Clever Clogs
Posts: 601 
October 30th, 2007, 09:58 PM
High dollar, high value, high level of people using and using Internet..
What's the matter with the Internet service now days?
Rogers and Sympatico...all together just raised their price by $10 dollar average in all services.
5 years ago, I used Sympatico High Speed service, it was middle.
It costed us around $35 monthly.
Now, it is $49.95 and all for 2 mbps (all total 7 mbps) [megabytes per second] more than 5 years ago.
And another lower packaging cost $35.95 for some crappy speed..1 mbps.
What about Rogers?
They ain't offering any better...they are cheaper* though.
The same service they offer cost $44.95 but this is excluding tax AND rental fee of modem.
Now, I want to talk about the rental fee. I think its ridiculous because we are using their service at a cost and want us to PAY for using the system that has is required for the service?
Its like...saying..."I got you're stick, if you want it, give me 5 candies per month for you're joy [service/connect] and also, 1 extra candy for having that stick [physicalness]."
I am BAFFLED.
With the rental fee of Rogers and Bell's offering price which is so similar to another [maybe you will save 1 buck per month if you use Rogers Express connection in Toronto], there is really competitiveness as in term of...price...but more of which has more efficient connection and better service.
Believe it or not, Internet is a necessity in this new age. It is the part of the fuel for globalization and even socialization of population in Western nations. So then, why are we facing price increase when we are suppose to be receiving FREE Internet access?
Its..its like exploiting people's wealth...
High dollar, high value, high level of people using and using Internet..
What's the matter with the Internet service now days?
Rogers and Sympatico...all together just raised their price by $10 dollar average in all services.
5 years ago, I used Sympatico High Speed service, it was middle.
It costed us around $35 monthly.
Now, it is $49.95 and all for 2 mbps (all total 7 mbps) [megabytes per second] more than 5 years ago.
And another lower packaging cost $35.95 for some crappy speed..1 mbps.
What about Rogers?
They ain't offering any better...they are cheaper* though.
The same service they offer cost $44.95 but this is excluding tax AND rental fee of modem.
Now, I want to talk about the rental fee. I think its ridiculous because we are using their service at a cost and want us to PAY for using the system that has is required for the service?
Its like...saying..."I got you're stick, if you want it, give me 5 candies per month for you're joy [service/connect] and also, 1 extra candy for having that stick [physicalness]."
I am BAFFLED.
With the rental fee of Rogers and Bell's offering price which is so similar to another [maybe you will save 1 buck per month if you use Rogers Express connection in Toronto], there is really competitiveness as in term of...price...but more of which has more efficient connection and better service.
Believe it or not, Internet is a necessity in this new age. It is the part of the fuel for globalization and even socialization of population in Western nations. So then, why are we facing price increase when we are suppose to be receiving FREE Internet access?
Its..its like exploiting people's wealth...
Mighty Intellect
Posts: 1,699
Location: china
Location: china
October 30th, 2007, 11:29 PM
Good Ol' Capitalism dooing well in China..
the internet comes automatically with the telephone line,
the price differs across the provinces the highest being 12.7633 / month.
I have a GPS card on in my laptop ,I use it all over China
The cost......153.141 a year.
Good Ol' Capitalism dooing well in China..
the internet comes automatically with the telephone line,
the price differs across the provinces the highest being 12.7633 / month.
I have a GPS card on in my laptop ,I use it all over China
The cost......153.141 a year.
A modern nomad
Posts: 1,118 
Location: Berlin, Germany
Location: Berlin, Germany
October 31st, 2007, 04:01 AM
In Canada the infrastructure that is used to deliver most forms of internet are owned by a small number of companies. I believe the government forced the telephone companies to rent out their infrastructure to competing companies but they are still able to control the prices they rent at to a certain extent. So ISP's are not necessarily price takers.
In Canada the infrastructure that is used to deliver most forms of internet are owned by a small number of companies. I believe the government forced the telephone companies to rent out their infrastructure to competing companies but they are still able to control the prices they rent at to a certain extent. So ISP's are not necessarily price takers.
Member
Posts: 115
Location: Living in Lymington (the new forest) in the south of the U.K.
Location: Living in Lymington (the new forest) in the south of the U.K.
November 24th, 2007, 01:03 PM
You lot over the pond certainly pay through the nose I have just signed with TALK-Talk and get a speed of (up to)8mps unlimited calls for free on my land line all for £20-40p per month, ( which i suppose is about 41 dollars Canadian) now you have actual figures and I can hear the groans from here.
