Transition from Windows to Apple

#juan

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A week or so ago I posted a topic about the power supply on my wife's computer dying and taking a few things with it. It seemed like it was going to be alright with the new RAM but it has been acting weird and my wife is getting to the end of her patience.
Her dilemma right now is what to buy; Another PC or an Apple. She is into genealogy in a big way and she has a ton of files representing ten or twelve years of work. Most of these files, mainly text but quite a few photos, are backed up on CDs My first question is will these files be readable with an Apple computer? Will there be a difficult transition for her going from Windows to Apple?
 

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I wish I could help you #juan, but I use a PC.
I'm curious to see the answer to your question though. The next time we purchase a computer we may take the same things into consideration.
I know anyone that I have ever talked to about Apple has absolutely loved it and would't go back.
 

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A week or so ago I posted a topic about the power supply on my wife's computer dying and taking a few things with it. It seemed like it was going to be alright with the new RAM but it has been acting weird and my wife is getting to the end of her patience.
Her dilemma right now is what to buy; Another PC or an Apple. She is into genealogy in a big way and she has a ton of files representing ten or twelve years of work. Most of these files, mainly text but quite a few photos, are backed up on CDs My first question is will these files be readable with an Apple computer? Will there be a difficult transition for her going from Windows to Apple?

It shouldn't be that difficult Juan, Most pictures/photos are in the JPG format and mac can read these no problem, text is ok, Mac even uses some pc programs now- as soon as this PC dies i am switching to a MAC, I saw a an imac at best buy for 1,800.00 beautiful machine everything was contained in the 24" monitor - no big goofy tower to contend with or cables strewn all over-no blue screen of death, all the software you need is included, and they are FAST.

Hope this helps
Lester
 

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...will these files be readable with an Apple computer? Will there be a difficult transition for her going from Windows to Apple?
They should be readable on any machine, at least in principle, but in practice that doesn't always work. There's a standard file system for these things called ISO 9660 (or something like that; I'd have to look it up to be sure) that any OS--Windows, Linux, Mac, etc.--should be able to read, but the vagaries of how standards are implemented by various vendors sometimes messes things up. Is there a place near you that sells Apples or do you know anybody who has one? Take a couple of CDs with you and test it.

Shouldn't be a difficult transition going from Windows to Apple. I've never used one myself, but I've seen some fairly unintelligent people manage it and I presume your wife is not one of those. She'll be working happily in a day or two, at most.
 

#juan

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It shouldn't be that difficult Juan, Most pictures/photos are in the JPG format and mac can read these no problem, text is ok, Mac even uses some pc programs now- as soon as this PC dies i am switching to a MAC, I saw a an imac at best buy for 1,800.00 beautiful machine everything was contained in the 24" monitor - no big goofy tower to contend with or cables strewn all over-no blue screen of death, all the software you need is included, and they are FAST.

Hope this helps
Lester

Thanks Lester
Your help is appreciated. I think my wife is leaning towards the Mac, in no small part because it doesn't have that great spaghetti mess of wires and power bars. We're going out this afternoon. Maybe she'll make a decision.
 

#juan

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They should be readable on any machine, at least in principle, but in practice that doesn't always work. There's a standard file system for these things called ISO 9660 (or something like that; I'd have to look it up to be sure) that any OS--Windows, Linux, Mac, etc.--should be able to read, but the vagaries of how standards are implemented by various vendors sometimes messes things up. Is there a place near you that sells Apples or do you know anybody who has one? Take a couple of CDs with you and test it.

Shouldn't be a difficult transition going from Windows to Apple. I've never used one myself, but I've seen some fairly unintelligent people manage it and I presume your wife is not one of those. She'll be working happily in a day or two, at most.

Thank you very much Dexter
We will just do that. Frankly, I'm hoping she goes with Apple. I'm still a little miffed that last year when I bought a new computer and I had to buy a new XP OS for $250.00 and I couldn't use it in my wife's computer as well. The dealer; Staples, told me of an extra user licence that I could buy from Microsoft which would let my wife use it for something less than the full price but Microsoft wouldn't even talk to me about it.......Told me to go away......arrogant pr--ks.;-) ...........Linix is looking better all the time:smile:
 

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Since I worked both in PC and Mac for my jobs, perhaps I can shed some light on this subject.

