Super Genius
Posts: 1,249 
April 5th, 2006, 01:59 AM
Saw these questions on the net. Just 5 questions by no referenced source. However the questions are valid enough.
Saw these questions on the net. Just 5 questions by no referenced source. However the questions are valid enough.
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Five questions non-Muslims would like answered
THE RIOTING IN France by primarily Muslim youths and the hotel bombings in Jordan are the latest events to prompt sincere questions that law-abiding Muslims need to answer for Islam's sake, as well as for the sake of worried non-Muslims.
Here are five of them:
(1) Why are you so quiet?
Since the first Israelis were targeted for death by Muslim terrorists blowing themselves up in the name of your religion and Palestinian nationalism, I have been praying to see Muslim demonstrations against these atrocities. Last week's protests in Jordan against the bombings, while welcome, were a rarity. What I have seen more often is mainstream Muslim spokesmen implicitly defending this terror on the grounds that Israel occupies Palestinian lands. We see torture and murder in the name of Allah, but we see no anti-torture and anti-murder demonstrations in the name of Allah.
There are a billion Muslims in the world. How is it possible that essentially none have demonstrated against evils perpetrated by Muslims in the name of Islam? This is true even of the millions of Muslims living in free Western societies. What are non-Muslims of goodwill supposed to conclude? When the Israeli government did not stop a Lebanese massacre of Palestinians in the Sabra and Chatilla refugee camps in Lebanon in 1982, great crowds of Israeli Jews gathered to protest their country's moral failing. Why has there been no comparable public demonstration by Palestinians or other Muslims to morally condemn Palestinian or other Muslim-committed terror?
(2) Why are none of the Palestinian terrorists Christian?
If Israeli occupation is the reason for Muslim terror in Israel, why do no Christian Palestinians engage in terror? They are just as nationalistic and just as occupied as Muslim Palestinians.
(3) Why is only one of the 47 Muslim-majority countries a free country?
According to Freedom House, a Washington-based group that promotes democracy, of the world's 47 Muslim countries, only Mali is free. Sixty percent are not free, and 38% are partly free. Muslim-majority states account for a majority of the world's "not free" states. And of the 10 "worst of the worst," seven are Islamic states. Why is this?
(4) Why are so many atrocities committed and threatened by Muslims in the name of Islam?
Young girls in Indonesia were recently beheaded by Muslim murderers. Last year, Muslims — in the name of Islam — murdered hundreds of schoolchildren in Russia. While reciting Muslim prayers, Islamic terrorists take foreigners working to make Iraq free and slaughter them. Muslim daughters are murdered by their own families in the thousands in "honor killings." And the Muslim government in Iran has publicly called for the extermination of Israel.
(5) Why do countries governed by religious Muslims persecute other religions?
No church or synagogue is allowed in Saudi Arabia. The Taliban destroyed some of the greatest sculptures of the ancient world because they were Buddhist. Sudan's Islamic regime has murdered great numbers of Christians.
Instead of confronting these problems, too many of you deny them. Muslims call my radio show to tell me that even speaking of Muslim or Islamic terrorists is wrong. After all, they argue, Timothy McVeigh is never labeled a "Christian terrorist." As if McVeigh committed his terror as a churchgoing Christian and in the name of Christ, and as if there were Christian-based terror groups around the world.
As a member of the media for nearly 25 years, I have a long record of reaching out to Muslims. Muslim leaders have invited me to speak at major mosques. In addition, I have studied Arabic and Islam, have visited most Arab and many other Muslim countries and conducted interfaith dialogues with Muslims in the United Arab Emirates as well as in the U.S. Politically, I have supported creation of a Palestinian state and supported (mistakenly, I now believe) the Oslo accords.
Hundreds of millions of non-Muslims want honest answers to these questions, even if the only answer you offer is, "Yes, we have real problems in Islam." Such an acknowledgment is infinitely better — for you and for the world — than dismissing us as anti-Muslim.
We await your response.
THE RIOTING IN France by primarily Muslim youths and the hotel bombings in Jordan are the latest events to prompt sincere questions that law-abiding Muslims need to answer for Islam's sake, as well as for the sake of worried non-Muslims.
Here are five of them:
(1) Why are you so quiet?
Since the first Israelis were targeted for death by Muslim terrorists blowing themselves up in the name of your religion and Palestinian nationalism, I have been praying to see Muslim demonstrations against these atrocities. Last week's protests in Jordan against the bombings, while welcome, were a rarity. What I have seen more often is mainstream Muslim spokesmen implicitly defending this terror on the grounds that Israel occupies Palestinian lands. We see torture and murder in the name of Allah, but we see no anti-torture and anti-murder demonstrations in the name of Allah.
