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Did anyone catch frontline last night? Whoa! unbelievable how this company operates 8O even more strange is how they are allowed to continue to put the consumer, they ply their wares to, out of work 8O The documentary was fascinating, it can be viewed on line at pbs. Here is a exert, and I will post the site.


In Circleville, Ohio, population 13,000, the local RCA television-manufacturing plant was once a source of good jobs with good pay and benefits. But in late 2003, RCA's owner, Thomson Consumer Electronics, lost a sizeable portion of its production orders and six months later shut the plant down, throwing 1,000 people out of work.

Thomson's jobs have moved to China, where cheap labor manufactures what the American consumer desires -- from clothing to electronics -- and can buy at "everyday low prices" at the local Wal-Mart.


FRONTLINE explores the relationship between U.S. job losses and the American consumer's insatiable desire for bargains in "Is Wal-Mart Good for America?" Through interviews with retail executives, product manufacturers, economists, and trade experts, correspondent Hedrick Smith examines the growing controversy over the Wal-Mart way of doing business and asks whether a single retail giant has changed the American economy.

"Wal-Mart's power and influence are awesome," Smith says. "By figuring out how to exploit two powerful forces that converged in the 1990s -- the rise of information technology and the explosion of the global economy -- Wal-Mart has dramatically changed the balance of power in the world of business. Retailers are now more powerful than manufacturers, and they are forcing the decision to move production offshore."

"Wal-Mart has reversed a hundred-year history that had the retailer dependent on the manufacturer," explains Nelson Lichtenstein, a professor at the University of California Santa Barbara. "Now the retailer is the center, the power, and the manufacturer becomes the serf, the vassal, the underling who has to do the bidding of the retailer. That's a new thing."

To understand the secret of Wal-Mart's success, Smith travels from the company's headquarters in Bentonville, Ark., to their global procurement center in Shenzhen, China, where several hundred employees work to keep the company's import pipeline running smoothly. Of Wal-Mart's 6,000 global suppliers, experts estimate that as many as 80 percent are based in China.

"Wal-Mart has a very close relationship with China," says Duke University Professor Gary Gereffi. "China is the largest exporter to the U.S. economy in virtually all consumer goods categories. Wal-Mart is the leading retailer in the U.S. economy in virtually all consumer goods categories. Wal-Mart and China are a joint venture."

When trade agreements were signed between the U.S. and China in the 1990s, bringing China into the World Trade Organization, American political and business leaders embraced the idea. China's 1.2 billion people were viewed as an enormous untapped market for American-made goods. The reality, experts say, is the opposite. China's exports to the U.S. have skyrocketed.

At a salary of only 50 cents an hour or $100 a month, Chinese labor is an unbeatable bargain for international business. And the Chinese government is doing everything it can to be sure the country's infrastructure supports the export business. Ten years ago Shenzhen's main port did not exist. Today it's on the verge of becoming the third busiest port in the world.

Wal-Mart estimates it imports $15 billion of Chinese goods every year and concedes that the figure could be higher -- some estimates range as high as $20 or $30 billion. Company executives are quick to point out they have always scoured the globe for low cost suppliers to benefit the American consumer.

"We do depend on products from around the globe to draw our consumers into the stores," says Ray Bracy, Wal-Mart's vice president for federal and international public affairs. "We feel they need to have the best product, the best value, at the best price we can achieve."

Some experts contend Wal-Mart's "everyday low prices" are causing a clash between the interests of Americans as workers and the desires of Americans as consumers.

"If people were only consumers, buying things at lower prices would be just good. But people also are workers who need to earn a decent standard of living," says economist Larry Mishel of the Economic Policy Institute. "The dynamics that create lower prices at Wal-Mart and other places are also undercutting the ability of many, many workers to earn decent wages and benefits and have a stable life."

Economist Brink Lindsey of the Cato Institute sees it another way. "I think Wal-Mart is good for America," he says. "Wal-Mart is doing what the American economy is all about, which is producing things consumers want to buy … offering consumers a wide range of goods at rock-bottom prices. It is meeting the market test."

This is little consolation to the unemployed workers back in Circleville, Ohio. Steve Ratcliff, a long-time worker at the Thomson plant puts it simply: "If you want these low prices, then you go buy your products from Wal-Mart. But what does that actually do for this country? It's putting people out of work. And it's lowering our standard of living. That's the bottom line."

