A warning for the people of Earth

Quote: Originally Posted by petros

Yup. Too many eaters not enough cleared land to farm. Solution: Eliminate 75% of the global population.

Whose first?

You Avro?

Quote: Originally Posted by petros

Seen it before. Does this jackass have jobs for the 95% of the global population who are subsistance farmers so they can buy food?

No farm, no food. No job, no food.

Quote: Originally Posted by petros

I'll say it again....95% of the global population are subsistence farmers. That means it's from field to mouth and nothing goes to market.

Mr. Rees makes zero reference to the fact population isn't getting any lower. The entire talk is based on current global population.

Some Soviet type food collective will never fly.

Socialists like him will be shot long before some Yankee gives up his steak.

Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny

You're saying that 95% of the world's population are subsistence farmers?

I'll say it again, we continue to grow and consume until we have nothing left.

Six countries - the US, Canada, France, Australia, Argentina and Thailand - supply 90% of -- globally.

Quote: Originally Posted by petros

Yuuuuup!

And I'll say it again. Population control is the only out.

20,000 dead per day everyday at current levels. Is it because there is no food or because they can't afford to buy it?

Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny

You're saying that 95% of the world's population are subsistence farmers?

Quote: Originally Posted by Avro

How long do you suppose we have?

Quote: Originally Posted by petros

No you don't have to set up death camps. You simply restrict new land from being cleared using "green laws".



We've been ****ed ever since ground water became poisonous.

Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny

Quite frankly, I find it hard to believe that 95% of China engages in subsistence agriculture, much less the world.

Quote: Originally Posted by petros

What are you opinions on Bill HR 875 passed by Congress?

Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny

Quite frankly, I find it hard to believe that 95% of China engages in subsistence agriculture, much less the world.

Quote: Originally Posted by petros

You'd best check into that. Within your life time in Canada farm populations have gone from 25% to 2%. Go back another generation and 95% were farmers just like the majority of the global population.. Do you really believe the rest of the planet should be packed into unsustainable cities? What will they do for work to buy food?

If mined fertilizers were stopped today food production globally gets cut in half. There is no 'hippy organic solution" to the food issue without losing half of the planets current levels of food production.

Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny

Quite frankly, I find it hard to believe that 95% of China engages in subsistence agriculture, much less the world.

Quote: Originally Posted by Avro

I don't know anything about it.

FAO Initiative on Soaring Food Prices
By mid-2008, international food prices had skyrocketed to their highest level in 30 years. This, coupled with the global economic downturn, pushed millions more people into poverty and hunger.

Though food prices have fallen from those 2008 peaks, they are higher than they were before the onset of the food price crisis and will likely remain volatile.

Efforts need to be scaled up at all levels to strengthen the resilience of small farmers to future shocks and to improve food and nutrition security over the long term [--].

Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy

What happens to humanity when we reach the breaking point and the resources can no longer support us? Like I have been saying, mindless consumerism will be the downfall of us all. Humanities numbers will be greatly reduced either by choice or by natural disaster. Either way, balance will be eventually reached.

SEC. 401. PROHIBITED ACTS.

It is prohibited--

(1) to manufacture, introduce, deliver for introduction, or receive in interstate commerce any food that is adulterated, misbranded, or otherwise unsafe;


(2) to adulterate or misbrand any food in interstate commerce;


(3) for a food establishment or foreign food establishment to fail to register under section 202, or to operate without a valid registration;


(4) to refuse to permit access to a food establishment or food production facility for the inspection and copying of a record as required under sections 205(f) and 206(a);


(5) to fail to establish or maintain any record or to make any report as required under sections 205(f) and 206(b);


(6) to refuse to permit entry to or inspection of a food establishment as required under section 205;


(7) to fail to provide to the Administrator the results of testing or sampling of food, equipment, or material in contact with food, that is positive for any contaminant under section 205(f)(1)(B);


( to fail to comply with a provision, regulation, or order of the Administrator under section 202, 203, 204, 206, or 208;


(9) to slaughter an animal that is capable for use in whole or in part as human food at a food establishment processing any food for commerce, except in compliance with the food safety law;


(10) to transfer food in violation of an administrative detention order under section 402 or to remove or alter a required mark or label identifying the food as detained;


(11) to fail to comply with a recall or other order under section 403; or


(12) to otherwise violate the food safety law.