There are a billion Muslims in the world. How is it possible that essentially none have demonstrated against evils perpetrated by Muslims in the name of Islam? This is true even of the millions of Muslims living in free Western societies. What are non-Muslims of goodwill supposed to conclude? When the Israeli government did not stop a Lebanese massacre of Palestinians in the Sabra and Chatilla refugee camps in Lebanon in 1982, great crowds of Israeli Jews gathered to protest their country's moral failing. Why has there been no comparable public demonstration by Palestinians or other Muslims to morally condemn Palestinian or other Muslim-committed terror?
(2) Why are none of the Palestinian terrorists Christian?
If Israeli occupation is the reason for Muslim terror in Israel, why do no Christian Palestinians engage in terror? They are just as nationalistic and just as occupied as Muslim Palestinians.
(3) Why is only one of the 47 Muslim-majority countries a free country?
According to Freedom House, a Washington-based group that promotes democracy, of the world's 47 Muslim countries, only Mali is free. Sixty percent are not free, and 38% are partly free. Muslim-majority states account for a majority of the world's "not free" states. And of the 10 "worst of the worst," seven are Islamic states. Why is this?
(4) Why are so many atrocities committed and threatened by Muslims in the name of Islam?
Young girls in Indonesia were recently beheaded by Muslim murderers. Last year, Muslims — in the name of Islam — murdered hundreds of schoolchildren in Russia. While reciting Muslim prayers, Islamic terrorists take foreigners working to make Iraq free and slaughter them. Muslim daughters are murdered by their own families in the thousands in "honor killings." And the Muslim government in Iran has publicly called for the extermination of Israel.
(5) Why do countries governed by religious Muslims persecute other religions?
No church or synagogue is allowed in Saudi Arabia. The Taliban destroyed some of the greatest sculptures of the ancient world because they were Buddhist. Sudan's Islamic regime has murdered great numbers of Christians.
Instead of confronting these problems, too many of you deny them. Muslims call my radio show to tell me that even speaking of Muslim or Islamic terrorists is wrong. After all, they argue, Timothy McVeigh is never labeled a "Christian terrorist." As if McVeigh committed his terror as a churchgoing Christian and in the name of Christ, and as if there were Christian-based terror groups around the world.
As a member of the media for nearly 25 years, I have a long record of reaching out to Muslims. Muslim leaders have invited me to speak at major mosques. In addition, I have studied Arabic and Islam, have visited most Arab and many other Muslim countries and conducted interfaith dialogues with Muslims in the United Arab Emirates as well as in the U.S. Politically, I have supported creation of a Palestinian state and supported (mistakenly, I now believe) the Oslo accords.
Hundreds of millions of non-Muslims want honest answers to these questions, even if the only answer you offer is, "Yes, we have real problems in Islam." Such an acknowledgment is infinitely better — for you and for the world — than dismissing us as anti-Muslim.
We await your response.
Ponderous Intellect
Posts: 3,786
Location: Toronto
Location: Toronto
April 5th, 2006, 03:43 AM
Yeman was seculer for a long time, at least the marxist part, and they did have a funtioning democracy during most of the 90's too, but the civil war has killed such a dream.
Also Zoofar I would say colonialization retarded the spread of enlightentment and reason in these nations.
It's just not religion I would say the following have a big impact.
Religion (islam)
Nationalism (sometimes combinding with religion)
Sectarism (again religion taking some hold here as well)
Remembering colonialism
Current conflics in the middle east betweenm the West and the east.
American support for Isreal
Religion as a tool of the ruling class to keep the masses in poverity while they take away the wealth of the nation (oil).
The Christian world has already had the age of reason and enlightment come and go.
Liberal, socialist and social democratic values have spread in the middle east but the resurganze of fanatical islam is on the rise lately, perhaps caused by an increase of violance in the middle east by the west.
Wow I've not even started I could list reasons all night
Yeman was seculer for a long time, at least the marxist part, and they did have a funtioning democracy during most of the 90's too, but the civil war has killed such a dream.
Also Zoofar I would say colonialization retarded the spread of enlightentment and reason in these nations.
It's just not religion I would say the following have a big impact.
Religion (islam)
Nationalism (sometimes combinding with religion)
Sectarism (again religion taking some hold here as well)
Remembering colonialism
Current conflics in the middle east betweenm the West and the east.
American support for Isreal
Religion as a tool of the ruling class to keep the masses in poverity while they take away the wealth of the nation (oil).
