Super Genius
Posts: 1,348 
February 16th, 2006, 09:19 AM
Exactly , well said!!
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Interesting that you would say that, aeon, while there are dozens of members in other threads on Canadian Content who are condemning each and every Muslim for the actions of a loud few.
We must, as you have just done, keep in mind that there are distinctions between standard and moderate members of faiths, and the extremist members. More to the point of the topic, I would agree with you entirely. Religion would be a far more practical thing, were extremists not to incite the kinds of hateful events and speeches that we have seen over the decades and centuries.
We must, as you have just done, keep in mind that there are distinctions between standard and moderate members of faiths, and the extremist members. More to the point of the topic, I would agree with you entirely. Religion would be a far more practical thing, were extremists not to incite the kinds of hateful events and speeches that we have seen over the decades and centuries.
Exactly , well said!!
Bright Spark
Posts: 334
Location: Toronto
Location: Toronto
February 16th, 2006, 09:31 AM
For instance Judaism doesnt include jesus or Mohammed, Christianity doesnt include Mohammed and Islam includes everybody but doesnt asign divine status to Jesus.
Theologically there differences are quite wide, the whole basis of christianity is the importance of the individual over the community because Jesus died for your sins.
Islam and Judaism on the other hand place more emphasis on the community over the individual. this does not mean the individual doesnt have freedom to choose its simply a different way of approaching personal freedom with respect to society's benefits.
So philosphically they are very different.
if you look at the religious texts there is also a great divide.
For Jews The old Testament is very rigid, with all the laws spelled out in Deuteronomy and Leviticus, and the narratives are in Genesis, Exodus and Numbers Jewish law systems are thus very clear and draw philosophically from the narratives but the actual definitions of sin are derived from Leviticus and Deutoronomy. They are considered divine works as they were passed down to the ppl without any anomolies.
Christians on the other hand draw their philosphical ideas on jurisprudence and life from the New testemant which is "divinely inspired" accounts of Jesus's and John's life. It is not considered god's word by the vast majority of non-catholics but divinely inspired which explains some errors in previous publications of the books. Technically speaking it cant be god's word as this would mean only Jesus could write it down and the Bible 's earliest known copy was produced around a century after Jesus's death. but it suffices nonetheless quite well in most parts of ones life. The only problem is that it is a manuscript of parables which means ppl can interpret it to whatever they fancy, thus the basis of english common law before Magna Carta and case law was Leviticus and Deutoronomy.
Muslims follow the Koran which is also a very clearly defined text on what is good and bad. It is considered a divine text as it was written in chapters throughout their prophets lifetime and brought together and raanged during the reign of Abu Bakr right after Mohammeds death. It is considered a very conservative book which is direct in its explanations and includes most of the stories of previous prophets from the old testemant. Its views on homosexuality for instance are clearly defined and quite conservative.
so in terms of its texts there exists a great divide. Really we could go more in depth and this explanation does not suffice but there exist differences that make each religion distinct from each other.
to make the presumption that they are all pracitcally the same smacks of ignorance.
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One main prophet, different names. So, all three have a few differences that is because they may have thought of something better or encorporated another 'pagan' religion into theirs. But about 90% is the same.
3 prophets 3 different names, 3 different time periods and 3 different set of teachings which at best are similar in superficial philosophy. There are major theological and philosophical differences between the religions beginning with the set of prophets they follow.One main prophet, different names. So, all three have a few differences that is because they may have thought of something better or encorporated another 'pagan' religion into theirs. But about 90% is the same.
For instance Judaism doesnt include jesus or Mohammed, Christianity doesnt include Mohammed and Islam includes everybody but doesnt asign divine status to Jesus.
Theologically there differences are quite wide, the whole basis of christianity is the importance of the individual over the community because Jesus died for your sins.
Islam and Judaism on the other hand place more emphasis on the community over the individual. this does not mean the individual doesnt have freedom to choose its simply a different way of approaching personal freedom with respect to society's benefits.
So philosphically they are very different.
if you look at the religious texts there is also a great divide.
For Jews The old Testament is very rigid, with all the laws spelled out in Deuteronomy and Leviticus, and the narratives are in Genesis, Exodus and Numbers Jewish law systems are thus very clear and draw philosophically from the narratives but the actual definitions of sin are derived from Leviticus and Deutoronomy. They are considered divine works as they were passed down to the ppl without any anomolies.
Christians on the other hand draw their philosphical ideas on jurisprudence and life from the New testemant which is "divinely inspired" accounts of Jesus's and John's life. It is not considered god's word by the vast majority of non-catholics but divinely inspired which explains some errors in previous publications of the books. Technically speaking it cant be god's word as this would mean only Jesus could write it down and the Bible 's earliest known copy was produced around a century after Jesus's death. but it suffices nonetheless quite well in most parts of ones life. The only problem is that it is a manuscript of parables which means ppl can interpret it to whatever they fancy, thus the basis of english common law before Magna Carta and case law was Leviticus and Deutoronomy.
Muslims follow the Koran which is also a very clearly defined text on what is good and bad. It is considered a divine text as it was written in chapters throughout their prophets lifetime and brought together and raanged during the reign of Abu Bakr right after Mohammeds death. It is considered a very conservative book which is direct in its explanations and includes most of the stories of previous prophets from the old testemant. Its views on homosexuality for instance are clearly defined and quite conservative.
so in terms of its texts there exists a great divide. Really we could go more in depth and this explanation does not suffice but there exist differences that make each religion distinct from each other.
to make the presumption that they are all pracitcally the same smacks of ignorance.
Steven Hawking's Hero
Posts: 6,445 
February 16th, 2006, 10:03 AM
Clarity of testament doctrine doesn't make it legitimate.
All three major "religions" seek to ignore women as humans having rights.
None of these major religions are without fault - demonstrating yet again we are still pilgrims in the biz of worshipping idols.
Clarity of testament doctrine doesn't make it legitimate.
All three major "religions" seek to ignore women as humans having rights.
None of these major religions are without fault - demonstrating yet again we are still pilgrims in the biz of worshipping idols.
Knows No Bounds
Posts: 2,669
Location: California
Location: California
February 16th, 2006, 11:04 AM
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Blech! And you wonder why no one has been able to convert me to Christianity yet
Christians believe in women's rights...
Women have the right to do the dishes, and the cleaning up and look'n after the kids. Tending to every need of their males.
We would never dream of taking these cherished rights away!!
Women have the right to do the dishes, and the cleaning up and look'n after the kids. Tending to every need of their males.
We would never dream of taking these cherished rights away!!
Bright Spark
Posts: 334
Location: Toronto
Location: Toronto
February 16th, 2006, 06:13 PM
i can think of only 1 or 2 places Id like to live in other than Jerusalem.
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matriachial social systems have faded into history because they were vocally expressive passing down all their teachings by word of mouth while patriachial societies had time to write everything down cause all the slaves and women were doing all the work so dont blame religion for it!
I agree with you Wedensday's Child. Organized Religion is just another club for Male domination and control. A Frying pan has just been smacked up-side Jay's head. Now at least I know what the pan is used for.
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no im am not a follower of the faith... much is my loss eh? I actually put it up their as I really love the land it is quite beautiful and rich with history.
Hi nitzomoe...
I see your flag is from Isreal....are you Jewish?
I see your flag is from Isreal....are you Jewish?
i can think of only 1 or 2 places Id like to live in other than Jerusalem.
