Bad places to dump your oil...in days gone by...

Bad places to dump your oil...in days gone by...

Kakato

#1Dec 13th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolf

100 years ago, the thought of humankind polluting the oceans seemed ridiculous alright simply because nobody gave pollution a second thought.....

30 years ago lots of us drove out to the bush to change our oil.
Find a nice depression to park over and let it rip.

Things have changed,our perceptions have changed.

Last edited by Ron in Regina; Dec 13th, 2009 at 06:50 PM..

lone wolf

Re: Bad places to dump your oil...in days gone by...

Dec 13th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by Kakato

30 years ago lots of us drove out to the bush to change our oil.
Find a nice depression to park over and let it rip.

Things have changed,our perceptions have changed.

Roadside ditches used to be great places for that....

Y'know, I can remember being one of those "crazy stoned-up hippies" that folks used to laugh at for thinking of the ecology....

Man, have perceptions changed now that the meter's running closer to zip.

SirJosephPorter

Re: Bad places to dump your oil...in days gone by...

Dec 13th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by JLM

YOu are starting to make a little bit of sense. Mother Nature will prevail in the long run. Without getting into the "hows" and "whys" and "whethers", man should just try to concenttate on cleaning up the mess he has made one Kw. or gallon at a time. It's up to the individuals to clean up the mess not gov't.'s job, besides if they do it we'll be really in debt.

If I am beginning to make a little bit of sense according to you, I am not sure that a compliment, JLM.

Anyway, I disagree with you, it is the job of individuals and of the government. Governments must crack down on the miscreants, those who would dump effluents etc, into pristine pure water, those who would go on an indiscriminate killing of endangered species and so on.

Governments must also do something proactively to try to improve the environment. Left to individuals, the lowest common denominator will prevail and there will be pollution, wholesale and unchecked.

SirJosephPorter

Re: Bad places to dump your oil...in days gone by...

Dec 13th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by Kakato

I spent a little over 3 years in the arctic and havent seen even the slightest bit of mayhem that all the peeps posting fearmongering about climate change have claimed.

But then again I didnt see any researchers either except maybe 2.

Then you obviously didn't talk to Inuits.

Kakato

Re: Bad places to dump your oil...in days gone by...

Dec 13th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolf

Roadside ditches used to be great places for that....

Y'know, I can remember being one of those "crazy stoned-up hippies" that folks used to laugh at for thinking of the ecology....

Man, have perceptions changed now that the meter's running closer to zip.

Come's from reading mother earth news magazines back then,and mad and the fabulous furry freak brothers.

Back when I was NDP.
I see what worked though and what was bull****,I've worked in the bush all my life,I can and do go back to places I disturbed 30 years ago nd see how they did.
See what worked and what didnt because mostly there was a lot of experimental projects going on back then.

Now,you take a piss on the fresh snow and someone think's it's hydraulic oil or fuel spill and the spill kits come out and reports have to be fillled out.

I usually wait untill they have all their samples before telling them I just urinated there,leave my pee alone.

JLM

Re: Bad places to dump your oil...in days gone by...

Dec 13th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorter

If I am beginning to make a little bit of sense according to you, I am not sure that a compliment, JLM.

Anyway, I disagree with you, it is the job of individuals and of the government. Governments must crack down on the miscreants, those who would dump effluents etc, into pristine pure water, those who would go on an indiscriminate killing of endangered species and so on.

Governments must also do something proactively to try to improve the environment. Left to individuals, the lowest common denominator will prevail and there will be pollution, wholesale and unchecked.

Gov't. does have a slight role to play. I think there are probably enough laws in place to deal with it and Gov't. should insist on enforcement. If not enact one or two more it that's what's really needed and enforce them. Punish the miscreants, otherswise Gov't. should leave it to others to fix.

Kakato

Re: Bad places to dump your oil...in days gone by...

Dec 13th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorter

Then you obviously didn't talk to Inuits.