The Christian world has already had the age of reason and enlightment come and go.
Liberal, socialist and social democratic values have spread in the middle east but the resurganze of fanatical islam is on the rise lately, perhaps caused by an increase of violance in the middle east by the west.
Wow I've not even started I could list reasons all night
Newbie
Posts: 6
December 15th, 2006, 02:34 PM
because
1. Palestinian Christians are a minority
2. Palestinian Christians are oppressed also from the Moslems
funny point
does the Christian World accept that Palestinian Christians fight oppression alone ?
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(2) Why are none of the Palestinian terrorists Christian?
because
1. Palestinian Christians are a minority
2. Palestinian Christians are oppressed also from the Moslems
funny point
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do Palestinian Christians have to defend alone ? and where is all the Christians World ?
why do no Christian Palestinians engage in terror?
does the Christian World accept that Palestinian Christians fight oppression alone ?
Knows No Bounds
Posts: 3,154
December 15th, 2006, 05:11 PM
Extreme Islam is committed to world domination. Most Muslims seem quiet and respectful but they don't argue with the basic agenda. I hope the West realizes what's happening. The latter has two priorities: a concrete plan to stop the ongoing conquest; and penalties for those amongst us who have made this madness all possible.
Extreme Islam is committed to world domination. Most Muslims seem quiet and respectful but they don't argue with the basic agenda. I hope the West realizes what's happening. The latter has two priorities: a concrete plan to stop the ongoing conquest; and penalties for those amongst us who have made this madness all possible.
Knows No Bounds
Posts: 3,154
December 16th, 2006, 12:03 AM
Sassy, I keep scrapbooks. Clippings from the key Canadian dailies. Organized, sequential. I much prefer it to a growing bin of internet links. The file on Islam keeps getting larger and larger. This is a huge problem and the West, because it can't conceive that tolerance is its chief failing, ignores the growing danger. I'm a linear individual, black and white. No one needs to draw me a picture on this one. We're in trouble and I don't think we're going to get out of this one.
Sassy, I keep scrapbooks. Clippings from the key Canadian dailies. Organized, sequential. I much prefer it to a growing bin of internet links. The file on Islam keeps getting larger and larger. This is a huge problem and the West, because it can't conceive that tolerance is its chief failing, ignores the growing danger. I'm a linear individual, black and white. No one needs to draw me a picture on this one. We're in trouble and I don't think we're going to get out of this one.
Newbie
Posts: 6
December 16th, 2006, 02:08 AM
tamarin
it`s all because of the zionism movement
and state of israel is the source of the problems in the world
moslem are blaming the world for what`s hapenning in the Palestine.
moslems wants jerusalem although they have no religional right in jerusalem, they conquered jerusalem, and all that nonesence about muhamed the prophet was in jerusalem in al alaqsa Mosque it`s all lies.
Actually there is no man witnessed that muhamed was really there.
the source of their religion islam is from mecca not jersalem
so they have no religional right in jerusalem
the Holy Land is for the Christians
tamarin
it`s all because of the zionism movement
and state of israel is the source of the problems in the world
moslem are blaming the world for what`s hapenning in the Palestine.
moslems wants jerusalem although they have no religional right in jerusalem, they conquered jerusalem, and all that nonesence about muhamed the prophet was in jerusalem in al alaqsa Mosque it`s all lies.
Actually there is no man witnessed that muhamed was really there.
the source of their religion islam is from mecca not jersalem
so they have no religional right in jerusalem
the Holy Land is for the Christians
Newbie
Posts: 4
Location: Edmonton
Location: Edmonton
December 16th, 2006, 03:08 PM
the Holy Land is for the Christians[/quote]
The holy land? It's a piece of land with a whole lot of social status and significance given to it. The only reason the land is holy is because people CHOOSE to believe it's holy. A public bathroom can be made holy as long as a group of people CHOOSE to make it so. The land like a public washroom is meant for everyone. Why can land be land and we can quit fighting over it like starving dogs over a bone. Why can't we live in peace?
the Holy Land is for the Christians[/quote]
The holy land? It's a piece of land with a whole lot of social status and significance given to it. The only reason the land is holy is because people CHOOSE to believe it's holy. A public bathroom can be made holy as long as a group of people CHOOSE to make it so. The land like a public washroom is meant for everyone. Why can land be land and we can quit fighting over it like starving dogs over a bone. Why can't we live in peace?