Ironically, for Ratcliff and his former colleagues, there are new jobs coming to town. In a patch of farmland right next to the vacant Thomson plant, Wal-Mart has broken ground on one of its new Supercenters. But the Wal-Mart jobs will represent a steep cut in pay from the $15 to $16 an hour workers made at Thomson, and a far cry from the pension, health care, and job security benefits that have long been the norm in manufacturing.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/walmart/
 

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Well all I can say is good for that store in Quebec, kicking their asse's outta there, its unbelievable the power that this company has obtained, and how they use it, perverse 8O Tell me something think, do you think the small business person will now fight walmart because of the case the small television manafacturing company won?
 

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Well, in Wal Marts defense, they haven't always been this way. And the founder, was a very big philanthropist. He was one of those people who actually believed in giving back to the community.

Since his death though its true about Wal-mart. Small business owners have been fighting Wal-Mart for a few years now, the problem with that is that Wal-Mart throws back at them the fact that they used to be a small business also.

My biggest bug with Wal-Mart is the low paying wages they give to their employees, MacDonalds has a much better track record than they have. The Feds need to increase the minimum wage, plain and simple, $5.15 an hour doesn't cut it anymore, it has to be at least $10. But that affects alot of small businesses also. So what do we do? Marxism? 8O
 

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They are putting people out of business and out of work, they have a monopoly. If you watched the documentary than you know they will fight even for a 1 cent saving. And when the small business man took his grievance to wot...who was there to defend the chinese 8O Walmart! Rock bottom prices by rock bottom people.
 

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peapod said:
They are putting people out of business and out of work, they have a monopoly. If you watched the documentary than you know they will fight even for a 1 cent saving. And when the small business man took his grievance to wot...who was there to defend the chinese 8O Walmart! Rock bottom prices by rock bottom people.

If the Chinese government isn't there to defend the Chinese then don't expect anyone else will.
 

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A better question is why is wallmart defending the flooding of the market with millions of cheap televsions they puts everyone else out of business. Wallmart is the perfect symbol of absolute greed!

I get up everyday at 5, there will be plenty of time for sleeping down the road.
 

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The bottom line is they have marketed their product successfully, thats what they do, they incorporate to make profit.

Having said that, it is up to governments to control their actions, Chinese and American alike. The Chinese should implement a minimum wage for Chinese workers and the US needs to increase the minimum wage.

Of course they are driven by greed. There is no such thing as enough is enough, someone needs to keep them in line, and everyone keeps blaming the corporations. They are bound by laws, when they break them, they should be punished, when there are no laws to break, they will not be punished.
 

AirIntake

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Walmart doesn't exactly have any exclusive from China, Walmart-only TV's. They sell the same TVs that exist at Future Shop, The Brick, Sears, Best Buy etc, they just sell them $50+ cheaper. My hometown is finally getting a Walmart, which is great, because local businesses have been gauging residents here for years, because what are you going to do, drive 200+ km to the city? Just because Walmart is too damn good at capitalism doesn't mean they're evil. There not a monopoly because competition exists from places like Zellers, but to be honest, it's not Walmarts fault that Zellers fails, it's Zellers fault. Ever compared the prices at Zellers vs Walmart? Same crappy chinese stuff, higher prices and less selection. If you think Walmart is evil, you just don't like our capitalist system. You'd be better off lobbying the government than complaining to Walmart, Walmart's not breaking any laws.
 

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My Mom Hates you, Wal Mart

Wal-Mart fired my mom because of her bad hip. At least, that’s what she believes. Originally hired for desk work, she was eventually asked to perform duties that involved walking the sales floor most of the day. Management did not appreciate her reluctance. Then, after several long weeks of recovery from hip-replacement surgery, she returned to the store only to be told that her position had evaporated. More...

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Airintake, did you even bother to read or look at the site posted..

"In the 1960s and '70s, Wal-Mart took its first big bet by building its own infrastructure and distribution network. Before Wal-Mart decided to take charge of its own distribution, retailers traditionally depended on wholesalers, who procured, warehoused and distributed manufactured products. But Walton found that none of the wholesale distributors at the time were interested in giving adequate service to a geographically remote discount retailer. Wholesalers would be shut out of Wal-Mart's business model.

Next, to take on powerful brand-name suppliers, Walton would make a massive bet in information technology. By the early '80s, Wal-Mart was one of the earliest to take advantage of the bar code to increase efficiency at the checkout counter. The aim now was to find a way for technology to help Wal-Mart come up with the right mix of goods for its individual stores, thereby increasing efficiency and lowering the company's inventory costs. The idea was to transmit point-of-sale information in real time to manufacturers. The information then could be used to examine consumer taste trends, gauge demand and eliminate the need for warehousing -- manufacturers would deliver "just in time."

