Super Genius
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September 27th, 2007, 02:42 PM
I recieved an e-mail from a distraught mother who claims that her son's high school is demanding that student's personal info is given to the USA military.
This sounds like preparations for a draft eh? I would not like this to happen in Canada, and I would dispute that any "free nation" would demand such info, with such drastic consequences for those who refuse.
The boy won't be allowed to have his name on graduation diplomas or any other school function unless they acquiesce.
Copy of her email:
Hello All:
As have many students, my son has been officially
blacklisted by his school because his father and I
have refused to allow his personal information to be
given to military recruiters. Here are excerpts from
the offical letter announcing his punishment:
"Dear Parents/Guardians of Juniors and Seniors:
Congress has passed two major pieces of legislation
that require local education agencies (high schools)
receiving assistance under the Elementary and
Secondary Education Act of 1965 to give military
recruiters the same access to secondary school
students as they provide to post secondary
institutions or to prospective employers. Local
education agencies are also required to provide
students' names, addresses, and telephone listings to
military recruiters, and higher education learning
when requested.
Under FERPA (Family Education Rights and Privacy Act),
this letter provides notice to you of the types of
student information that it releases publicly. This
type of student information, commonly referred to as
"directory information," includes the students' names,
the names of the student's parents/guardians, the
student's address, the student's date of birth and
telephone numbers and is information generally not
considered harmful or an invasion of privacy if
disclosed. If you chose not to participate, your
child's name will also not be able to appear in
anything associated with this school such as the
graduation program, honor roll list, sports programs
and the annual yearbook."
My son, like many others, is a frequent honor roll
student, will not be able to be listed. Like many
other students, if he does something noteworthy, the
school newspaper cannot mention him. He may not be
allowed to participate in graduation ceremonies. This
is wrong on many levels.
[also, but not not included here, a request to send e-mails to the school]
I recieved an e-mail from a distraught mother who claims that her son's high school is demanding that student's personal info is given to the USA military.
This sounds like preparations for a draft eh? I would not like this to happen in Canada, and I would dispute that any "free nation" would demand such info, with such drastic consequences for those who refuse.
The boy won't be allowed to have his name on graduation diplomas or any other school function unless they acquiesce.
Copy of her email:
Hello All:
As have many students, my son has been officially
blacklisted by his school because his father and I
have refused to allow his personal information to be
given to military recruiters. Here are excerpts from
the offical letter announcing his punishment:
"Dear Parents/Guardians of Juniors and Seniors:
Congress has passed two major pieces of legislation
that require local education agencies (high schools)
receiving assistance under the Elementary and
Secondary Education Act of 1965 to give military
recruiters the same access to secondary school
students as they provide to post secondary
institutions or to prospective employers. Local
education agencies are also required to provide
students' names, addresses, and telephone listings to
military recruiters, and higher education learning
when requested.
Under FERPA (Family Education Rights and Privacy Act),
this letter provides notice to you of the types of
student information that it releases publicly. This
type of student information, commonly referred to as
"directory information," includes the students' names,
the names of the student's parents/guardians, the
student's address, the student's date of birth and
telephone numbers and is information generally not
considered harmful or an invasion of privacy if
disclosed. If you chose not to participate, your
child's name will also not be able to appear in
anything associated with this school such as the
graduation program, honor roll list, sports programs
and the annual yearbook."
My son, like many others, is a frequent honor roll
student, will not be able to be listed. Like many
other students, if he does something noteworthy, the
school newspaper cannot mention him. He may not be
allowed to participate in graduation ceremonies. This
is wrong on many levels.
[also, but not not included here, a request to send e-mails to the school]
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September 27th, 2007, 03:02 PM
simple answer: don't give the info, and deal with his "honor roll" not being listed. BFD
simple answer: don't give the info, and deal with his "honor roll" not being listed. BFD
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September 27th, 2007, 03:21 PM
a question that springs to mind as well is "why is this woman the only woman in all the USA who's noticed that her kid's info is being taken down in such a bully-fashion?"
a question that springs to mind as well is "why is this woman the only woman in all the USA who's noticed that her kid's info is being taken down in such a bully-fashion?"
