Health Canada markup on government-certified dope 1,500 per cent


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Canadian Press: DEAN BEEBY


OTTAWA (CP) - The federal government charges patients 15 times more for certified medical marijuana than it pays to buy the weed in bulk from its official supplier, newly released documents show.
Critics say it's unconscionable to charge that high a markup to some of the country's sickest citizens, who have little income and are often cut off from their medical marijuana supply when they can't pay their government dope bills.
Records obtained under the Access to Information Act show that Health Canada pays $328.75 for each kilogram of bulk medical marijuana produced by Prairie Plant Systems Inc.
The company currently has a $10.3-million contract with Health Canada, which expires at the end of September, to grow standardized medical marijuana in an abandoned mine shaft in Flin Flon, Man.
Health Canada, in turn, sells the marijuana to a small group of authorized users for $150 - plus GST - for each 30-gram bag of ground-up flowering tops, with a strength of up to 14 per cent THC, the main active ingredient. That works out to $5,000 for each kilogram, or a markup of more than 1,500 per cent.
"It's impossible for a person on disability," said Ron Lawrence, 38, a burn victim in Windsor, Ont., who needs medical marijuana to control severe pain. "The sickest people are the ones that need it the most . . . they're the ones who don't work."
Adds Scott McCluskey, 48, in Westbank, B.C., who suffers spinal-cord pain that is eased by marijuana: "They're selling it for criminal street prices. . . . I don't think anybody, especially seriously ill people . . . should have to pay this type of money for medicine."

Health Canada has become a reluctant marijuana supplier, forced into the role by a series of court decisions that have accepted scientific research indicating cannabis can relieve pain when other medications fail. The courts have also said patients should not be forced into the black market to purchase their medicine.
Currently, 1,742 patients are authorized by Health Canada to possess dried marijuana as a medication. Of these, 1,040 are licensed to grow their own, and another 167 people are licensed to grow marijuana for the exclusive use of licensed patients.
But patients can also order marijuana through Health Canada's official supplier, Prairie Plant Systems, which typically delivers the product by Purolater courier.
Currently, 149 patients are officially in arrears - almost a third of the 514 patients who order government-certified dope - collectively owing Health Canada $143,611 in outstanding payments. Many have been cut off from their supplies, though Health Canada was not able to indicate the number.
"At a time when medical cannabis users all too often have to choose between buying groceries and their medicine, it is unconscionable that Health Canada . . . should be marking up this product 1,500 per cent," said Philippe Lucas of Victoria-based Canadians for Safe Access, which promotes ready access to medical marijuana.
A spokesman for the department, Jason Bouzanis, said the quoted price of $328.75 a kilogram for bulk marijuana does not include other Health Canada costs.
"The price for individuals authorized to possess marijuana for medical purposes is based on the actual cost of production and an estimate of costs associated with the distribution of the product," he said, "These costs are subject to change."
Contract records show Health Canada also pays the supplier a packaging fee of $9.06 for each 30-gram package, to cover labour and materials, as well as courier fees that are dependent on shipping volumes.
Although patients currently can grow it themselves or have someone else grow it for them, Health Canada plans to phase out these production licences sometime after 2007. That would force patients to order from Prairie Plant Systems, or take their chances with street dealers or so-called compassion clubs, which are technically illegal.
Street prices for marijuana are about $10 a gram for small quantities, or about twice Health Canada's price, though bulk street purchases with few middlemen can match or better the government price. Compassion clubs charge as low as $5 a gram, the same price as government dope.
Because medical marijuana is not a recognized drug, with its own drug identification number, insurance companies and government drug programs do not reimburse patients for costs, as they do for other pain medication.
Many patients say they are unhappy with the quality of the Prairie Plant System product.
"It's garbage," said Tom MacMullen, 43, of Prospect Bay, N.S., who uses marijuana for leg and back pain. "It's just so awful-tasting."
MacMullen has twice been cut off from his government supply, and currently owes $517 in arrears. With a disability pension of $653 a month and two children, he has few resources to buy dope and now relies on the charity of friends.
Bouzanis said Health Canada is tightening its rules beginning May 1, so that those who are 30 days or more in arrears can receive one more shipment before they are cut off. Previously, patients were given a 180-day grace period.
Meanwhile, the Victoria-based Vancouver Island Compassion Society is planning a constitutional challenge to the federal medical cannabis program, set to be heard in the British Columbia Supreme Court May 9-18.
© The Canadian Press, 2007




 
darkbeaver
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Another crime against the weak and the disabled, of course I blame it on American millionaires and thier Gestapo morons.
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaverView Post

Another crime against the weak and the disabled, of course I blame it on American millionaires and thier Gestapo morons.

Why them?
 
Tonington
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Pffft, a prescription should enable the patient to grow their own. It's not like they're fine-tuning some chemical formula and encapsulating the stuff. It's a freakin plant, maybe they could buy the seeds or something from the drugstore...
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by ToningtonView Post

Pffft, a prescription should enable the patient to grow their own. It's not like they're fine-tuning some chemical formula and encapsulating the stuff. It's a freakin plant, maybe they could buy the seeds or something from the drugstore...