SEC. 402. FOOD DETENTION, SEIZURE, AND CONDEMNATION.

(a) Administrative Detention of Food-

(1) EXPANDED AUTHORITY- The Administrator shall have authority under section 304 of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (--) to administratively detain and seize any food regulated under this Act that the Administrator has reason to believe is unsafe, is adulterated or misbranded, or otherwise fails to meet the requirements of the food safety law.


(2) DETENTION AUTHORITY- If, during an inspection conducted in accordance with section 205 or 208, an officer, employee, or agent of the Administration making the inspection has reason to believe that a domestic food, imported food, or food offered for import is unsafe, is adulterated or misbranded, or otherwise fails to meet the requirements of this the food safety law, the officer, employee, or agent may order the food detained.


(3) PERIOD OF DETENTION-

(A) IN GENERAL- A food may be detained under paragraph (1) or (2) for a reasonable period, not to exceed 20 days, unless a longer period, not to exceed 30 days, is necessary for the Administrator to institute a seizure action.


(B) PERISHABLE FOOD- The Administrator shall provide by regulation for procedures to institute a seizure action on an expedited basis with respect to perishable food.



(4) SECURITY OF DETAINED FOOD-

(A) IN GENERAL- A detention order under this subsection--

(i) may require that the food be labeled or marked as detained; and


(ii) shall require that the food be removed to a secure facility, if appropriate.



(B) FOOD SUBJECT TO AN ORDER- A food subject to a detention order under this subsection shall not be transferred by any person from the place at which the food is removed, until released by the Administrator or until the expiration of the detention period applicable under the order, whichever occurs first.


(C) DELIVERY OF FOOD- This subsection does not authorize the delivery of a food in accordance with execution of a bond while the article is subject to the order.




(b) Appeal of Detention Order-

(1) IN GENERAL- A person who would be entitled to be a claimant for a food subject to a detention order under subsection (a) if the food were seized under section 304 of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (--), may appeal the order to the Administrator.


(2) ACTION BY THE ADMINISTRATOR- Not later than 5 days after an appeal is filed under paragraph (1), the Administrator, after providing an opportunity for an informal hearing, shall confirm, modify, or terminate the order involved.


(3) FINAL AGENCY ACTION- Confirmation, modification, or termination by the Administrator under paragraph (2) shall be considered a final agency action for purposes of --.


(4) TERMINATION- A detention order under subsection (a) shall be considered to be terminated if, after 5 days, the Administrator has failed--

(A) to provide an opportunity for an informal hearing; or


(B) to confirm, modify, or terminate the order.



(5) EFFECT OF INSTITUTING COURT ACTION- If the Administrator initiates an action under section 302 of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (--) or section 304(a) of that Act (--) for a food subject to a detention order under subsection (a), the process for the appeal of the detention order with respect to such food shall terminate.



(c) Condemnation of Food-

(1) IN GENERAL- After confirming a detention order, the Administrator may order the food condemned.


(2) DESTRUCTION OF FOOD- Any food condemned shall be destroyed under the supervision of the Administrator.


(3) RELEASE OF FOOD- If the Administrator determines that, through reprocessing, relabeling, or other action, a detained food can be brought into compliance with this Act, the food may be released following a determination by the Administrator that the relabeling or other action as specified by the Administrator has been performed.



(d) Temporary Holds at Ports of Entry-

(1) IN GENERAL- If an officer or qualified employee of the Administration has reason to believe that a food is unsafe, is adulterated or misbranded, or otherwise fails to meet the requirements of this Act, and the officer or qualified employee is unable to inspect, examine, or investigate the food when the food is offered for import at a port of entry into the United States, the officer or qualified employee shall request the Secretary of Homeland Security to hold the food at the port of entry for a reasonable period of time, not to exceed 24 hours, to enable the Administrator to inspect or investigate the food as appropriate.


(2) REMOVAL TO SECURE FACILITY- The Administrator shall work in coordination with the Secretary of Homeland Security to remove a food held in accordance with paragraph (1) to a secure facility as appropriate.