Super Genius
Posts: 1,384
Location: London, Ont. Canada
Location: London, Ont. Canada
December 17th, 2006, 07:40 PM
What a load of racist crap! Blaming either Muslims or Jews for the world's problems. The Jews spent probably 1500 years cast out there homelands, abused, denied basic rights and finally herded in to gas chambers for execution by Europeans. At the first chance some admittedly more radical ones (Zionists) take the opportunity to reseize the land that was theirs with the motto "Never Again". For centuries the only occupation allowed them was money lenders. Then after generations of being money lenders and merchant bankers we turn on them as Jewish conspirators bent on world domination. Muslims if given the choice would gladly lead peaceable lives of goodwill and harmony. Most live under repressive regimes supported by armies armed and equipped by western and Chinese goverments. Watching muslim protestors burn American flags and thinking all Muslims feel the same is as stupid as watching a Klan rally on TV and assuming all Americans are racist bigots. Have you noticed most of the people in the background , not mugging for camera, are not smiling or cheering, just like at Klan rallies you see on A&E documentaries. Afghanistan before the Russian invasion may have been a backward ass country but did not figure in world politics or news. The Russians created Osama. The continued support of repressive non-representative goverments by the US gave him credibility. What's next an attack on NA natives for dredging up 100's of years of marginalization where we stole their land for a few baubles? Then 200 years later they take us to court because we even cheated them out of the few baubles.
What a load of racist crap! Blaming either Muslims or Jews for the world's problems. The Jews spent probably 1500 years cast out there homelands, abused, denied basic rights and finally herded in to gas chambers for execution by Europeans. At the first chance some admittedly more radical ones (Zionists) take the opportunity to reseize the land that was theirs with the motto "Never Again". For centuries the only occupation allowed them was money lenders. Then after generations of being money lenders and merchant bankers we turn on them as Jewish conspirators bent on world domination. Muslims if given the choice would gladly lead peaceable lives of goodwill and harmony. Most live under repressive regimes supported by armies armed and equipped by western and Chinese goverments. Watching muslim protestors burn American flags and thinking all Muslims feel the same is as stupid as watching a Klan rally on TV and assuming all Americans are racist bigots. Have you noticed most of the people in the background , not mugging for camera, are not smiling or cheering, just like at Klan rallies you see on A&E documentaries. Afghanistan before the Russian invasion may have been a backward ass country but did not figure in world politics or news. The Russians created Osama. The continued support of repressive non-representative goverments by the US gave him credibility. What's next an attack on NA natives for dredging up 100's of years of marginalization where we stole their land for a few baubles? Then 200 years later they take us to court because we even cheated them out of the few baubles.
Mighty Intellect
Posts: 1,927
December 17th, 2006, 07:53 PM
Quoting RomSpaceKnight
I am in the acsendency on this one...completely agree....apart from one small fact...America Created Osama.
What a load of racist crap! Blaming either Muslims or Jews for the world's problems. The Jews spent probably 1500 years cast out there homelands, abused, denied basic rights and finally herded in to gas chambers for execution by Europeans. At the first chance some admittedly more radical ones (Zionists) take the opportunity to reseize the land that was theirs with the motto "Never Again". For centuries the only occupation allowed them was money lenders. Then after generations of being money lenders and merchant bankers we turn on them as Jewish conspirators bent on world domination. Muslims if given the choice would gladly lead peaceable lives of goodwill and harmony. Most live under repressive regimes supported by armies armed and equipped by western and Chinese goverments. Watching muslim protestors burn American flags and thinking all Muslims feel the same is as stupid as watching a Klan rally on TV and assuming all Americans are racist bigots. Have you noticed most of the people in the background , not mugging for camera, are not smiling or cheering, just like at Klan rallies you see on A&E documentaries. Afghanistan before the Russian invasion may have been a backward ass country but did not figure in world politics or news. The Russians created Osama. The continued support of repressive non-representative goverments by the US gave him credibility. What's next an attack on NA natives for dredging up 100's of years of marginalization where we stole their land for a few baubles? Then 200 years later they take us to court because we even cheated them out of the few baubles.
Super Genius
Posts: 1,384
Location: London, Ont. Canada
Location: London, Ont. Canada
December 17th, 2006, 08:50 PM
Sorry Osama was a legit mujadiheen fighter against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan. He used hid family money to create a network of roads, hospitals and supply bases to assist the resistance. This data base network was called the Base (al-Queda). It's no wonder some Afghanis love him so much. I sent 20$ thru Soldier of Fortune mag to assist back in the 80's. Does that make me an al-Queda mole.
Sorry Osama was a legit mujadiheen fighter against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan. He used hid family money to create a network of roads, hospitals and supply bases to assist the resistance. This data base network was called the Base (al-Queda). It's no wonder some Afghanis love him so much. I sent 20$ thru Soldier of Fortune mag to assist back in the 80's. Does that make me an al-Queda mole.