Does it not do that already? I thought it allowed people to grow their own. I'm not sure, and obviously am probably wrong.
 
Tonington
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Lol, what I'd like to know is how does one go about getting certified to sell to Big Brother. Bye bye student loans
 
DurkaDurka
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Lol, what I'd like to know is how does one go about getting certified to sell to Big Brother. Bye bye student loans

You have to get stephen harper to smoke a bowl with you first.
 
MikeyDB
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Why would it suprise anyone that the government would abuse the people? Government and religions have abused the people of this planet for hundreds of generations over thousands of years. Any time you have an entrenched interest in controlling humanity...you will be required to harm those whom you claim to be helping...
 
Tonington
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Quote: Originally Posted by DurkaDurkaView Post

You have to get stephen harper to smoke a bowl with you first.

Oh man, I would love to smoke a bowl with him. Bong hits for all cabinet ministers!
 
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You can't smoke dope when you don't have a rectum....or sorry...Stephen does have Stockwell..
 
Tonington
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Heh, I prefer to exhale smoke rather than blow it out my arse. Perhaps I could impart this wisdom on the politicos...
 
#juan
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A spokesman for the department, Jason Bouzanis, said the quoted price of $328.75 a kilogram for bulk marijuana does not include other Health Canada costs.
"The price for individuals authorized to possess marijuana for medical purposes is based on the actual cost of production and an estimate of costs associated with the distribution of the product," he said, "These costs are subject to change."
Contract records show Health Canada also pays the supplier a packaging fee of $9.06 for each 30-gram package, to cover labour and materials, as well as courier fees that are dependent on shipping volumes.
Although patients currently can grow it themselves or have someone else grow it for them, Health

I would be very interested to learn how they got from $328.75 per kilogram to a $150.00 for one gram. The $9.06 packaging fee for each gram is pure usury, and ridiculous usary at that. Now they want to get rid of any competition. Who's running this program? The Mafia?
 
DurkaDurka
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I think $100.00/Ounce would be a more just price for it. At the price you would be saving 50% compared to buying it from their friendly dealer.
 
Tonington
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Quote: Originally Posted by #juanView Post

Who's running this program? The Mafia?

Same thing I was thinking...
 
Niflmir
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That report raises other interesting questions, like why is there no drug identification number for marijuana yet? It sounds like they are stalling because they don't want to elevate marijuana to the status of alcohol yet.
 
darkbeaver
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Quote: Originally Posted by sanctusView Post

Why them?

The American lobbys for the big drug companys anually spend millions to make sure that cannibis never becomes legal, in fact way back in the seventys they even bought legislation to make sure that any reserch done on pot was conducted on garbage that tested out at three % THC. Having cannibis become part of the pharmacalogical system would cost the drug companys billions in lost sales of the toxic crap they have addicted us to.
 
darkbeaver
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Quote: Originally Posted by sanctusView Post

Why them?

The American lobbys for the big drug companys anually spend millions to make sure that cannibis never becomes legal, in fact way back in the seventys they even bought legislation to make sure that any reserch done on pot was conducted on garbage that tested out at three 3 % THC or less. Having cannibis become part of the pharmacalogical system would cost the drug companys billions in lost sales of the toxic crap they have addicted us to.
 
tbud
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The US War on Drugs is what has screwed this up because it directly influences Canadian policy. Our mis-leaders are too chicken sh*t to do whats right, evening knowing the facts they will maintain their bald-faced lies. To hell with sick people as long as we get the business deals, that's their attitude.

Not to mention the thousands who languish in jails for marijuana offences, or carry a harsh criminal record for possession that stops them from getting a better job or travelling. In the United States there are people doing 10 years, even 20 years for growing their own cannabis.

But then we have people like Mayor Mel famous for shaking hands with the Hells Angels leaders when they come rolling into town. Welcome, pleasure to do business.

Someone asked why can't they grow it themselves with a license, many are too sick to grow it anyway. Apparently they will get some shwag grown in a deep mine (for public safety from the dangerous weeds!) that's only fit for making a rope.
 
#juan
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Quote: Originally Posted by tbudView Post

The US War on Drugs is what has screwed this up because it directly influences Canadian policy. Our mis-leaders are too chicken sh*t to do whats right, evening knowing the facts they will maintain their bald-faced lies. To hell with sick people as long as we get the business deals, that's their attitude.

Not to mention the thousands who languish in jails for marijuana offences, or carry a harsh criminal record for possession that stops them from getting a better job or travelling. In the United States there are people doing 10 years, even 20 years for growing their own cannabis.

But then we have people like Mayor Mel famous for shaking hands with the Hells Angels leaders when they come rolling into town. Welcome, pleasure to do business.

Someone asked why can't they grow it themselves with a license, many are too sick to grow it anyway. Apparently they will get some shwag grown in a deep mine (for public safety from the dangerous weeds!) that's only fit for making a rope.

I don't think, at 14% THC, there is anything wrong with the product. The main complaint is the blown up pricing. I think the best thing they could do is to set up a cottage industries that could be inspected and let the price find it's own level. This would put the large grow-ops out of business and no doubt get us in trouble with the U.S. drug control agencies. Oh well....
 
