going to forget about it.Oh, I get it, the tired old Stalin mis-direction.
Stalin was a lousy human who did terrible things. But I don't think it was because of his lack of belief in a deity.
#20
Re: Why can't religions get along??
Jun 13th, 2006Quote: Originally Posted by Graeme
Yeah keep beliving in your fairy tale world of Christianity. Infidel wasn't created by Muslims to call other religions one name. Infidel has its way long back in the history books to discribe one people or another.Quote: Originally Posted by JersayAgnosticism may not be a religion, but atheism takes belief.Well that is what all Abrahamic Religions say, so if you are not one of the Abrahamic religion or don't believe in god then your an infidel.
But the point is, I don't think aethiesism is a religion, however they mostly have the same kind of structure they don't believe in gods.
However, why can't people accept that there may not be gods, or a god, or no god and try to at least for religious types look at whoever they worship as something to strive for.
You should look up the word infidel, as I don't think you know what it means, or you wouldn't make such a silly statement.
#21
Re: Why can't religions get along??
Jun 13th, 2006
This is a really interesting topic, Jersay.
And I quite agree with you concerning Gods in paganism - they are not Gods in the christian or muslim sense of the word, they are personified forces of nature, or, indeed, goals that you set for yourself, that was very well said.
Quote: Originally Posted by Jersay
The main reason why religions fight each other is really quite simple - the more followers you have, the more money they bring you and the more power you have. It is true about political leaders, and it is true about established religions. The more people you convince that your god is the only true one, the stronger you are. So for all the faiths out in the world and on Canadian content as well, there are so many. Why can't they all just say, okay I respect your choice in religion, and you can have as many gods or no gods at all and your still okay as a person.
Because I have many gods in my religion, however, I don't think they are real. They are goals tat you can set for yourself, to stride for eternal knowledge and etc, etc.
So what do you guys say.
And I quite agree with you concerning Gods in paganism - they are not Gods in the christian or muslim sense of the word, they are personified forces of nature, or, indeed, goals that you set for yourself, that was very well said.
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Yes, Finder, very few people remember the fact that Stalin brought the church back during the war. What he did, in fact, was the following. The repression of religion, that took place over the first decades of the Soviet Union had only one goal in view. Stalin realized the importance of religion as a means to govern people, so at first he removed most of the old-time priests, by killing them, throwing them to prisons, etc. And then he replaced them with "next-generation" priests, who were loyal enough to cooperate with the KGB (or NKVD, as it was called at the time of the war). I am not saying that all of the priests did that, but most did. It was one of the condition of becoming a priest - being ready to inform the KGB about anything important that your parishioners confess to you.Just as a histoical fact. ... Stalin who actually at one point was going to become a monk in the church, actually brought back the church during the war as a means to control his solidures better.
#22
Re: Why can't religions get along??
Jun 13th, 2006Quote: Originally Posted by Finder
Because religion is all about control and power. "Listen to me (because I know what god wants) or burn in hell!!!"Just as a histoical fact. ... Stalin who actually at one point was going to become a monk in the church, actually brought back the church during the war as a means to control his solidures better.
Quote: Originally Posted by Finder
I don't recall asking you Atheism if you ask me is a belief like all the others anyways.
Atheism is to belief as bald is to hair colour.
#23
Re: Why can't religions get along??
Jun 13th, 2006
of course, it would be wonderful if all religions got along. Personally, i am in no way disrespectful or against any religion but if all the religions are different and they all claim to be right, how are people supposed to agree on things if all of them have a different view on basically everything. I hope i haven't said anything offensive and if i have its my fault and i'm sorry.
thats what i think
peace
thats what i think
peace
#24
Re: Why can't religions get along??
Jun 13th, 2006Quote: Originally Posted by Finder
Certainly not like all the others. As an atheist I lead my life based on fact, not fantasy. I don't get on my knees and beg to some invisible being. Christians can't seem to get over the fact that many people do not believe in their mythical god, and have to go on about atheism being a belief or religion.Atheism if you ask me is a belief like all the others anyways.
Some wise individual once said
"Atheism is a religion in the same sense that not collecting stamps is a hobby"
#25
Re: Why can't religions get along??
Jun 13th, 2006Quote: Originally Posted by ..35
While no athesim isn't exactly a religion, it does take belief, God can't be disproven. Most Christians I know don't have a hard time understanding why people don't believe in God.Quote: Originally Posted by FinderCertainly not like all the others. As an atheist I lead my life based on fact, not fantasy. I don't get on my knees and beg to some invisible being. Christians can't seem to get over the fact that many people do not believe in their mythical god, and have to go on about atheism being a belief or religion.Atheism if you ask me is a belief like all the others anyways.
Some wise individual once said
"Atheism is a religion in the same sense that not collecting stamps is a hobby"
#26
Re: Why can't religions get along??
Jun 13th, 2006
Well yes God can be disproven the universe was created from a Big Bang. And I agree with you Vereya.
And to aethists. You have to believe in the same thing that a god or gods doesn't exist. So its not a religion or the same belief system in that aspect, and probably that aspect alone that tie you together.
And to aethists. You have to believe in the same thing that a god or gods doesn't exist. So its not a religion or the same belief system in that aspect, and probably that aspect alone that tie you together.
#27
RE: Why can't religions get along??
Jun 13th, 2006
Even if the universe was created from a Big Bang that wouldn't disprove God. And HELL I believe the universe did start as a Big Bang...
Because the argument can be made that God could have created the world 5 minutes ago and ingrained history into his creation, God can not be disproved.
Actually if you want to hear something funny, when the Big Bang theory first came out it was passed off by atheists as Christian Bunk, trying to say that the universe was of finite age. Look it up if you don't believe me.
Because the argument can be made that God could have created the world 5 minutes ago and ingrained history into his creation, God can not be disproved.
Actually if you want to hear something funny, when the Big Bang theory first came out it was passed off by atheists as Christian Bunk, trying to say that the universe was of finite age. Look it up if you don't believe me.
#28
RE: Why can't religions get along??
Jun 13th, 2006
prior to big bang it was believed by atheists that the universe was infinitely old.
Quote:
--Big Bang Theory - Common Misconceptions
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There are many misconceptions surrounding the Big Bang theory. For example, we tend to imagine a giant explosion. Experts however say that there was no explosion; there was (and continues to be) an expansion. Rather than imagining a balloon popping and releasing its contents, imagine a balloon expanding: an infinitesimally small balloon expanding to the size of our current universe.
Another misconception is that we tend to image the singularity as a little fireball appearing somewhere in space. According to the many experts however, space didn't exist prior to the Big Bang. Back in the late '60s and early '70s, when men first walked upon the moon, "three British astrophysicists, Steven Hawking, George Ellis, and Roger Penrose turned their attention to the Theory of Relativity and its implications regarding our notions of time. In 1968 and 1970, they published papers in which they extended Einstein's Theory of General Relativity to include measurements of time and space.1, 2 According to their calculations, time and space had a finite beginning that corresponded to the origin of matter and energy."3 The singularity didn't appear in space; rather, space began inside of the singularity. Prior to the singularity, nothing existed, not space, time, matter, or energy - nothing. So where and in what did the singularity appear if not in space? We don't know. We don't know where it came from, why it's here, or even where...
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