2010, another year of extreme coral bleaching


Tonington
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Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

5 major mass extinctions, all with wild swings in both ocean and atmospheric chemistry and all were catastrophic with huge changes in just a matter of a few hours.

Yes, that's exactly what I said:
"The rate of change right now exceeds the majority of natural ocean chemistry and temperature changes in the past, with few exceptions.
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Trilobites didn't survive the Ordo-Sil event although all previous catastrophes created more and more diversification for the trilobite, yet corals which have had very little change right from day one have cruised right on through?

Little change for corals? Cruised right on through? What is your basis for those statements?
 
petros
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No...sponge bob is a sponge. The corals don't die because of the heat, they die of starvation because there are no photosynthesizing zooxanthellae to sustain them.

Of course not.

The rate of change right now exceeds the majority of natural ocean chemistry and temperature changes in the past, with few exceptions. Corals will migrate, and they can adapt. But they can adapt over long periods of time, not on decadal time scales. It took 30 million years for atmospheric CO2 to drop from 900 ppmv to present levels, and we will push it back to that level on our present trajectory in just 90 years. These kinds of changes we're imposing will appear in the geologic record as those few exceptions that nature provided, and just as when nature provided the change, there will be massive loss of biodiversity.

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Yes, that's exactly what I said:
"The rate of change right now exceeds the majority of natural ocean chemistry and temperature changes in the past, with few exceptions."



Little change for corals? Cruised right on through? What is your basis for those statements?

Are there many other families that go back right from the Cambrian until today? Sponges, crinoids, starfish, corals are all originals which proves without doubt.they've have survived everything the universe has thrown at them. Hardly a canary in a coal mine.
 
Johnnny
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rugose and tabulate corals didnt make it , the tabulate coral didnt survive the permian mass extinction... And there is a subtle difference tabulate corals and modern day corals are made of different calcium carbonates... Tabulates were made of calcite and Modern day corals are made of aragonite..

In my opinion if the coral of today dies off, it will be replaced slowly of course and life will go on. Unless of coarse everything in our oceans remain dead and theres nothing alive in it but algae .. In that case stromatolites will take over , there rightful place as rulers of the sea
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Cliffy
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And we'll be eating Soylent Blue and Red just before we are fed Soylent green.
 
Tonington
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In my opinion if the coral of today dies off, it will be replaced slowly of course and life will go on.

In a few millenia...in the meantime the oceans lose massive amounts of biomass.
 
petros
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In a few millenia...in the meantime the oceans lose massive amounts of biomass.

So in the mean time we kill the last of the Peruvian sardines to feed caged up salmon? Good idea.
 
Tonington
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So in the mean time we kill the last of the Peruvian sardines to feed caged up salmon? Good idea.

Stay on topic. The bad idea we're talking about is killing corals. Start another thread if you want to talk aquaculture.
 

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