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I love it when Beaver and Juan get on their horse about the U.S.

Between the two of them they managed to flip a Canadian product into controlled by
the U.S. in about five posts... to use Juan's favorite word: Rubbish!!!
What weedy thinking....the price is probably high because the packaging has to be
printed in two languages hahaha....

Whatever happened to heaven sent B.C. Bud - the finest in the woild.
 
darkbeaver
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At 14% it would be stong smoke but it's ground up stem leaf and all, last report s that I read indicated that it's dangerous to smoke because the chemical fertilizers have not been properly leached from the living plants. Anyone I've talked to who gets it says its gastly tasteing crap thats hard to keep lit.
 
DurkaDurka
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Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaverView Post

At 14% it would be stong smoke but it's ground up stem leaf and all, last report s that I read indicated that it's dangerous to smoke because the chemical fertilizers have not been properly leached from the living plants. Anyone I've talked to who gets it says its gastly tasteing crap thats hard to keep lit.

The government actually sells them stems and leaves? The government is hoarding all the bud I guess
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by CuriosityView Post

I love it when Beaver and Juan get on their horse about the U.S.

Between the two of them they managed to flip a Canadian product into controlled by
the U.S. in about five posts...
What weedy thinking....the price is probably high because the packaging has to be
printed in two languages hahaha....

Whatever happened to heaven sent B.C. Bud - the finest in the woild.

ahhhh BC weed. At least as good as the amsterdam stuff. My first hallucenation experience
 
darkbeaver
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The government actually sells them stems and leaves? The government is hoarding all the bud I guess

Yah an old pushers trick. Somehow I can't see the Conservatives smoking grass, they should but they don't want George and Dick to find out.haha
 
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ahhhh BC weed. At least as good as the amsterdam stuff. My first hallucenation experience

Maybe so, but there is some wicked 'window box' stuff 'round my town. Matter of fact one burned down last year, not two blocks from my house.
 
Curiosity
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Now that's a testament B.C. Bud could use! Shame on the govenrment for not giving them a purchase.
 
Tonington
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I'd love to see a press conference after the politico smoked up...CPAC would be a helluva lot more interesting
 
#juan
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Quote: Originally Posted by CuriosityView Post

I love it when Beaver and Juan get on their horse about the U.S.

Between the two of them they managed to flip a Canadian product into controlled by
the U.S. in about five posts... to use Juan's favorite word: Rubbish!!!
What weedy thinking....the price is probably high because the packaging has to be
printed in two languages hahaha....

Whatever happened to heaven sent B.C. Bud - the finest in the woild.

If you bothered to read about the whole subject rather than taking a hysterical jab at some imagined anti-American slight in a single post, you would know that "B.C. Bud" has already caused problems with the U.S. drug enforcement people. In my post I suggested that legalising pot would further antagonize them. You want to see that as anti-American? Go for it.
 
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Right Juan is that a clinical diagnosis or a frothing epithet? Thanks for the red rep mark too!

B.C. Bud has been smuggled into the U.S. for years. That's a problem with the government - and it should be. It has nothing to do with the topic here.

Why Canada isn't using it for their medical pot I have no idea - but it isn't because of some American rule even in your fevered imagination. You were the poster who brought the U.S. into it as if they really cared what the Canadian government sells their medical marijuana for.
 
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""I would be very interested to learn how they got from $328.75 per kilogram to a $150.00 for one gram. The $9.06 packaging fee for each gram is pure usury, and ridiculous usary at that. Now they want to get rid of any competition. Who's running this program? The Mafia?"




How does someone apply to possess marihuana for medical purposes?

An application must be submitted in writing to Health Canada. Application -- or by calling Health Canada toll-free, at: 1-866-337-7705. Applicants must provide a declaration from a medical practitioner to support the application.
Where does Health Canada's supply of marihuana come from?

In December 2000, Health Canada contracted Prairie Plant Systems Inc. (PPS) to cultivate and produce a safe, standardized, homogenous --.
Can applicants grow their own marihuana?

Yes, if you are authorized by Health Canada to possess dried marihuana for medical purposes, you can apply for a -- or apply to have someone grow for you with a -- if you are unable to grow your own.
Has Health Canada issued a Notice of Compliance?

It is important to note, and it is important that applicants understand, that no Notice of Compliance has been issued for marihuana for medical purposes. A Notice of Compliance is a letter of approval from the Therapeutic Products Directorate of Health Canada indicating that a drug has been assessed and has complied with the Food and Drugs Act and Regulations regarding safety, efficacy and quality. These regulations set out the necessary contents of the submission for a Notice of Compliance. All drugs sold in Canada must have a Notice of Compliance.
""""Health Canada, in turn, sells the marijuana to a small group of authorized users for $150 - plus GST - for each 30-gram bag of ground-up flowering tops, with a strength of up to 14 per cent THC, the main active ingredient. That works out to $5,000 for each kilogram, or a markup of more than 1,500 per cent. """"


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