A warning for the people of Earth

A warning for the people of Earth

petros

#91

Re: A warning for the people of Earth

Nov 6th, 2010

Well Comrades, you can look around the globe and you'll find hundreds of fights going for the right to use your own seed which is crucial to the biodiversity of the planet and our own species.

If I'm off ****ing track just say so.

Where were you geniuses 3 weeks ago when I was deciding which winter wheat "brand" to buy and then pay a licensing fee and sworn promise I won't reuse the genes because keeping my own seed is risking the entire farm due to cross contamination.

The last bastion of garden vegetable diversity is the home grower. Packged seeds are hybrids that won't reproduce. But that's okay it's just a conspiracy that food is being taken control of.

And keep in mind you are heavily subsidizing all this...COMRADES

Cannuck

#92

Re: A warning for the people of Earth

Nov 6th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by petros

Well Comrades, you can look around the globe and you'll find hundreds of fights going for the right to use your own seed which is crucial to the biodiversity of the planet and our own species.

If I'm off ****ing track just say so.

You're off ****ing track

The biggest problem you have is that you keep citing a bill that pertains to the commercial production and export of food and claiming it relates to the back yard gardens. You are completely...utterly and hopelessly wrong.

petros

#93

Re: A warning for the people of Earth

Nov 6th, 2010

Quote:

You're off ****ing track

The biggest problem you have is that you keep citing a bill that pertains to the commercial production and export of food and claiming it relates to the back yard gardens. You are completely...utterly and hopelessly wrong.

Prove me wrong then. Have you? Can you?

Tonington

#94

Re: A warning for the people of Earth

Nov 6th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by petros

I'll say it again....95% of the global population are subsistence farmers. That means it's from field to mouth and nothing goes to market.

Saying it again won't make it true...do the math. You think there's only 300 million people on earth who aren't farming the food they eat? That's laughably insane to even suggest. Europe and North America alone demolish this figure. Japan, China, India, lots of middle class folks there as well who buy their food from grocers.

That's the biggest whopper yet. We'll have to call you Burger King.

petros

#95

Re: A warning for the people of Earth

Nov 6th, 2010

Landrace:

Several definitions of the term landrace have been used in botanical application.

"Landrace populations are often highly variable in appearance, but they are each identifiable -- and have a certain genetic integrity. Farmers usually give them local names. A landrace has particular properties or characteristics. Some are considered early maturing and some late. Each has a reputation for adaptation to particular -- according to the traditional peasant soil classifications, e.g. heavy or light, warm or cold, dry or wet, strong or weak. They also may be classified according to expected usage; among cereals, different landraces are used for flour, for porridge, for '--', and for malt to make beer, etc. All components of the population are adapted to local climatic conditions, cultural practices, and disease and pests."-- But most important, they are genetically diverse. They are balanced -- – variable, in equilibrium with both environment and -- and genetically dynamic’.--

The term "landrace" has additionally been defined as

"An -- landrace is a variety with a high capacity to tolerate biotic and abiotic stress, resulting in a high yield stability and an intermediate yield level under a low input agricultural system."--

Quote: Originally Posted by Tonington

Saying it again won't make it true...do the math. You think there's only 300 million people on earth who aren't farming the food they eat? That's laughably insane to even suggest. Europe and North America alone demolish this figure. Japan, China, India, lots of middle class folks there as well who buy their food from grocers.

That's the biggest whopper yet. We'll have to call you Burger King.

You missed the correction. It's 95% of farmers are subsistence farmers but now thanks to world wide subsidies they are all state farms Comrade.

And I'll call you "Whistle Dog". or Dairy Queen.

TenPenny

#96

Re: A warning for the people of Earth

Nov 6th, 2010

Yes, that's a minor correction.

At least it makes sense now.

petros

#97

Re: A warning for the people of Earth

Nov 6th, 2010

So how do you save the planet using mono-culture?

Where does the chain of liable of a disease or blight outbreak begin and where does it end?

Food isn't all that stable.

Without bio-diversity will we be able to stop out breaks this using mono-cultures? --

Cannuck

#98

Re: A warning for the people of Earth

Nov 6th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by petros

Prove me wrong then. Have you? Can you?

You have proven yourself wrong by posting the bill.

petros

#99

Re: A warning for the people of Earth

Nov 6th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by Cannuck

You have proven yourself wrong by posting the bill.

Where does the chain of liable of a disease or blight outbreak begin and where does it end?

Cannuck

#100

Re: A warning for the people of Earth

Nov 6th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by petros

Where does the chain of liable of a disease or blight outbreak begin and where does it end?

I'm not sure. Since I'm not fluent in "Petros", I'm not completely sure what "chain of liable" is. If you are suggesting that I could be liable if a disease from my garden attacks somebody else garden you are, yet again, wrong.

petros

#101

Re: A warning for the people of Earth

Nov 6th, 2010

There are nice big, pretty, juicy, big, tasty and early finishing commercial varrietys which is everything a commercial gardener wants but they have the nuritional value of a 2X4.

Quote: Originally Posted by Cannuck

I'm not sure. Since I'm not fluent in "Petros", I'm not completely sure what "chain of liable" is. If you are suggesting that I could be liable if a disease from my garden attacks somebody else garden you are, yet again, wrong.

