NEXT Big Lie—biodiversity

NEXT Big Lie—biodiversity

Sparrow

#1Nov 3rd, 2010

Goodbye Global Warming, Hello Biodiversity

After three decades of trying to push the global warming scam to a point where billions could be made selling and trading bogus “carbon credits”, the global schemers have abandoned it in the wake of 2009 revelations that a handful of rogue climate scientists were literally inventing the data to support it.
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Here we go again! Imagine it is already in our mouths with bio-film. Will our government be duped again into spending millions of dollars? Probably since the allow themselves to be influenced by lobbying and the UN.

DaSleeper

Re: NEXT Big Lie—biodiversity

Nov 3rd, 2010

The new --

captain morgan

Re: NEXT Big Lie—biodiversity

Nov 3rd, 2010

This shouldn't come as any big surprise.

Johnnny

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Nov 3rd, 2010

I believe in Biodiversity. I believe the great lakes should be home to the original fish species, like trout, whitefish and walleye. All these other species like lampreys, zebra and quagga mussels, human introduced pacific salmon species although expanding the local diversity are ruining it at a global scale.

Cliffy

Re: NEXT Big Lie—biodiversity

Nov 3rd, 2010

Hmmm! Who is perpetrating scare tactics? This article is just another conspiracy theory. A badly written one at that.

TenPenny

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Nov 3rd, 2010

It's part of the conspiracy to make you think there are conspiracy theories.

Cliffy

Re: NEXT Big Lie—biodiversity

Nov 3rd, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny

It's part of the conspiracy to make you think there are conspiracy theories.

Well, nothing would ever get done without conspiracies.

conspiracy: an association between religious, political, or tribal officials to further their own ends

Although the modern version usually refers to illegal activity, it seems to me that, anybody who consults with another to get something done is conspiring to accomplish a goal, legal or illegal.

petros

Re: NEXT Big Lie—biodiversity

Nov 3rd, 2010

Who will save the slug?

mentalfloss

Re: NEXT Big Lie—biodiversity

Nov 3rd, 2010

You f with the circle of life and you're f'ing yourself.

Cliffy

#10

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Nov 3rd, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss

You f with the circle of life and you're f'ing yourself.

That is one way of putting it. But in order to phuk oneself one would have to be hermaphrodite.

petros

#11

Re: NEXT Big Lie—biodiversity

Nov 3rd, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy

That is one way of putting it. But in order to phuk oneself one would have to be hermaphrodite.

I once saw this guy who was featured with the "Jim Rose Circus Sideshow" he could lift a suitcase and two cinder blocks with his strecthed out wang. I bet he could screw himself and give change.

Mr Lifto he called himself. More here: --

DaSleeper

#12

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Nov 3rd, 2010

We Need more..... --

mentalfloss

#13

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Nov 3rd, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeper

We Need more..... --

Yikes. Maybe they should weigh out the cost-benefit ratio before spending $3.4M

Tonington

#14

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Nov 3rd, 2010

The only big lie to do with biodiversity is that there isn't a problem.

Agricultural expansion, over-exploiting resources, converting forest to plantations, invasive alien species...only a fool would conclude that there is no problem.

Cliffy

#15

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Nov 3rd, 2010

Avro

#16

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Nov 3rd, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by Sparrow

Goodbye Global Warming, Hello Biodiversity

After three decades of trying to push the global warming scam to a point where billions could be made selling and trading bogus “carbon credits”, the global schemers have abandoned it in the wake of 2009 revelations that a handful of rogue climate scientists were literally inventing the data to support it.
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That is a wonderful pile of smelly BS you just plopped on us there.

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taxslave

#17

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Nov 3rd, 2010

The greenies have been crying about biodiversity for ages, as long as it is their chosen plants. Here the want to kill scotch broom and a number of other species including my favorite blackberries but not roses, tulips and the gmo golf course grass. The ones that never get off the couch in the cities also complain that when we replant a cut block it is a mono forest. I work out there every day and have never seen a mono culture in the woods. Even when a block is planted with one species of tree there will be others grow up there as well as a few hundred types of plants and I don't know how many species of animals and bugs.

damngrumpy

#18

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Nov 3rd, 2010

The environment is one hell of a mess even if some of it is a sham. There are
parts of the story that does not add up and there is an obvious set of problems
confronting us that no matter how far we drive our heads into the sand, the
problems, are still there. yes fish species in the Great Lakes System were in
fact caused by the seaway. There are all kinds of problems on the West and
east coast not to mention the tar sands. We have to clean up, and we have to
educate ourselves as to things we can do to reduce the amount of damage we
personally do. The biggest problem with the environmental movement. is that
the business world has taken control of the agenda and the environment is now
second fiddle to profit, and distortions not so much for fear but for pure profit
margins.

Bar Sinister

#19

Re: NEXT Big Lie—biodiversity

Nov 4th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by Sparrow

Goodbye Global Warming, Hello Biodiversity

After three decades of trying to push the global warming scam to a point where billions could be made selling and trading bogus “carbon credits”, the global schemers have abandoned it in the wake of 2009 revelations that a handful of rogue climate scientists were literally inventing the data to support it.
--

Here we go again! Imagine it is already in our mouths with bio-film. Will our government be duped again into spending millions of dollars? Probably since the allow themselves to be influenced by lobbying and the UN.

Sorry, Sparrow. Your link doesn't go anywhere. Do you have another?