Don't bother arguing, I KNOW!
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September 27th, 2007, 04:06 PM
It's comments like these that make the left more and more irrelevant.
Quoting lone wolf
What's next? Boy Scouts becoming the Bush Youth?
Wolf
Wolf
It's comments like these that make the left more and more irrelevant.
September 27th, 2007, 04:11 PM
It says that it's due to an act passed in 1965... I don't think you can blame Bush here. I need to do some digging, the whole things sounds funny.
Quoting lone wolf
What's next? Boy Scouts becoming the Bush Youth?
Wolf
Wolf
It says that it's due to an act passed in 1965... I don't think you can blame Bush here. I need to do some digging, the whole things sounds funny.
September 27th, 2007, 04:14 PM
It's my understanding that those named institutions are to be given that information when the STUDENT requests it. I would think the ACLU would love to have a go at this high school....
Info here:
http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/guid/fp...10-09-02a.html
says nothing whatsoever about the school holding back rewards, etc. Clearly states the parents can opt out (but they opt out for ALL organizations and colleges etc, not just the military)
It's my understanding that those named institutions are to be given that information when the STUDENT requests it. I would think the ACLU would love to have a go at this high school....
Info here:
http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/guid/fp...10-09-02a.html
says nothing whatsoever about the school holding back rewards, etc. Clearly states the parents can opt out (but they opt out for ALL organizations and colleges etc, not just the military)
September 27th, 2007, 04:16 PM
Okay... I get it now....
If you choose to have your child's public information suppressed, then the school will do so across the board... suppress names, photos, etc. Thus, standing in front of a crowd having your name read out, having your photo up on an honor roll board with your name attached, will not happen. That's not 'punishment' that's part and parcel of deciding that you need to be kept secret or private.
Okay... I get it now....
If you choose to have your child's public information suppressed, then the school will do so across the board... suppress names, photos, etc. Thus, standing in front of a crowd having your name read out, having your photo up on an honor roll board with your name attached, will not happen. That's not 'punishment' that's part and parcel of deciding that you need to be kept secret or private.
Quoting Karlin
Under FERPA (Family Education Rights and Privacy Act),
this letter provides notice to you of the types of
student information that it releases publicly. This
type of student information, commonly referred to as
"directory information," includes the students' names,
the names of the student's parents/guardians, the
student's address, the student's date of birth and
telephone numbers and is information generally not
considered harmful or an invasion of privacy if
disclosed. If you chose not to participate, your
child's name will also not be able to appear in
anything associated with this school such as the
graduation program, honor roll list, sports programs
and the annual yearbook."
My son, like many others, is a frequent honor roll
student, will not be able to be listed. Like many
other students, if he does something noteworthy, the
school newspaper cannot mention him. He may not be
allowed to participate in graduation ceremonies. This
is wrong on many levels.
[also, but not not included here, a request to send e-mails to the school]
Under FERPA (Family Education Rights and Privacy Act),
this letter provides notice to you of the types of
student information that it releases publicly. This
type of student information, commonly referred to as
"directory information," includes the students' names,
the names of the student's parents/guardians, the
student's address, the student's date of birth and
telephone numbers and is information generally not
considered harmful or an invasion of privacy if
disclosed. If you chose not to participate, your
child's name will also not be able to appear in
anything associated with this school such as the
graduation program, honor roll list, sports programs
and the annual yearbook."
My son, like many others, is a frequent honor roll
student, will not be able to be listed. Like many
other students, if he does something noteworthy, the
school newspaper cannot mention him. He may not be
allowed to participate in graduation ceremonies. This
is wrong on many levels.
[also, but not not included here, a request to send e-mails to the school]
September 27th, 2007, 04:24 PM
Sounds like her school has just taken it too far. Basically the law says that IF you provide these marketing lists to universities and employers, you ALSO have to make it available to the military recruiters. It does NOT say the school MUST supply this information to universities, et al. So if your school provides State University with a list of graduating seniors for recruitment, it must also supply this list, when asked, to the military recruiters and other employment recruiters. Failure to make it across the board will cause loss of funding.
