Do not use emotional slogans in spiritual path….

dattaswami

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Do not use emotional slogans in spiritual path….

An atheist should not become a theist just for food, money, the job offered by you or the professional education offered by you to get a job. Such conversion is not real and permanent. Do not kindle emotions by showing or explaining the story of the crucifixion of Jesus. Do not kindle the attraction towards the physical appearance by showing the beautiful pictures of Krishna etc. Such means used for conversion are not real and permanent. The conversion of mind or heart is not real and eternal. Do not attract a person in problems by offering solutions through prayers and songs or by using the super powers of God for solutions. The faith developed by such ways will not stand forever because God will not always answer the prayers, songs and crying with tears.

People become addicted to such ways. The child will weep every time for a chocolate, since it is habituated to that path. The child intensifies the process of weeping if the chocolate is delayed! Initially the child is attracted by chocolates to go to the school for some days. The child has become young person but did not cross the first standard of the school, because the child concentrated only on the art of weeping to get the chocolates. The person became a postgraduate or even a Ph.D. degree holder in the course of begging and weeping for chocolates. The person became an exceptional scholar and developed several talents in praising the Lord, crying for the Lord, singing and composing music on the Lord, doing meditation and concentration on the Lord with his mind, chanting the Lord’s name millions of times, writing the name of Lord millions of times, chanting some letters (Beejaksharas or mantras), drawing some design or diagrams on metallic plates (Yantras), doing worship following certain special ways of [occult] technology (Tantras) and so on. These discoveries and developments are tremendous and as many as the developments in science and technology! Ofcourse, all these are good psychological ways of solving or treating certain psychological problems in patients with fixed notions to give mental relief from stress and gain confidence. All these ways are good, if the person is free from aspiration of any fruit from God in return [for such actions]. Such love is real. But the real love is expressed in terms of the sacrifice of work and the sacrifice of the fruit of work as seen in the case of your love for your children. If such practical expression exists, all the above theoretical expression of love through words and mind can be associated as a plate of meals is associated with a glass of drinking water.

Therefore in propagating the divine path, you should appeal to people only through knowledge, logical analysis and a systematic scientific approach. Avoid all the above means, which are theoretical and political ways of exploitation of one’s weakness. God is certainly above science and logic, because He is beyond creation and nature. But God always follows the ways of nature, which are logical and scientific, following the path of justice. In a rare and exceptional case, He uses His superpower, which is also not against justice. He suffers for your sin and thus the justice of the wheel of deeds is always upheld by Him even in the exceptional case of the use of His superpower.
 

bluebyrd35

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hmmmm.....most agnostics and atheists become so because they see religion as a means of enslaving intellect. I can insist that bacteria are the master race on this planet, and that they are responsible for the formation of the Universe, but that does not make it so. Declaring an invisible being as the creator of anything must be proven. Even faith must have some basis in fact.

So I await with bated breath, even a modicum of proof.

Now science on the other hand has provided quite a bit of proof of approximately when & how the Universe came into being, with pictures mind you. So your proof has to be quite spectacular to counter theirs.
 

VanIsle

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hmmmm.....most agnostics and atheists become so because they see religion as a means of enslaving intellect. I can insist that bacteria are the master race on this planet, and that they are responsible for the formation of the Universe, but that does not make it so. Declaring an invisible being as the creator of anything must be proven. Even faith must have some basis in fact.

So I await with bated breath, even a modicum of proof.

Now science on the other hand has provided quite a bit of proof of approximately when & how the Universe came into being, with pictures mind you. So your proof has to be quite spectacular to counter theirs.
I don't think you do wait with baited breath. You either accept that God is - or - you don't. If you don't believe, you shut God out of your life and there will be no modicum of proof for you. You don't want to see it. You have to at least try to open yourself up to the possibility that God exists. Genuine prayer helps but you have to remember that just because you are praying for a positive response doesn't mean you'll get one anymore than praying just one time for anything is the answer. Sometimes it is but usually, it takes several prayers and an open mind to receiving the response. Just something for you to ponder.
 

damngrumpy

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Never understood the use of prayer, if there is a God he knows what you need.
The opening statement of this thread left we wondering, what they are so
upset about. Most people believe in God because it is convenient, and they go
to church to be seen. They get to feel a part of community and the same feeling
could be realized by going to the mall for some fellowship.
I think religion has become out of control. They are exempted from many of the
laws of the land.
I think the religious groups should be paying taxes on collections as it is income
and income is taxable. God is fine most of the dogmatic faiths are not they are
a business, as believing in God is good for business.
 

bluebyrd35

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I don't think you do wait with baited breath. You either accept that God is - or - you don't. If you don't believe, you shut God out of your life and there will be no modicum of proof for you. You don't want to see it. You have to at least try to open yourself up to the possibility that God exists. Genuine prayer helps but you have to remember that just because you are praying for a positive response doesn't mean you'll get one anymore than praying just one time for anything is the answer. Sometimes it is but usually, it takes several prayers and an open mind to receiving the response. Just something for you to ponder.

Wrong, I will give you something I have learned. You see, while I do not accept God IS as a separate entity, I do accept that all Creation is interlinked. It is a passive link, to which all is connected. Perhaps there is evolution of the spirit world as well as the physical. Personal experience has proven to me that there is a spirit world and until someone comes up with a way other than dying to investigate it's properties, I will be content with what I know.

We are independent and responsible only to what we choose to be. There is no life wasted, unless one chooses to do so. I shut nothing out of my life, and proof is first and foremost personal, but that which cannot be proven either through facts or personally through experience, bites the dust. Life is a solitary journey, which one can make invigorating and fullfilling in obtaining one's needs or beg in prayer for one's wants. Since as I said, I am part of that which composes the Universe, why pray to oneself??
 

darkbeaver

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Isn't a well developed god concept essential for intellectual improvement? So often in the past, at cocktail parties and such, I would be lost for comment about god except for some juvenile denouncement of the subject. You can always tell those who fear the gods most. More often than not the ordeurves were made with slimey breakfast ham.
 

bluebyrd35

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Isn't a well developed god concept essential for intellectual improvement?

NOPE!! Ignorant tribal barbarians managed it 2000 plus years ago.

Cocktail parties & discussions of god?? Has to have been brought on by alcohol pickled reason or perhaps just an underdeveloped intellect, would be my guess. How does one fear the invisible, unheard and if the old books are anything to judge by, mentally challenged ??

PS to VanIsle....bated breath is what I mean, (held) not baited ....... as adding worm to hook.
 
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