Clever Clogs
Posts: 583 
Location: Calgary, Alberta
Location: Calgary, Alberta
October 13th, 2006, 02:30 PM
Quoting BitWhys
Yeah, we're in the middle of a war. A stay at home defence doesn't work all that well.
funny you should say that since it wasn't all that long ago O'Conner stood in the Commons and insisted our mission would be exactly what the French and Germans were doing at the time. Something changed?
Newbie
Posts: 21
October 20th, 2006, 08:20 PM
Quoting Researcher87
He was saying extreme lefties which wouldn't include liberals. It's was the liberals who sent us to Afghanistan in the first place. Extreme lefties would support Green and NDP, which thankfully don't represent the views of 65% of canadians
Moron. Lefties make up 65% of Canadians and are probably more Canadian than you ever will be.
October 20th, 2006, 08:57 PM
Here is a little known tid bit, and proof of what you say,,,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil%27s_Brigade
They never retreated and never surendered an inch of gained ground. Although I was not a member, a lil before my time, the story of the "Devil's Brigade" made an impact on me. "Never Retreat and Never Surender", followed by "Das Dicke Ende kommt noch", tattoo'd on my arm under my Regimental ensignia. Even though they were a mixed unit, the Canadian in them sure did shine through.
Quoting Gord
Sometimes having a reputation is a bad thing. In the second world war the Canadian soldiers were sent to areas where the Allies were having problems because we got things done. In Afghanistan Canada was given the south which is the most dangerous part of the country and the most difficult to defend. I was listening to an American General on the news the other day. He stated after the Medusa mission based on the Canadian ferocity, the Taliban would not face the Canadians in an open battle again. Maybe the NATO forces should be placed under a Canadian Commander and the troops intermingled so all countries involved face the same degree of difficulty. Who knows maybe the other NATO forces could learn something from the Canadians
Here is a little known tid bit, and proof of what you say,,,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil%27s_Brigade
They never retreated and never surendered an inch of gained ground. Although I was not a member, a lil before my time, the story of the "Devil's Brigade" made an impact on me. "Never Retreat and Never Surender", followed by "Das Dicke Ende kommt noch", tattoo'd on my arm under my Regimental ensignia. Even though they were a mixed unit, the Canadian in them sure did shine through.
what green dots?
Posts: 3,157
October 21st, 2006, 12:52 AM
Quoting Sassylassie
Am I to assume it doesn't bother you that O'Conner lied?
Yep something changed we learned the French, German and Italian troops don't have to leave their party tents and are not "Permitted" to go outside after dark. Welcome to summer camp in Afghanistan Nato Members. Soup call at 11 sharp, sorry that's the Navy.
Theism Exorcist
Posts: 368
Location: The Capitol
Location: The Capitol
July 22nd, 2007, 12:46 PM
Quoting MikeyDB
Well saved me a lot of typing there mike Whether it’s the right-wing pro-American government of John Howard or it’s anyone else in the world, any criticism directed at Canada for admitting we made a mistake in throwing our young men and women into harms way in the cause of legitimizing American propaganda should be quietly ignored.
Canada shouldn’t have troops in Afghanistan and a withdrawal should have been begun months ago.
How legitimate can this action in Afghanistan be when rationally dissected?
Whether they’re from Italy, Ireland, Russia China or Japan, terrorists and gangsters have killed thousands while committing their crimes. The streets of Chicago, Montreal, Vancouver, New York, all major cities in North America have been battlegrounds for criminals and criminal gangs since the end of the First World War, and has any nation decided it appropriate to “police” these criminals countries of origin?
And yet now because the Taliban were complicit in supporting the criminal conspiracy of Al Queada who attacked the U.S. Spain, Britain and a number of other nations, the Afghan people are dying. If the United States wants to find Osama bin Laden and round up the perpetrators behind 9/11 then fine, but where is the line drawn between going after the guilty and punishing the whole nation?
The United States has used and supported terrorists (gangsters) both directly by training terrorists and by funding and militarily supporting oppressive regimes across a wide spectrum of nations. Dictatorships having found a sympathetic ear in American business circles, legitimizing murder and mayhem from Nicaragua and Panama to East Timor Columbia and Indonesia and Malaysia.
That’s an observation not a judgment by the way.
Israel has used both with permission and without permission, Canadian passports as subterfuge in prosecuting their war on the “enemies of Israel”, an action if committed by many different nations would be justly called spying and rank right up there with the heinous judgments leveled against the Soviets.
