NEXT Big Lie—biodiversity

NEXT Big Lie—biodiversity

YukonJack

#31

Re: NEXT Big Lie—biodiversity

Nov 5th, 2010

Does bear crap get treated when bears s*it in the woods? Does hippo crap get treated when hippos crap in the River Nile? Did any crap in nature ever get treated in human history before some government decreed that it should be treated? Is crap not the ultimate biodegradable product of life?

Tonington

#32

Re: NEXT Big Lie—biodiversity

Nov 5th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by YukonJack

Does bear crap get treated when bears s*it in the woods?

Yes, that's what a functioning ecosystem does...

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Does hippo crap get treated when hippos crap in the River Nile?

Yes, that's what a functioning ecosystem does...

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Did any crap in nature ever get treated in human history before some government decreed that it should be treated?

Yes, only when nature does it it's not called treatment.

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Is crap not the ultimate biodegradable product of life?

No...the overwhelming majority of biomass on this planet doesn't have a digestive tract.

So, back on topic, when biodiversity is high, ecosystem stability is high, and nutrient cycling is tight. Farms are not bio-diverse by design.

mentalfloss

#33

Re: NEXT Big Lie—biodiversity

Nov 5th, 2010

Sounds like global domination to me.

YukonJack

#34

Re: NEXT Big Lie—biodiversity

Nov 5th, 2010

Well, Tonnington, according to folks of your mindset, humans are nothing more than an insignificant version of animal diversity.

How come then that human activity is decried in your world as something that destroys any possible future of any living creature in the world?

If nature, by it self cleans treats bear crap, hippo crap and probably (but hopelessly liberal crap) how come you object to human help of nature cleaning up and treating crap, thereby making the cleaning and treating more efficient?

BTW, its all a matter of conditioning. A few years ago I lived one little house, next to a dairy farm; I was on my own well and for disposal I had a septic tank. One day, just for curiousity, I took a sample of my well water to the municipal testing lab. The results indicated that both my wife and I should have been dead due to the abundance of E coli bacteria in my well water. A few months later just to be safe, we installed ultra-violet light on our water line, but even in the lack of it, we survived unscathed. I know, you will declare that it effected my brain, but I would expect no less fro someone like you.

Also, in Europe, manure from any farmer's backyard is spread over the land, plowed under, untreated in the farmer's land. Without it the yield would be significantly less.

Also, thanks for the "BAD" rating you so graciously provided on my post to somebody not you. Have you ever or will you ever be smart enough to mind your own business?

Tonington

#35

Re: NEXT Big Lie—biodiversity

Nov 5th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by YukonJack

Well, Tonnington, according to folks of your mindset, humans are nothing more than an insignificant version of animal diversity.

Not according to me. So maybe you should bring this argument to folks who clearly articulate such things.

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How come then that human activity is decried in your world as something that destroys any possible future of any living creature in the world?

Human activity is not decried in my world...harmful activity when it can be shown so is decried. Big difference.

Understand? You could just ask me instead of guessing at what I think or say. You won't look as foolish for a start, and we could perhaps even discuss something rationally if you tried.

And by the way, E. coli is an indicator organism. Most strains aren't even pathogenic under normal conditions. So unless you are already compromised, the majority of those strains will not harm you. That's not conditioning...

petros

#36

Re: NEXT Big Lie—biodiversity

Nov 5th, 2010

We aleady get enough **** from PQ in return and have to fund their sorry asses. How do you process hog waste into a fertilizer that is properly formulated for today's bio enginered crops cheaper and with less energy than mined salts? What makes pigs salts better than mined salts when it comes to down stream environments? How do you remove the vet drugs and steroids?

Which is easier on the soil rhizos,mychos and amnino acid producing enzymes?

Which fertilizers help the seed to resist rot during and post germination?

Which leave the least sodium behind?

Tonington

#37

Re: NEXT Big Lie—biodiversity

Nov 5th, 2010

So, the question you're really asking is how can someone return to integrated farming, but still meet the needs of a modern chemical feedstock dominated agri-business.

The answer is the system needs to change.

YukonJack

#38

Re: NEXT Big Lie—biodiversity

Nov 5th, 2010

petros, sh1t, crap or any other form of waste also known as manure, is already properly formulated. It has been so for thousands, if not millions of years. It is BIODEGRADABLE. It is sustenance and food for the soil as it has been for the last few thousands of years.

Only since government regulators dabbled into something they knew nothing about it changed in order to placate politically correct softies.

Tonington

#39

Re: NEXT Big Lie—biodiversity

Nov 5th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by YukonJack

petros, sh1t, crap or any other form of waste also known as manure, is already properly formulated. It has been so for thousands, if not millions of years. It is BIODEGRADABLE. It is sustenance and food for the soil as it has been for the last few thousands of years.

Food for the soil doesn't necessarily mean it's safe to eat the crops that grow in the soil...

YukonJack

#40

Re: NEXT Big Lie—biodiversity

Nov 5th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by Tonington

Food for the soil doesn't necessarily mean it's safe to eat the crops that grow in the soil...

For hundreds of years it meant exactly that in Europe.

If you were astute enough you would realize that the manure is spread in the fall and the crop that grows on it is harvested in the following summer, almost a year later.

Biodiversity, biodegradability, anyone??

petros

#41

Re: NEXT Big Lie—biodiversity

Nov 5th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by YukonJack

petros, sh1t, crap or any other form of waste also known as manure, is already properly formulated. It has been so for thousands, if not millions of years. It is BIODEGRADABLE. It is sustenance and food for the soil as it has been for the last few thousands of years.

Only since government regulators dabbled into something they knew nothing about it changed in order to placate politically correct softies.

Sorry but it doesn't work that way anymore. If you don't have the exact formulation you'll either burn or you won't produce. It's very very exact.

Quote: Originally Posted by Tonington

So, the question you're really asking is how can someone return to integrated farming, but still meet the needs of a modern chemical feedstock dominated agri-business.

The answer is the system needs to change.

You can't. Not without ditching todays' bio engineered crops. That means an instant 50% in yields gone and another 50% of land taken out of production to do rotations and even far more State funding Comrade Tonnington.

Those days died 25 years ago.

ironsides

#42

Re: NEXT Big Lie—biodiversity

Dec 10th, 2010

"The Neanderthals are not totally extinct," said study leader Svante Pääbo of the Max-Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Leipzig, Germany. "In some of us they live on a little bit."
In fact, between 1 percent and 4 percent of some modern humans' DNA came from Neanderthals, who lived between about 130,000 and 30,000 years ago, the researchers -- today. Those who tend to live in the northern climates may be closer to Neanderthals than we previously thought.

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or is all the above true with the exception that we were bio engineered by a higher species?

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