Chain of liability. I'm sorry for the typo and even more sorry you brain didn't grasp that. Am I wrong? I asked you prove me wrong.

Cannuck

#102

Re: A warning for the people of Earth

Nov 6th, 2010

Can't prove a negative.

It shouldn't be difficult for you to cite a case where somebody has won a judgment against a gardener.

petros

#103

Re: A warning for the people of Earth

Nov 6th, 2010

Point out where it says it doesn't cover non-commercial. It just says non branded. Where do you get self replicating tomatos that don't come from seed and some line of breeding?

Somebody somewhere has to manufacture tomatos.

Tonington

#104

Re: A warning for the people of Earth

Nov 6th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by petros

You missed the correction. It's 95% of farmers are subsistence farmers but now thanks to world wide subsidies they are all state farms Comrade.

So, is this figure similarly dubious in support? Going to the FAO, this publication gives a figure of 40% of global workers in agriculture are waged workers. How can 95% of farmers be subsistence farmers, if 450 million of the 1.3 Billion agricultural workers get paid a wage?

ftp://ftp.fao.org/docrep/fao/008/af164e/af164e00.pdf

It's still a nonsense claim, despite your correction.

petros

#105

Re: A warning for the people of Earth

Nov 6th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by Cannuck

I'm not sure. Since I'm not fluent in "Petros", I'm not completely sure what "chain of liable" is. If you are suggesting that I could be liable if a disease from my garden attacks somebody else garden you are, yet again, wrong.

Quote: Originally Posted by Tonington

So, is this figure similarly dubious in support? Going to the FAO, this publication gives a figure of 40% of global workers in agriculture are waged workers. How can 95% of farmers be subsistence farmers, if 450 million of the 1.3 Billion agricultural workers get paid a wage?

ftp://ftp.fao.org/docrep/fao/008/af164e/af164e00.pdf

It's still a nonsense claim, despite your correction.

Isn't Socialist funding great Comrade? They are being punted off their land to work someone eles's? And yes lots of people do have support jobs in ag. Flat tires don't fix themselves.

TenPenny

#106

Re: A warning for the people of Earth

Nov 6th, 2010

So, 95% of farmers are subsistence farmers, but 450 million of the 1.3 Billion agricultural workers get paid a wage.

I wonder what the definition of 'farmer' and 'subsistence farmer' will turn out to be?

petros

#107

Re: A warning for the people of Earth

Nov 6th, 2010

Which "brand" should we buy them Comrades? Hopefully it's UG99 resistant.
--

Tonington

#108

Re: A warning for the people of Earth

Nov 6th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by petros

Point out where it says it doesn't cover non-commercial.

It doesn't have to. If you're not selling food products through interstate commerce then you're not covered by the text of the bill.

Cannuck

#109

Re: A warning for the people of Earth

Nov 6th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by petros

Point out where it says it doesn't cover non-commercial..

The bill doesn't have to say it doesn't cover non-commercial. By using the term "trade" it eliminates all other operations that don't engage in trade.

It would be like passing a bill that says "all NHL players will pay a $500 fee for extra insurance". By inserting the term "NHL" the bill specifically does not include players from the AHL, WHL, OHL, QMJHL and every other league. That's the way law works.

Now please cite one case where a gardener has been found responsible for the spread of disease from their garden.

petros

#110

Re: A warning for the people of Earth

Nov 6th, 2010

Quote:

The bill doesn't have to say it doesn't cover non-commercial. By using the term "trade" it eliminates all other operations that don't engage in trade.

How do you trade without manufacturing. Where does it specify commercial manufacturing only? Rough hangover or what?

How well do one of these work if dropped into landrace crops Vs. "branded" crops? --

Cannuck

#111

Re: A warning for the people of Earth

Nov 6th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by petros

How do you trade without manufacturing.

Irrelevant. The question is can you manufacture without trade....and the answer is yes. Backyard gardeners do it all the time.

Quote: Originally Posted by petros

Where does it specify commercial manufacturing only? Rough hangover or what?

We've already been over this. Read the thread.

petros

#112

Re: A warning for the people of Earth

Nov 6th, 2010

Irrelevant? Do you think an "Ooopsies, I ****ed up the entire state's economy and I won't be liable. Silly me." will cut it?

Cannuck

#113

Re: A warning for the people of Earth

Nov 6th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by petros

Irrelevant? Do you think an "Ooopsies, I ****ed up the entire state's economy and I won't be liable. Silly me." will cut it?

Please cite one case where a gardener has been found responsible for the spread of disease from their garden.

petros

#114

Re: A warning for the people of Earth

Nov 6th, 2010

You still have to prove me wrong.

TenPenny

#115

Re: A warning for the people of Earth

Nov 6th, 2010

I'm still wating for you to explain how that bill applies to people growing vegetables.

Cannuck

#116

Re: A warning for the people of Earth

Nov 6th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by petros

You still have to prove me wrong.

There is a race of humans living inside the moon...prove me wrong

petros

#117

Re: A warning for the people of Earth

Nov 6th, 2010

--=

Cannuck

#118

Re: A warning for the people of Earth

Nov 7th, 2010

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