Is it the cause of “justice” that’s behind the current action in Afghanistan or is it a manipulation by American oil cartels to attempt to secure a pipeline right of way that the Soviets failed in doing a number of years ago?
If the hunger for retribution and desire to punish those responsible for September 11/2001 is behind the militarism taking place in Afghanistan, why aren’t there actions being taken against Saudi Arabia, Yemen or a number of other nations that have also participated in over-looking Al Qeada?
Because it’s not about bringing democracy to Afghanistan, and not about hunting down the bad guys from 9/11, it’s all about American corporate warfare to retain control over the supply and distribution of fossil fuels.
And if any Canadian thinks that the American corporate community cares whether Canada approves or disapproves of its policies and actions, we have only to remember our wonderful North American Free Trade Agreement to garner some insight into how prepared the United States is to honor its “agreements”.
What the American engine of commerce loves to see though is a mindless ape like Stephen Harper capitulating to every American injustice and sacrificing Canadian men and women in supporting that engine. When the time comes when it’s Canada’s turn to reap the rewards of being the good little neighbour, having embraced the warmongering of the American administration and having aligned ourselves with the U.S. military in murdering innocent Afghanis and Iraqis you can bet any decision to reward Canada will be subject to the same formula and dynamics found acceptable or unacceptable in our wonderful NAFTA “agreement”.
Canada should be out of Afghanistan and never should have become involved there in the first place.
We have FBI and CIA policing inside Canada now, we have patrol boats along our Great Lakes mutual border that have mounted machine guns, we have watched the great Stephen Harper screw Canadians out of a billion dollars in the name of cow-towing to American industry….
Why don’t we just send a delegation to Washington and surrender now?
All the rabid pro-American fanatics here at Canadian Content would welcome taking down the Canadian flag and raising Old Glory over their homesteads I’m sure.
Canada shouldn’t have troops in Afghanistan and a withdrawal should have been begun months ago.
How legitimate can this action in Afghanistan be when rationally dissected?
Whether they’re from Italy, Ireland, Russia China or Japan, terrorists and gangsters have killed thousands while committing their crimes. The streets of Chicago, Montreal, Vancouver, New York, all major cities in North America have been battlegrounds for criminals and criminal gangs since the end of the First World War, and has any nation decided it appropriate to “police” these criminals countries of origin?
And yet now because the Taliban were complicit in supporting the criminal conspiracy of Al Queada who attacked the U.S. Spain, Britain and a number of other nations, the Afghan people are dying. If the United States wants to find Osama bin Laden and round up the perpetrators behind 9/11 then fine, but where is the line drawn between going after the guilty and punishing the whole nation?
The United States has used and supported terrorists (gangsters) both directly by training terrorists and by funding and militarily supporting oppressive regimes across a wide spectrum of nations. Dictatorships having found a sympathetic ear in American business circles, legitimizing murder and mayhem from Nicaragua and Panama to East Timor Columbia and Indonesia and Malaysia.
That’s an observation not a judgment by the way.
Israel has used both with permission and without permission, Canadian passports as subterfuge in prosecuting their war on the “enemies of Israel”, an action if committed by many different nations would be justly called spying and rank right up there with the heinous judgments leveled against the Soviets.
Is it the cause of “justice” that’s behind the current action in Afghanistan or is it a manipulation by American oil cartels to attempt to secure a pipeline right of way that the Soviets failed in doing a number of years ago?
If the hunger for retribution and desire to punish those responsible for September 11/2001 is behind the militarism taking place in Afghanistan, why aren’t there actions being taken against Saudi Arabia, Yemen or a number of other nations that have also participated in over-looking Al Qeada?
Because it’s not about bringing democracy to Afghanistan, and not about hunting down the bad guys from 9/11, it’s all about American corporate warfare to retain control over the supply and distribution of fossil fuels.
And if any Canadian thinks that the American corporate community cares whether Canada approves or disapproves of its policies and actions, we have only to remember our wonderful North American Free Trade Agreement to garner some insight into how prepared the United States is to honor its “agreements”.
What the American engine of commerce loves to see though is a mindless ape like Stephen Harper capitulating to every American injustice and sacrificing Canadian men and women in supporting that engine. When the time comes when it’s Canada’s turn to reap the rewards of being the good little neighbour, having embraced the warmongering of the American administration and having aligned ourselves with the U.S. military in murdering innocent Afghanis and Iraqis you can bet any decision to reward Canada will be subject to the same formula and dynamics found acceptable or unacceptable in our wonderful NAFTA “agreement”.