You lot over the pond certainly pay through the nose I have just signed with TALK-Talk and get a speed of (up to)8mps unlimited calls for free on my land line all for £20-40p per month, ( which i suppose is about 41 dollars Canadian) now you have actual figures and I can hear the groans from here.
Chief Mogrifier
Posts: 8,885
November 24th, 2007, 01:57 PM
I use Shaw high speed cable as well as Shaw cable TV. I still pay around forty bucks a month for my internet which seems reasonable.
http://cable.webworx.ca/xtreme-I.htm
I use Shaw high speed cable as well as Shaw cable TV. I still pay around forty bucks a month for my internet which seems reasonable.
http://cable.webworx.ca/xtreme-I.htm
Time Out
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November 24th, 2007, 02:12 PM
I have a Cogeco digital cable/Internet bundle. The cost of the Internet is about $40 per month plus tax. That's not too shabby for three IP addresses, 10 Megabits per second of bandwidth, seven email addresses, and a 60 Gigabyte per month cap. The service is pretty reliable and I haven't much to complain about. I do get service interuptions from time to time, but they appear to be few and far between, and are usually of short duration.
If Cogeco wanted to lower their price, I wouldn't complain. If they were to raise the price though, I'd look elsewhere or downgrade to their basic internet package.
I have a Cogeco digital cable/Internet bundle. The cost of the Internet is about $40 per month plus tax. That's not too shabby for three IP addresses, 10 Megabits per second of bandwidth, seven email addresses, and a 60 Gigabyte per month cap. The service is pretty reliable and I haven't much to complain about. I do get service interuptions from time to time, but they appear to be few and far between, and are usually of short duration.
If Cogeco wanted to lower their price, I wouldn't complain. If they were to raise the price though, I'd look elsewhere or downgrade to their basic internet package.
Hawkings former plumber
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November 24th, 2007, 02:22 PM
I have Alliant/sympatico thirty bucks or so for dial up 26kbs max two nights ago mice ate a piece of thier infrastructure the line was dead till thismorning.
I have Alliant/sympatico thirty bucks or so for dial up 26kbs max two nights ago mice ate a piece of thier infrastructure the line was dead till thismorning.
Time Out
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November 24th, 2007, 02:27 PM
Quoting darkbeaver
You pay thirty bucks a month for dialup? That explains why you can't see your spout.
I have Alliant/sympatico thirty bucks or so for dial up 26kbs max two nights ago mice ate a piece of thier infrastructure the line was dead till thismorning.
Mighty Intellect
Posts: 1,678
Location: Alberta, Canada
Location: Alberta, Canada
November 24th, 2007, 02:32 PM
Captitalism has nothing to do with your rant. What I hilighted in red is your real problem. You expect companies to spend the money on equipment and infrastructer, spend the money on maintaining that infrastructure, and give it all to you for free. Just like your bitch about having to rent the cable/DSL modems. You don't want to pay rental on that equipment, then buy the modem.
Quoting YoungJoonKim
High dollar, high value, high level of people using and using Internet..
What's the matter with the Internet service now days?
garbage deleted
Believe it or not, Internet is a necessity in this new age. It is the part of the fuel for globalization and even socialization of population in Western nations. So then, why are we facing price increase when we are suppose to be receiving FREE Internet access?
Its..its like exploiting people's wealth...
What's the matter with the Internet service now days?
garbage deleted
Believe it or not, Internet is a necessity in this new age. It is the part of the fuel for globalization and even socialization of population in Western nations. So then, why are we facing price increase when we are suppose to be receiving FREE Internet access?
Its..its like exploiting people's wealth...
Captitalism has nothing to do with your rant. What I hilighted in red is your real problem. You expect companies to spend the money on equipment and infrastructer, spend the money on maintaining that infrastructure, and give it all to you for free.
Just like your bitch about having to rent the cable/DSL modems. You don't want to pay rental on that equipment, then buy the modem.
Hawkings former plumber
Posts: 8,775
Videos: 1
Location: RR1 Distopia 666 Discordia Drive Apt 911
Videos: 1
Location: RR1 Distopia 666 Discordia Drive Apt 911
November 24th, 2007, 02:37 PM
Quoting warrior_won
HAHAHAHA it does dosen't it.
You pay thirty bucks a month for dialup? That explains why you can't see your spout.
Clever Clogs
Posts: 601
November 24th, 2007, 04:54 PM
But garbage regarding prices?
I agree that companies do- in fact - require substantial amount of money from public to keep up with their infrastructure.