As for biodiversity it is not a new issue. Those who have been paying attention know that the loss of various species is of major concern worldwide. As a single example take a look at crop diversity worldwide. Two hundred years ago humans got their food from hundreds of different food crops. That was greatly reduced by the 20th century. There are now only about two dozen major crops worldwide. Dependence on such a small food base could be a real danger if any of the major crops are threatened by disease. One only has to look at the Irish Potato Famine to show the consequences of putting most of your eggs in one agricultural basket.

damngrumpy

#20 Top Rated Post

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Nov 4th, 2010

There are other dangers out there two, other natural peril like earthquakes etc that
threaten food distribution. Economic meltdown, and the threat of war is a great
concern, that people don't even think about. Some countries like China and India
have prepared. They are buying, large tracts of land and growing for their own
home populations. Should we end up with severe difficulties, these foreign states
could grow food crops here and ship the foot to their homeland leaving our population
out in the cold, with the threat of a famine in a land of plenty. We are facing huge and
serious threats to the future of our country if we allow this to go on unchecked and
unchallenged. Climate, and politics are the two greatest threats to mankind in the 21st
century.

Tonington

#21

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Nov 4th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave

Even when a block is planted with one species of tree there will be others grow up there as well as a few hundred types of plants and I don't know how many species of animals and bugs.

Fewer species of animals and bugs. The current rate sees 50 species of just mammals and amphibians being added to the -- red list every year.

But as an example, even if the same number of species were in your mono-species planted block as there were when it was virgin forest, biodiversity would still be lower.

mentalfloss

#22

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Nov 4th, 2010

I'm voting damngrumpy in 2012.

Cliffy

#23

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Nov 4th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by Tonington

Fewer species of animals and bugs. The current rate sees 50 species of just mammals and amphibians being added to the -- red list every year.

But as an example, even if the same number of species were in your mono-species planted block as there were when it was virgin forest, biodiversity would still be lower.

Oh, Oh! I'm surprised there hasn't been a rash of the usual suspects screaming "ECO FASCISTS!" about the IUCN. After all, humans are the only species that matters and all other life forms be phuked. The concept that life is an interconnected and interdependent continuum seems to escape the ego-centric, mindless consumer crowd.

Last edited by Cliffy; Nov 4th, 2010 at 04:08 PM..

petros

#24

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Nov 4th, 2010

Quote:

Agricultural expansion, over-exploiting resources, converting forest to plantations, invasive alien species...only a fool would conclude that there is no problem.

Food is bad!

Cliffy

#25

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Nov 4th, 2010

Actually, I think it is the spread of corporate Agribusiness that is the problem. It has taken away much of the diversity of foods grown in favour of high yield, low cost varieties that are not necessarily nutritious, just convenient. The use of chemical fertilizers and pesticides has degraded our soil to the point that very little can grow without them. GM crops are dangerous because they make the world dependent on GM seeds and chemical additives destroying independent farmers world wide, making room for corporate take overs.

Tonington

#26

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Nov 4th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by petros

Food is bad!

This, also, is a foolish conclusion...

Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy

The use of chemical fertilizers and pesticides has degraded our soil to the point that very little can grow without them.

No...don't confuse a solution with the problem. The problem is nutrient flux is by a long shot in the direction away from the soil...Inputs are dwarfed by the farm output. The solution favoured by Agri-business is to use soil amendments like fertilizer to make soil conditions favourable to growth. Some farmers can use manures, but not all or even most of our farmland. It's not a very healthy ecosystem if you consider Canadian or even North American farms as interconnected.

Think of it this way. Grain is grown in Saskatchewan, shipped to Quebec hog farms, and the hogs go out around the country after slaughter. How do you get the organic matter from human feces and pig feces back to the soil where the primary producer took it from? You can't, and you actually end up with a nutrient surplus on the hog farm. Which can lead to pollution of local water sources. Meanwhile the farmer in Saskatchewan has to add fertilizers to keep yields up, so that his family can survive.

petros

#27

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Nov 4th, 2010

You don't fertilize with pig ****! Are you nuts?

You really really really have a lot to learn about agriculture.

Bar Sinister

#28

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Nov 4th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by petros

You don't fertilize with pig ****! Are you nuts?

You really really really have a lot to learn about agriculture.

He didn't say you can't fertilize with hog manure. He implied that it would be too expensive to ship pig manure from Quebec to Saskatchewan. It would be in its raw form.

There is, of course, a way around that problem and that is to use digesters to process the manure using the methane that is given off as fuel and then taking the dried residue that it used behind and packaging it as fertilizer. With the gas and the moisture gone the pig manure, or whatever else is used as the raw material, is greatly reduced in weight and volume and can be easily shipped.

There are, of course, some problems with large scale conversion of organic waste to biogas, but it works quite well on a small scale and can easily be used on individual farms. The technology can be quite simple on a small scale, so much so that it has even been used in villages in India.

Cliffy

#29

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Nov 5th, 2010

Besides digesting the manure, the simple answer would be to raise the pigs and cows where the feed is grown instead of shipping all over the place. That is very inefficient. If Quebec want s to raise pigs, they should also grow grains to feed them. I farmed in Quebec and we did just that. We arise pigs, dairy cows, fowl, grains and hay. All we have was about 250 acres of arable land.

Tonington

#30

Re: NEXT Big Lie—biodiversity

Nov 5th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by petros

You don't fertilize with pig ****! Are you nuts?

Not without treatment first...what makes you think that I was suggesting shipping raw pig manure? It's a simple example of nutrient flows within the agricultural system.

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