Canada should be out of Afghanistan and never should have become involved there in the first place.
We have FBI and CIA policing inside Canada now, we have patrol boats along our Great Lakes mutual border that have mounted machine guns, we have watched the great Stephen Harper screw Canadians out of a billion dollars in the name of cow-towing to American industry….
Why don’t we just send a delegation to Washington and surrender now?
All the rabid pro-American fanatics here at Canadian Content would welcome taking down the Canadian flag and raising Old Glory over their homesteads I’m sure.
Electoral Member
Posts: 123
November 15th, 2007, 03:14 PM
I am very proud of what we're doing in Afghanistan and I hope that we continue.
Before we even went there, I was wondering why the world was ignoring what was going on there. The Readers Digest had an article at the time (gez 6 or 7 or 8 years ago?? can't remember) and I was appalled at what was happening there. I wrote to various government organizations asking why we weren't doing anything. So I was happy when NATO went in.
I'm ashamed of the world's response, however, for the likes of Dufar, Rawanda and others. We should have done exactly the same thing but we didn't. God help us for ignoring those people in their time of need. We have much to explain as part of the world who, for all intents and purposes allowed hundreds of thousands of people die. I don't know how some of the world's leaders sleep at night knowing this. Ah, but of course, it was the UN involved there wasn't it!! If anything was to be bombed in the US, that building and those in it would be my first choice!!
JMO
I am very proud of what we're doing in Afghanistan and I hope that we continue.
Before we even went there, I was wondering why the world was ignoring what was going on there. The Readers Digest had an article at the time (gez 6 or 7 or 8 years ago?? can't remember) and I was appalled at what was happening there. I wrote to various government organizations asking why we weren't doing anything. So I was happy when NATO went in.
I'm ashamed of the world's response, however, for the likes of Dufar, Rawanda and others. We should have done exactly the same thing but we didn't. God help us for ignoring those people in their time of need. We have much to explain as part of the world who, for all intents and purposes allowed hundreds of thousands of people die. I don't know how some of the world's leaders sleep at night knowing this. Ah, but of course, it was the UN involved there wasn't it!! If anything was to be bombed in the US, that building and those in it would be my first choice!!
JMO
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Location: USA
Location: USA
November 15th, 2007, 03:37 PM
Quoting Gord
With regards to WWII where might those areas be? The British didn't get Canada really into the picture until 1943 Sicily. Unless of course you count Dieppe. That didn't go too well.
Sometimes having a reputation is a bad thing. In the second world war the Canadian soldiers were sent to areas where the Allies were having problems because we got things done. In Afghanistan Canada was given the south which is the most dangerous part of the country and the most difficult to defend. I was listening to an American General on the news the other day. He stated after the Medusa mission based on the Canadian ferocity, the Taliban would not face the Canadians in an open battle again. Maybe the NATO forces should be placed under a Canadian Commander and the troops intermingled so all countries involved face the same degree of difficulty. Who knows maybe the other NATO forces could learn something from the Canadians
Grossly Underrated
Posts: 5,514
Location: In the bush somewhere near Sudbury
Location: In the bush somewhere near Sudbury
November 15th, 2007, 03:46 PM
Tell that to the First Division who were there for Christmas 1939 - many of whom fought their ways (assigned to British units) across North Africa. Tell it the airmen who fought the Battle of Britain or with Coastal Command. I dare you to say it to the many hundreds of men on North Atlantic convoy escorts and PICKET details - or even to men who staffed BCATP and turned out pilots and crews in the thousands. Let's not forget Canadians in Singapore, Ceylon and Hong Kong - a great many of whom never came home. Where might those areas be?
Woof!
Tell that to the First Division who were there for Christmas 1939 - many of whom fought their ways (assigned to British units) across North Africa. Tell it the airmen who fought the Battle of Britain or with Coastal Command. I dare you to say it to the many hundreds of men on North Atlantic convoy escorts and PICKET details - or even to men who staffed BCATP and turned out pilots and crews in the thousands. Let's not forget Canadians in Singapore, Ceylon and Hong Kong - a great many of whom never came home. Where might those areas be?
Woof!
House Member
Posts: 2,445
Location: SW Ontario
Location: SW Ontario
November 15th, 2007, 06:02 PM
Homey don't play that game. I'm a proud Canadian but I also have a world of respect and admiration for Americans.