(3) PROHIBITION ON TRANSFER- During the period in which food is held, the food shall not be transferred by any person from the port of entry into the United States, or from the secure facility to which the food has been removed.


(4) DELIVERY IN ACCORDANCE WITH A BOND- The delivery of the food in accordance with the execution of a bond while the food is held is not authorized.


(5) PROHIBITION ON REEXPORT- A food found unfit for human or animal consumption shall be prohibited from reexport without further processing to remove the contamination and reinspection by the Administration.

Quote: Originally Posted by Avro

Sorry petros, I can't find any info about your claim of 95%.

Could you help me out?

Thanks.

Number of Chinese Farmers Dropping China's labor force is undergoing a historic shift from farms to factories and service trades with the number of farmers dropping 20 percent from 1979 to 2001.

Figures released by the National Bureau of Statistics (NBS) Monday show that those working in primary industries accounted for50.1 percent of total labor force at the end of 2001, in comparison with 70.5 percent in 1978.

Quote: Originally Posted by petros

That is why we have greenie weenies who want to reduce the population before the crisis really hits.



Kiss your backyard garden good bye in the USA...Does this law sound like something a govt that wants to green up the planet?

Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny

Okay, so the number of Canadians involved in farming has dropped. I get it, that's a no brainer.

Still don't see any information to suggest that 95% of the world's population is engaged in subsistence farming.

In fact, the following

If the population of the world is approx 6.7 billion, you're saying that 6.4 billion are subsistence farmers.

With the population of China at 1.3 billion or so, if the number of farmers has dropped by 20 percent, it's highly unlikely that 95% of the world's population are subsistence farmers.

Quote: Originally Posted by petros

I already gave it to you. It has ag stats for the entire globe. You'll find what you need in there.

Post #19 first line.

Quote: Originally Posted by petros

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Number of Chinese Farmers Dropping China's labor force is undergoing a historic shift from farms to factories and service trades with the number of farmers dropping 20 percent from 1979 to 2001.

Figures released by the National Bureau of Statistics (NBS) Monday show that those working in primary industries accounted for50.1 percent of total labor force at the end of 2001, in comparison with 70.5 percent in 1978.

In the meantime, the number of people working in tertiary trades increased by 140 million, with the proportion growing from 12.2 percent in 1978 to 27.7 percent in 2001.

As the economy expanded rapidly over the past two decades, primary industries accounted for increasingly smaller shares of the gross domestic product (GDP). However, the economic efficiency of the primary industries surged 11 percent over the period.

According to the NBS, China has completed the rationalization of its industrial structure by overcoming such problems as weak agricultural infrastructure, crippled industrial layout and underdeveloped services. China has entered a new stage of upgrading and advancing its industrial structure.

The NBS predicts that private industries will boom in coming years as the government allows wider market access and better financial services. Private capital generates a quarter of the country's GDP and has entered sectors which were previously government monopolies, including transport and telecommunications.

The expansion of private ownership will help China develop new growth areas in its service industries, which, according to NBS figures, is lagging behind developed countries and most developing countries in terms of infrastructure, new businesses and share in GDP.

The NBS predicts that consumption will make up a greater part of China's GDP in coming years. Expenditure on consumption accounted for 60.6 percent of GDP in 2001, around 19 percentage points lower than international average. On the other hand, investment accounted for 37.3 percent of GDP, far greater than the ratio in other countries.

A higher ratio of investment in GDP is natural for a developing economy like China's. However, it will be a long-term trend that the GDP proportion of investment will drop and that of consumption will rise, according to the NBS.

Over 93.5 percent of the industrial structure in eastern, central and western parts of China are identical. The problem of repetition is even more serious within different specific provinces in these areas. The NBS says China should focus on solving this problem through further economic restructuring.

It also points out that the gap in economic development among different areas of China has been widening over the past 23 years. The Chinese government has launched a strategic campaign to develop western areas so as to reverse the trend. (-- October 8, 2002)

Quote: Originally Posted by Avro

Dosen't China have a population control policy?

Can you give me a direct link to what I'm suppose to be reading.

Sorry to be a pain.

Quote: Originally Posted by petros

It's all there. If you look you'll find it.