But again, they are not required to submit this information to anybody at all. And even when they are doing it, the parents can opt out--sort of like going on a no-call list--without the school losing federal funding.
Quoting karrie
Graduation, honor rolls, etc do not qualify as disclosure under this particular act. Typically these disclosures do not include anything but the name and possibly the child's photo, which has to be approved for release anyway--schools typically have a form sent home at the beginning of the year allowing thier likeness to be used.
Okay... I get it now....
If you choose to have your child's public information suppressed, then the school will do so across the board... suppress names, photos, etc. Thus, standing in front of a crowd having your name read out, having your photo up on an honor roll board with your name attached, will not happen. That's not 'punishment' that's part and parcel of deciding that you need to be kept secret or private.
If you choose to have your child's public information suppressed, then the school will do so across the board... suppress names, photos, etc. Thus, standing in front of a crowd having your name read out, having your photo up on an honor roll board with your name attached, will not happen. That's not 'punishment' that's part and parcel of deciding that you need to be kept secret or private.
Sounds like her school has just taken it too far. Basically the law says that IF you provide these marketing lists to universities and employers, you ALSO have to make it available to the military recruiters. It does NOT say the school MUST supply this information to universities, et al. So if your school provides State University with a list of graduating seniors for recruitment, it must also supply this list, when asked, to the military recruiters and other employment recruiters. Failure to make it across the board will cause loss of funding.
But again, they are not required to submit this information to anybody at all. And even when they are doing it, the parents can opt out--sort of like going on a no-call list--without the school losing federal funding.
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September 27th, 2007, 04:32 PM
Catchy thread title though.
Draft Tactics
What does getting information for recruiting hurt? I tell you what, don't surpress the information and let the kid have a normal life.
When the Army recruiter calls... just say you're not interested. I did, they did not call me back.
When the Navy recruiter calls... just say you're not interested. I did, they did not call me back.
When the USAF recruiter calls... just say you're not interested. I did, they did not call me back.
When the USMC recruiter calls... just say you're not interested. I was and I joined and did 4 years.
Mountain out of a mole hill. That is what this is. It's just mommy trying to protect junior from the Big Bad Wolf.
Catchy thread title though.
Draft Tactics
What does getting information for recruiting hurt? I tell you what, don't surpress the information and let the kid have a normal life.
When the Army recruiter calls... just say you're not interested. I did, they did not call me back.
When the Navy recruiter calls... just say you're not interested. I did, they did not call me back.
When the USAF recruiter calls... just say you're not interested. I did, they did not call me back.
When the USMC recruiter calls... just say you're not interested. I was and I joined and did 4 years.
Mountain out of a mole hill. That is what this is. It's just mommy trying to protect junior from the Big Bad Wolf.
September 27th, 2007, 04:37 PM
And the stuff about it being preparation for a draft... a draft is usually reliant on tax info, voter registration, etc., isn't it? They could care less if recruitment got your phone number or not when it comes time for a draft.
Quoting EagleSmack
Mountain out of a mole hill. That is what this is. It's just mommy trying to protect junior from the Big Bad Wolf.
I agree. I know plenty of people have my phone number.. they call all the time wanting me to do stuff I don't wanna do. i say no. Mountain out of a mole hill. That is what this is. It's just mommy trying to protect junior from the Big Bad Wolf.
And the stuff about it being preparation for a draft... a draft is usually reliant on tax info, voter registration, etc., isn't it? They could care less if recruitment got your phone number or not when it comes time for a draft.
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September 27th, 2007, 04:42 PM
Do you really think I wouldn't know there's more than one mother in the whole USA who would be raising hell about a pre-draft ... or that 1965 is way pre-Bush?
Hell ... if it was new - it would make news!
Wolf
Quoting I think not
I love it when raw nerves meet sarcasm. Makes a narrow rightist mind even more righteous....
It's comments like these that make the left more and more irrelevant.
Do you really think I wouldn't know there's more than one mother in the whole USA who would be raising hell about a pre-draft ... or that 1965 is way pre-Bush?
Hell ... if it was new - it would make news!
Wolf