A question was asked and we answered.
Quoting gerryh
Wolf and Facts...haven't you heard? The americans won both WWI and WWII with basically no help from anyone else....pretty well single handed from what I have been told.
Homey don't play that game. I'm a proud Canadian but I also have a world of respect and admiration for Americans.A question was asked and we answered.
Steven Hawking's Tutor
Posts: 5,380
Location: Kamloops BC
Location: Kamloops BC
November 15th, 2007, 06:28 PM
Of Course you all seem to forget this little story
How Bush Was Offered Bin Laden and Blew It
http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn11012004.html
Of Course you all seem to forget this little story
How Bush Was Offered Bin Laden and Blew It
http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn11012004.html
House Member
Posts: 3,187
Location: USA
Location: USA
November 15th, 2007, 08:07 PM
But what I asked was not whether Canada contributed to the war effort. I asked him to give some examples as to where US and British troops were pulled out and Canadians put in because they are better.
The thing is that you Candians LOVE to zing the US and others at every step. Look at the arrogance in the guys post.
"A Canadian should be put in charge of NATO Forces"
"NATO can learn from Canada."
"Canadians were put in the tough spots over Americans and British." (or something like that.)
You speak arrogantly and go Ape Dung when someone talks back. But Heaven forbid you get ZINGED back! All JIHAD breaks loose!
Quoting lone wolf
Funny... I just can't find any Canadian Units in WWII N. Africa in the Canada at War webpage.
Tell that to the First Division who were there for Christmas 1940 - many of whom fought their ways (assigned to British units) across North Africa. Tell it the airmen who fought the Battle of Britain or with Coastal Command. I dare you to say it to the many hundreds of men on North Atlantic convoy escorts and PICKET details - or even to men who staffed BCATP and turned out pilots and crews in the thousands. Let's not forget Canadians in Singapore, Ceylon and Hong Kong - a great many of whom never came home. Where might those areas be?
Woof!
Woof!
But what I asked was not whether Canada contributed to the war effort. I asked him to give some examples as to where US and British troops were pulled out and Canadians put in because they are better.
The thing is that you Candians LOVE to zing the US and others at every step. Look at the arrogance in the guys post.
"A Canadian should be put in charge of NATO Forces"
"NATO can learn from Canada."
"Canadians were put in the tough spots over Americans and British." (or something like that.)
You speak arrogantly and go Ape Dung when someone talks back. But Heaven forbid you get ZINGED back! All JIHAD breaks loose!
House Member
Posts: 3,187
Location: USA
Location: USA
November 15th, 2007, 08:10 PM
Who said that?
Ohhhhh...right. That is another Canadian "thing".
Quoting gerryh
Wolf and Facts...haven't you heard? The americans won both WWI and WWII with basically no help from anyone else....pretty well single handed from what I have been told.
Who said that?
Ohhhhh...right. That is another Canadian "thing".
House Member
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Location: USA
Location: USA
November 15th, 2007, 08:13 PM
Cool. And by mixed you mean a US-Canadian Special Forces Unit. Check out their patch. Tip of the arrow.
Quoting CDNBear
Here is a little known tid bit, and proof of what you say,,,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil%27s_Brigade
They never retreated and never surendered an inch of gained ground. Although I was not a member, a lil before my time, the story of the "Devil's Brigade" made an impact on me. "Never Retreat and Never Surender", followed by "Das Dicke Ende kommt noch", tattoo'd on my arm under my Regimental ensignia. Even though they were a mixed unit, the Canadian in them sure did shine through.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil%27s_Brigade
They never retreated and never surendered an inch of gained ground. Although I was not a member, a lil before my time, the story of the "Devil's Brigade" made an impact on me. "Never Retreat and Never Surender", followed by "Das Dicke Ende kommt noch", tattoo'd on my arm under my Regimental ensignia. Even though they were a mixed unit, the Canadian in them sure did shine through.
Cool. And by mixed you mean a US-Canadian Special Forces Unit. Check out their patch. Tip of the arrow.
Council Member
Posts: 1,689
Location: Alberta, Canada
Location: Alberta, Canada
November 15th, 2007, 08:24 PM
I've been told that more times than I can remember, on a few different boards....by different americans.
Quoting EagleSmack
Who said that?
Ohhhhh...right. That is another Canadian "thing".
Ohhhhh...right. That is another Canadian "thing".
I've been told that more times than I can remember, on a few different boards....by different americans.