I had Dorothy
Posts: 1,068 
Location: not in Kansas anymore
Location: not in Kansas anymore
December 17th, 2006, 09:34 PM
Question 1. Because Allah said it is okay to kill. and if you cannot accept that you should die. Praise Allah,he who loves all,he who is almighty,he is pure.You who don't accept murder and mutilation are wrong.You should and will die. Praise Allah,he loves all,except for woman,and gays,and you,and you,and your neighbour,and that uppitty black guy,joos,and those other muslims,goddamn christians,etc. Praise allah,give him a hug and if he rubs your back,he is just looking for the best place to stick his knife. Time to wake up world,they want us compliant or dead! Cheers.
Question 1. Because Allah said it is okay to kill. and if you cannot accept that you should die. Praise Allah,he who loves all,he who is almighty,he is pure.You who don't accept murder and mutilation are wrong.You should and will die. Praise Allah,he loves all,except for woman,and gays,and you,and you,and your neighbour,and that uppitty black guy,joos,and those other muslims,goddamn christians,etc. Praise allah,give him a hug and if he rubs your back,he is just looking for the best place to stick his knife. Time to wake up world,they want us compliant or dead! Cheers.
Super Genius
Posts: 1,384
Location: London, Ont. Canada
Location: London, Ont. Canada
December 17th, 2006, 09:44 PM
The Koran says nothing about that. You are actually quoting the islamofacists. Does the bible actually say to gay bash and kill abortion doctors. No it does not but some christian whackos would have you believe it. Almost any publication that came out over 1500 years ago will contain some out moded speech and thoughts even the New Testament. Don't let the media and politicians think for you.
The Koran says nothing about that. You are actually quoting the islamofacists. Does the bible actually say to gay bash and kill abortion doctors. No it does not but some christian whackos would have you believe it. Almost any publication that came out over 1500 years ago will contain some out moded speech and thoughts even the New Testament. Don't let the media and politicians think for you.
Super Genius
Posts: 1,384
Location: London, Ont. Canada
Location: London, Ont. Canada
December 17th, 2006, 10:00 PM
Facist is just what they are too. Don't forget Hitler was legally elected to power. These islamo facist are playing on people oppressed by their goverments, who watch as the life blood of their country is shipped off to some far place to support other folks wasteful and hedonistic lifestyles. Who find themselves in the middle of world issues just by being born in a contentious part of the world with a history of colonialism and exploitation. Even the rantings of illiterate thiugs in the guise of religious men can sound sane when compared to the propaganda of repressive and non representative goverments. These people need our help not our ridicule less we recreate the conditions that led to Nazi Germany.
Facist is just what they are too. Don't forget Hitler was legally elected to power. These islamo facist are playing on people oppressed by their goverments, who watch as the life blood of their country is shipped off to some far place to support other folks wasteful and hedonistic lifestyles. Who find themselves in the middle of world issues just by being born in a contentious part of the world with a history of colonialism and exploitation. Even the rantings of illiterate thiugs in the guise of religious men can sound sane when compared to the propaganda of repressive and non representative goverments. These people need our help not our ridicule less we recreate the conditions that led to Nazi Germany.
I had Dorothy
Posts: 1,068
Location: not in Kansas anymore
Location: not in Kansas anymore
December 17th, 2006, 10:05 PM
I was not quoting anyone. I made that all up on what is going on in the world now. The question is<Why does the rest of the islamic population sit with thier mouths shut? How about,if they speak up,the all loving allah people will slice thier throats? I am not a christian,and never will be an allah puppet. There is killers in all religions,but islam condones the killings in the name of the beast.
I was not quoting anyone. I made that all up on what is going on in the world now. The question is<Why does the rest of the islamic population sit with thier mouths shut? How about,if they speak up,the all loving allah people will slice thier throats? I am not a christian,and never will be an allah puppet. There is killers in all religions,but islam condones the killings in the name of the beast.
I had Dorothy
Posts: 1,068
Location: not in Kansas anymore
Location: not in Kansas anymore
December 17th, 2006, 10:57 PM
Explain further,why do you call it crap? The islamic religion is very violent,right now they are killing each other because they don't like thier neighbours brand of islamism. Darfur,Gaza strip,Iraq,Algeria,shall I go on?
Explain further,why do you call it crap? The islamic religion is very violent,right now they are killing each other because they don't like thier neighbours brand of islamism. Darfur,Gaza strip,Iraq,Algeria,shall I go on?