And so, the cornerstone of Wal-Mart's increased efficiency was its trend-forecasting software, which tracked consumer behavior. In 1985, Walton and his chief lieutenant, David Glass, began developing a program called Retail Link. The software, and the hardware that went along with it, took years to perfect, eventually costing $4 billion. This revolutionary system delivered sophisticated information on consumer behavior, drawn from the data imbedded in the barcodes that passed through checkout counters.

Wal-Mart shared this revolutionary software with suppliers at no cost, in order to help them meet the retailer's needs more efficiently. In the early years, many Wal-Mart suppliers were American firms with factories in the U.S., and so sharing the Retail Link system dovetailed with Sam Walton's "Buy American" campaign, which focused on using domestic manufacturers. But Walton also insisted on ruthless efficiency. As he wrote in a letter to his suppliers in 1985, he was committed to buying U.S. goods whenever possible, but they would have to upgrade their operations and improve productivity to "fill our requirements."

At the heart Wal-Mart's offer to share its software program was a Faustian bargain for suppliers: Use our Retail Link program, play by our new rules and we will be your gateway to sales beyond your wildest dreams. Or refuse, and be shut out of America's dominant retail chain. In fact, by sharing Retail Link, Wal-Mart gained command over its suppliers and effectively penetrated their executive decision-making. It drew them into what Sam Walton liked to call a partnership: Wal-Mart was plugged into the supplier and the supplier was plugged into Wal-Mart.

But Wal-Mart had the upper hand: By gaining access to its supplier's books, the company was in a position to virtually dictate the terms of its contracts on price, volume, delivery schedule, packaging, and quality. And it allowed the giant retailer to set the profit margin each supplier would get. It turned the supplier-retailer relationship upside-down.

If vendors wanted their products on Wal-Mart's shelves, they had to implement Wal-Mart's "customized business plans." Each year, the big retailer handed its suppliers detailed "strategic business planning packets." Wal-Mart would grade them on weekly, quarterly and annual report cards. And when it came to discussions of price, there was no real negotiation, even for household brands.

"It was a cultural change between retailers and manufacturers," said Bobby Martin Jr., the Wal-Mart executive who developed and managed the Retail Link software system. "Part of process people went through was fear that Wal-Mart would know their business better and run their business. Some of them were not even as computer literate or capable as Wal-Mart… But the impetus behind it is the low cost commitment. This is divine discontent with cost."

Thus, Wal-Mart used its buying power and its information about consumer buying habits to force vendors into squeezing their costs and keeping their profit margins low. Over time, some suppliers -- especially middle-sized and smaller firms -- were bankrupted; and major firms moved production overseas, and increasingly to China."

I beg to differ with you, walmart in my opinion is indeed a monopoly. And ehm..call me crazy but last year china exported how much goods to the USA?? and how much did the USA export to china?? and what do you think the numbers will be in a few more years? Why don't you actually read the site I posted

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/walmart/
 

AirIntake

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Boo hoo, IGA treated me like shat when I worked there too. Walmart simply treats minimum wage employees like every business treats them, like useless turds. Walmart isnt' the only place that does this for sure.
 

AirIntake

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I'm in the process. It's not like there's only 2 paragraphs to read. There are many sub articles. I did read that except you posted, and nothing there isn't done by any other big company. You don't seem to know the definition of monopoly. As long as Zellers and K-mart exist, Wallmart is no monopoly, whether you like there practices or not. And China exports to the US......are these ALL going DIRECTLY to Walmart???? I don't think so. Quit blaming Walmart for the faults of the entire system. This isn't a Walmart-only problem.
 

AirIntake

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You should read your own article pea, I did find something:


Don't Blame Wal-Mart for the Wal-Mart Economy
Low wages, the trade deficit, the collapse of U.S. manufacturing—the business press says Wal-Mart's responsible. Actually, you are.
By Daniel Gross
Posted Wednesday, Oct. 8, 2003, at 2:58 PM PT


Wal-Mart, so long celebrated as the exemplar of everything wonderful about American capitalism—its homespun billionaire founder, its customer care, its relentless discounting, its brilliant use of technology—has suddenly become the Beast of Bentonville. The business press is blaming Wal-Mart for the woes of the entire economy, from the spike in the number of uninsured, to the rising poverty rate, to the flood of Chinese imports that are ravaging U.S. manufacturing.