Your files on the PC shouldn't have too much issue being read on the Mac. Jpgs, Tifs, Targas, Gifs, BMPs, and all those other image formats should work just as well on the Mac with no modifications required. You may have to install a third party program such as Photoshop or Illustrator if you wanted to view or edit some of the more complex image formats such as Targa, Ai, Eps, PSD, PDF, etc. But overall they should open just fine on a Mac.

Your text documents may have a bit more trouble depending on the program used and format saved. If you used Microsoft Office for most of those files, then you should be ok. However some other files, such as ones made from Word Perfect, etc. may have issues opening up on the Mac text programs. The solution to this is to just purchase Microsoft Office for your Mac (They made it)

Now another concern you may come accross is if you make files on your mac, save them on your mac, and then try and send those files to a PC. Macs have the tendancy to create files with no file extensions (ie: setup.exe will just be setup on a PC when copied) So when you copy a file over to a PC, make sure that you rename the file on the PC with the added extension, or else the PC isn't going to know what the heck it is.

As it goes for general comparisons between PC's and Macs, well that depends on what you want and/or like.

PC's can and will crash or get all mucked up in time, but I have always found that there were various solutions available to solve the problem on the fly, and I have yet to loose any major files on a PC. However when I worked on macs, esspecially during the time I was in a photography studio, the Mac crashed an awful lot (Something to do with the RAM and the Video Card having issues with one another or something)

When a Mac crashes, it crashes bad. I believe the new OS has added a little thing similar to Windows' Task Manager so you can shut things down on the fly as well which give you issues, but from memory, I didn't like it still. Usually when a Mac crashes, you're screwed, you have to restart the computer and hope it doesn't happen again, with no explinations.

Macs don't have to deal with anti-virus programs, because they don't get viruses (yet) mainly due to most of them being designed for PCs, rather then Macs. So Macs are good in that aspect.

However, PC's have more programs available on the market in comparison to the Macs, and overall, if you see something being advertised on TV, be that a program, game, movie, whatever... chances are it'll be on a PC before it's on a Mac.

Macs are apparently better for graphical use in comparison to PC's as their graphics are intergrated into the system, but I personally never noticed a major difference between the two for what I need to do.

It basically boils down to how you build your computer and what you put into it. But then that also comes down to cost differences. While Macs are becoming more closer to the price range of Dells, Compaqs, IBMs, and the sort of brand name PCs, if one was so inclined, usually you can build a custom PC yourself, or by a nearby computer store for far less then the brand name computers, or a Mac, and possibly more powerful too.

With Macs, there's not much for customizing, besides upgrading RAM, CPU, Video Card, etc.... but then you get into costs again, esspecially when you may have to get the parts shipped to you, or you ship your computer to them if you do not have a store nearby which specializes in Macs.

Overall as an unbiased opinion, both Macs and PCs have their pros and cons.... and depending on the system you compare to, there's not really much any difference for performance. It's mostly all about preference.

One thing though.... if you haven't been on a Mac before and only experienced PCs, although both Operating Systems seem similar in operation, they are still very different in many aspects and you will basically need to relearn a whole new OS and how it works.

Personally and professionally though, I prefer PC's over Macs. My reasons are that I find I can do more within the Windows OS then in the Mac OS, they are generally cheaper the way I build my systems and use them, I don't like how limited the Mac OS is when a problem occurs, and I don't choose my system based on it's outside apperance. I have lost many files on a Mac during crashes, while I have only lost a select few over the years on a PC.
 

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I work with a Mac and I've had no problems using text files coming from a PC. And from what I've used of Office for Mac, it works very well... I wouldn't be too worried, unless your wife works with a specific geneology software that isn't available for Mac. If that's the case, I'd definitely go for PC.
 

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I work with a Mac and I've had no problems using text files coming from a PC. And from what I've used of Office for Mac, it works very well... I wouldn't be too worried, unless your wife works with a specific geneology software that isn't available for Mac. If that's the case, I'd definitely go for PC.

A few things must have changed since I last used a Mac then when it comes to documents. I do remember I had a hell of a time with Word Perfect documents in the past.