True enough, I am bi*ching thank you very much.
I do expect them to do "that" [Some cases, they neglect those duties..well, its corporations after all] I expect in the future that Canada will be receive better service with reasonable price* for both poor and middle. Recent increase and change of services both by Bell/ Sympatico and Rogers...seemed to me, exploitative. It becomes more confusing to me when small companies can offer cheaper price and sometimes better service, big companies are neglectant about it.
By the way.." cheaper," not "free."
Quote:
Rant? I agree, it is rant.
Captitalism has nothing to do with your rant. What I hilighted in red is your real problem. You expect companies to spend the money on equipment and infrastructer, spend the money on maintaining that infrastructure, and give it all to you for free.
Just like your bitch about having to rent the cable/DSL modems. You don't want to pay rental on that equipment, then buy the modem.
Just like your bitch about having to rent the cable/DSL modems. You don't want to pay rental on that equipment, then buy the modem.
But garbage regarding prices?
I agree that companies do- in fact - require substantial amount of money from public to keep up with their infrastructure.
True enough, I am bi*ching thank you very much.
Quote:
Come back..and re-evaluate..
You expect companies to spend the money on equipment and infrastructer
I do expect them to do "that" [Some cases, they neglect those duties..well, its corporations after all] I expect in the future that Canada will be receive better service with reasonable price* for both poor and middle. Recent increase and change of services both by Bell/ Sympatico and Rogers...seemed to me, exploitative. It becomes more confusing to me when small companies can offer cheaper price and sometimes better service, big companies are neglectant about it.
By the way.." cheaper," not "free."
Member
Posts: 115
Location: Living in Lymington (the new forest) in the south of the U.K.
Location: Living in Lymington (the new forest) in the south of the U.K.
November 25th, 2007, 09:25 AM
Now my suggestion to you guys is, get together and have one supplier that is the cheapest, getting them to include the good bits that others already include at a more expensive price. Remember clients can vote with their feet, and the pen is mightier than the sword
Now my suggestion to you guys is, get together and have one supplier that is the cheapest, getting them to include the good bits that others already include at a more expensive price. Remember clients can vote with their feet, and the pen is mightier than the sword
World Police
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Location: toranna
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Location: toranna
November 25th, 2007, 02:13 PM
Broadband in Canada is not as bad as it is made out to be. Compared to the US, we are doing quite well price wise and bandwidth wise. If you live in large urban areas, one can easily obtain broadband connections exceeding 15-16mbps.
Broadband in Canada is not as bad as it is made out to be. Compared to the US, we are doing quite well price wise and bandwidth wise. If you live in large urban areas, one can easily obtain broadband connections exceeding 15-16mbps.
Clever Clogs
Posts: 601
November 25th, 2007, 10:16 PM
Or maybe during the peak hours, 5% of their "suggested" speed.
Yes, compared to the U.S. [I don't know yet because I can't get the price..]
This one I article which I just researched--here you go http://www.consumeraffairs.com/inter...pricing.html-- holy cow!
$50 bucks [U.S.] for some 3mbps or am I just seeing some illusion?
[Remembers his old country...$30 bucks..extreme speed..same as T1...wooo...]
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Also some with 10% of their "suggested" speed [up to]
one can easily obtain broadband connections exceeding 15-16mbps.
Or maybe during the peak hours, 5% of their "suggested" speed.
Yes, compared to the U.S. [I don't know yet because I can't get the price..]
This one I article which I just researched--here you go http://www.consumeraffairs.com/inter...pricing.html-- holy cow!
$50 bucks [U.S.] for some 3mbps or am I just seeing some illusion?
[Remembers his old country...$30 bucks..extreme speed..same as T1...wooo...]
World Police
Posts: 4,488
Videos: 1
Location: toranna
Videos: 1
Location: toranna
November 25th, 2007, 10:34 PM
Remember, you can have the fastest ADSL connection on the planet, but if the source you are downloading from is congested or has a lower peak connection speed, you will never max your connection out. Your ISP cannot guarantee any speeds outside of their network as it is out of their control.
I know with my 8mbps connection, I can easily saturate that via downloads on NNTP, which proves to me that I am getting what I pay for.
Remember, you can have the fastest ADSL connection on the planet, but if the source you are downloading from is congested or has a lower peak connection speed, you will never max your connection out. Your ISP cannot guarantee any speeds outside of their network as it is out of their control.
I know with my 8mbps connection, I can easily saturate that via downloads on NNTP, which proves to me that I am getting what I pay for.