The Wall Street Journal led its Sept. 30 issue with a well-reported article about how the retailing giant controls health-care costs. "Wal-Mart makes new hourly workers wait six months to sign up for its benefits plan and doesn't cover retirees at all." It won't pay for flu shots, child vaccinations, or contraception, which many other firms cover. By keeping deductibles high, Wal-Mart manages to spend 30 percent less per employee on health care than its competitors. And because so many companies try to benchmark their costs to Wal-Mart, its penny-pinching ways could lead to a spiral of declining benefits for all retail workers.

Business Week's Oct. 6 cover story recited a familiar litany of Wal-Mart sins—it forces local rivals to close, dominates suppliers, and acts as a chicken-fried culture czar—but added a few new gripes. "Its $12 billion in imports from China last year accounted for a tenth of total U.S. imports from that nation." What's more, Wal-Mart "is widely blamed for the sorry state of retail wages in America." On average, Wal-Mart sales associates earn $8.23 an hour—a wage that, when annualized, falls below the federal poverty line for a family of three.

One expects such complaints from Barbara Ehrenreich—one of her dead-end jobs was at a Wal-Mart, after all—but not from publications that have acted as cheerleaders for the trends and strategies that Wal-Mart has used to great advantage: free trade, flexible labor forces, customer focus, and smart use of information technology.


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Wal-Mart makes a tempting target simply by virtue of its size. It has $245 billion in annual sales. Every week 138 million shoppers visit Wal-Mart, which is now the nation's largest grocer and third-largest pharmacy. Last year, 82 percent of American households made at least one purchase at one of Sam Walton's discount palaces.

Now, Moneybox holds no particular affection for Wal-Mart. But I think it's more a symbol of these woes than a cause. Bagging groceries and working a checkout line has never been a ticket to a middle-class career complete with comprehensive benefits. For the vast majority of Wal-Mart workers, being an associate is more like a temporary job than a career. Turnover is massive—about 44 percent of Wal-Mart's 1.4 million employees will leave in 2003.

In the Wall Street Journal, a union official lamented that "When General Motors was the biggest company, it raised the bar on benefits and wages. … Now Wal-Mart is the biggest, and it has lowered the bar." Of course, when General Motors ruled the earth, it operated in a comparatively benign, competition-free environment. It could afford to be generous. Today, GM—along with Ford and DaimlerChrysler—stands as a case study of what happens when a company continually raises benefits while failing to grow. The Big Three are essentially social insurance institutions trying to support themselves by selling motor vehicles.

Faulting Wal-Mart for America's wage stagnation is also unfair. Retail is an industry not known for developing employee skills. No matter how much it needs workers, Wal-Mart won't offer defined benefit pension plans or health insurance coverage for retirees. And neither will virtually any retailer that relies largely on low-skilled, temporary workers.

Suppose Sam Walton had spent his life as a farmer, and Wal-Mart never existed. Would baggers at Winn-Dixie and shelf-stockers at Costco be making a living wage and have great benefits? Would Kmart have avoided bankruptcy? Would small grocery stores in small-town downtowns be thriving? The answer to all three questions is likely no. More likely is that other companies would have married discounting—which existed before Wal-Mart—to free trade, weakening unions, and better technology.

There's no question that workers without skills find it difficult to get paid as well as they once did, that employers are more reluctant to supply comprehensive health benefits, and that Chinese imports are pummeling American manufacturers. Wal-Mart thrives in part by contributing to or piggybacking on each of these trends, but they were all well underway before Wal-Mart took the United States by storm. Who should we blame for the other 90 percent of Chinese imports?

How about you, for one? After all, Wal-Mart is a mere pass-through for its customers—one that takes a slim margin for the trouble. At Wal-Mart, the customer is king, everyone else be damned: competitors, employees, and the domestic manufacturing base. Everything Wal-Mart does—particularly its low prices—is done in the name of slavish devotion to consumer demand. And every day, millions of Americans ratify Wal-Mart's strategy by shopping there. Stores don't kill economies, consumers do.


Daniel Gross (www.danielgross.net) writes Slate's "Moneybox" column. You can e-mail him at moneybox@slate.com.

It's under 'Transforming America' - 'Related Links'

Now are you willing to discuss, or do you still think that the 'article' proves your point perfectly?
 

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China Mart sucks shit and only idiots shop there :evil: Thay sell total crap and do nothing for local economies .I'll tell you why so many people shop there.Taxes and fees from goverment are so high people can not afford to shop anywhere else :x