And most of my issues I encountered were mainly graphically intense projects, so if you're working mostly in documents and not high quality images or illustrations which take a gig+ of ram each, then you're probably fine.
 

#juan

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Thank you Praxius, s_lone

The geneology program is definitely available for Macs. But it looks like the cost factor id going to dictate here. It is still possible to buy a new PC with as many, or more bells and whistles than the cheapest Apple for a better price. Add a hundred and fiftty dollars for apple flavoured geneolagy software and the cost of interface adaptors on a couple items since Mac uses USB for everything and we are talking about a cost difference of over three hundred dollars. Is the Mac worth that difference?
 

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I have worked on and used Mac, Linux and various Windows versions. They all have their strengths and weaknesses.

Here are some strengths & weaknesses of the major 3, not by any means a definitive list.

Linux Strengths:
-Highly customizable with open source software
-Reliable as both a server or desktop OS
-It's free
-Win32 compatibility via via Wine
-Office compatibility via OpenOffice
-Active support community which can help you with just about anything Linux

Linux Weaknesses:
-Steep learning curve if you plan on doing anything other then browsing the web, office apps
-Driver support can be spotty for certain types of hardware ie: Printers, ATI video cards
-Confusing amounts of distro's.
-Gaming support is negligible, you can run a limited number of OpenGL games (no DirectX)
-no standardized desktop GUI... some distros use KDE, others use Gnome.

Mac Strengths:
-BSD unix foundation which is what makes MacOS so stable & difficult to write viri to
-Closed system, less likelihood of shoddy drivers as apple is the sole builder of their systems.
-Mac's can easily dual boot windows since they share the same x86 architecture.
-Support for MS Office
-Lots of eye candy
-Support for a mind boggling amount of Graphic, illustration, Audio/Video apps.

Mac Weaknesses:
-Overpriced
-Lack of quality games
-Limited hardware upgrade options
-Holier then thou attitude which a seems to be prevalent in the Mac community

Windows Strengths:
- Massive amount of software available be is open source, freeware or closed source.
- Highly customizable
- You can build your own
- Gaming Support from all first tier games publishers
- Hardware upgrades are trivial to perform

Windows Weaknesses:
-Windows Vista is a pig on any hardware less then 2 years old
-Windows activation
- Shoddy drivers which cause the majority of blue screens
- Prone to viruses if one isn't tech savvy
 

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Thank you Praxius, s_lone

The geneology program is definitely available for Macs. But it looks like the cost factor id going to dictate here. It is still possible to buy a new PC with as many, or more bells and whistles than the cheapest Apple for a better price. Add a hundred and fiftty dollars for apple flavoured geneolagy software and the cost of interface adaptors on a couple items since Mac uses USB for everything and we are talking about a cost difference of over three hundred dollars. Is the Mac worth that difference?

You know actually thinking about it now, you'd be better off getting a new PC with Windows Vista. My mother and a few friends I know have Vista and overall I don't mind it. It does have a lot more security to it like a Mac and unlike XP, and it is much more stable in my experience with the program. And besides making Vista look prettier then XP and adding a few new features here and there, it's still pretty much the same operating system layout, so there's practically no new major re-learning required like you'd need with Mac's OS.

Oh and I almost forgot about something that bugged the snot out of me with Macs..... Most usually come with just a one-button mouse, not a two button, let alone a scroll wheel. You can buy the three button/scroll wheel mice for Macs, but until you do, you're probably going to be stuck with the one button, pressing the damn apple key or whatever when you need to normally right-click for the secondary menu..... and scrolling old skool, just isn't any fun.

Apparently Vista has similar security features as Mac's OSX, so overall, when it comes to cost, functionability, familiarity, and stability, you're probably better off with a PC + Vista, since you're already experienced in Windows.

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If that OS you said you bought didn't work for the system you currently had, my guess it that it was Vista. If so, try and see if you can just buy a blank system and install the OS you already paid for on the new system.... save some money. Chances are your computer is about as old as my current one, if not older. I attempted to install vista on it, but I had some issues with it, and I just switched back to XP to save headaches.

I know that when I plan on upgrading, I'm going to go and buy a whole new system (kinda need to know) and I'll be getting vista then. Until then, I'll suck up XP and my 5-7 year old system.

But hey, it's got 1.5gigs of RAM, a 2.0Ghz Athlon CPU, 2x 120gig WD Hard Drives, a GeForce 6 256MB video card and a few other trinkets, so it's still pretty good by today's standards..... but I am begining to notice it's limitations.
 
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#juan

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Thanks Durka

In your estimation, is Mac worth the $300 odd dollar difference over a PC?
 

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Thanks Durka

In your estimation, is Mac worth the $300 odd dollar difference over a PC?

That depends on the type of Mac you are talking about. I assume if the price difference is only $300 you are talking about an i-Mac. I wouldn't have a problem recommending an I-Mac as long as you know that they are the least upgradeable of the Mac's, if you are content with only being able to upgrade the harddrive & RAM down the road, go for it.
 

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Thanks Durka

In your estimation, is Mac worth the $300 odd dollar difference over a PC?

I know you didn't ask me, but screw it :p

I'm going off my own personal experience of being thrown right on a Mac before with no experience in the following:

• You may become disapointed in the OS's lack of flexibility compared to Windows.
• You may take a while to wipe most of the old Windows shortcuts and tricks you learned over the years. Some still work on a Mac, like cut/copy/paste, but a little differently.
• You will take a good while to get used to how things run on a Mac, and depending on your personality, you may get a little pissed that you paid more for something that you basically have to learn from scratch and it doesn't quite do things you're used to.

Basically in a nutshell, Mac's Panther OSX is much more simplistic in some aspects and you may feel you can not do as much as you used to on a PC. In my opinion, they made the OS very basic for operation, so if you didn't like all the additional crap you had to pay attention to on XP or Vista, then you may like OSX. If you liked that level of control and modification in XP or Vista, and knowing what exactly is going on on your computer, then XP/Vista is your gig.

Here's an idea.....

Go into the shop and ask the guys there to let you at a Mac. Or go somewhere where they have macs you can use, like a Cyber Cafe or a friend. Play around with the OS and getting on the web. Open some text documents and anything else you feel you will use often and see how you like it.

If you like it, you do, and therefore you can judge whether the additional cost is worth it or not. If you hate it and think it's the Fisher Price version of XP, then you know.
 

#juan

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Thanks again Praxius, Durka Durka and all who have posted here.

My problem right now is information overload.

Right now I can buy an Apple Mini for about $750.00. This includes the OS, and a hard drive and DVD burner, and 1 gig of RAM I have to spend another $80.00 for a hub to take care of a few things, printer, etc. that don't have usb connectors. I also have to spend another $120.00 for geneology software for Apple. No monitor.

Compare at $800.00 for this HP PC 2.5 ghrtz, 500 gig hard drive, 3 gig RAM, DVD burner, nineteen inch LCD monitor, My wife's wireless three button mouse will work with it as well as her geneology software

Looks like the PC is it.
 

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Thanks again Praxius, Durka Durka and all who have posted here.

My problem right now is information overload.

Right now I can buy an Apple Mini for about $750.00. This includes the OS, and a hard drive and DVD burner, and 1 gig of RAM I have to spend another $80.00 for a hub to take care of a few things, printer, etc. that don't have usb connectors. I also have to spend another $120.00 for geneology software for Apple. No monitor.

Compare at $800.00 for this HP PC 2.5 ghrtz, 500 gig hard drive, 3 gig RAM, DVD burner, nineteen inch LCD monitor, My wife's wireless three button mouse will work with it as well as her geneology software

Looks like the PC is it.

Juan, I would not recommend a Mac Mini under any circumstance. The Mac mini is a crippled laptop shoved in a shoe box, if you are going to go with a Mac, start with an I-Mac and go up from there.

Juan, have you considered buying a pc from an independently owned shop? HP makes an alright pc but you might find a better deal from local guys and the support will probably be a lot better as well.
 
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Sorry , I hate PC's, stupid trial software, blue screen. viruses, download this, download that "error" sorry windows has encountered a problem and needs to close- the spreadsheet you've slaved over for four hours is now toast -sorry-apologetic peices of junk
 

#juan

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How about Compaq> They can do almost the same computer for about $550.00