I lived with them in uninsulated prospector tent's at -80 for over 3 years,learned some of their language and most of their customs and traditions.

I learned to respect them as some of the toughest peeps I have ever met,I also can fly into any airport in Nunavut and know someone there or in the town.

I've met and dined with all the Innuit big wigs in the kivallik,when the quebec mining companys want to start a mine they know how to shmooze the owners of the territory.
I've escorted every single one of them from the plane to the kitchen at camp in a gotrack and have many videos of my time up there(73).

The arctic is a huge place but the people are few,I still know someone in every community from whale cove to Baker lake and Yellowknife.

My Inuk name is Umilik,it means the bearded one as I grew a huge beard while living with the Innuit.
They cant grow more then a few whiskers.
If you have a big beard your treated with the utmost respect,the longer the better.

At minus 80 my shaver didnt work anyways. The batterys exploded.

SirJosephPorter

Re: Bad places to dump your oil...in days gone by...

Dec 13th, 2009

Well then, didn’t the Inuits tell you that Arctic is warming up? At least that is what one reads in papers many times. Apparently the Inuits have been warning for a long time now about the dangers of the arctic warming up.

lone wolf

Re: Bad places to dump your oil...in days gone by...

Dec 13th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorter

Well then, didn’t the Inuits tell you that Arctic is warming up? At least that is what one reads in papers many times. Apparently the Inuits have been warning for a long time now about the dangers of the arctic warming up.

Have you heard anyone deny that Arctic/global warming is harmful? Have you heard anyone say it isn't happening? Please get ALL the facts ... not just the bits and pieces that fit your propaganda and post count fodder. What IS up for grabs is man's contribution.

Kakato

#10

Re: Bad places to dump your oil...in days gone by...

Dec 13th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorter

Well then, didn’t the Inuits tell you that Arctic is warming up? At least that is what one reads in papers many times. Apparently the Inuits have been warning for a long time now about the dangers of the arctic warming up.

I hear them bitching because all the whining some folks have done has cut the quota down and now polars cruise through the towns and the only way they can kill them is a defense attack.

Which they do and they laugh at you kee kee kabluna's.

It's been in the papers up there for 2 years now,they call it civil disobediance.

It's widely encouraged now since they cut the quota but you would know that or should if you were actually up there.

Kakato

#11

Re: Bad places to dump your oil...in days gone by...

Dec 13th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorter

Well then, didn’t the Inuits tell you that Arctic is warming up? At least that is what one reads in papers many times. Apparently the Inuits have been warning for a long time now about the dangers of the arctic warming up.

Not once,living 60 kliks from the arctic circle I can tell you this though,the ice melts end of june and refreezes end of september,like clockwork give or take a few days.

I experienced -80 a few years ago there,a record in enviro canada's books which go back to the 40's

Mowich

#12

Re: Bad places to dump your oil...in days gone by...

Dec 13th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorter

If I am beginning to make a little bit of sense according to you, I am not sure that a compliment, JLM.

Anyway, I disagree with you, it is the job of individuals and of the government. Governments must crack down on the miscreants, those who would dump effluents etc, into pristine pure water, those who would go on an indiscriminate killing of endangered species and so on.

Governments must also do something proactively to try to improve the environment. Left to individuals, the lowest common denominator will prevail and there will be pollution, wholesale and unchecked.

Some of the biggest polluters on our planet are the big corporations who contribute to political parties and are thus often excluded from necessary clean-ups. Agri-business and food companies are among the very worst.

Governments don't move on anything unless there is political captial to be made. That capital comes from the will of the people. Without people giving a damn, governments wouldn't go anything. So it is people, the individual who starts to make a difference and is then joined by others who see the benefits of doing so.

Where I live we have many groups of individuals who will join together to clean up streams, creeks, old dumps, roadside ditches, etc. The government was not and is not involved - probably a good thing as they would need to hold an inquiry to see if it is necessary followed by a vote, followed by a commission, followed by creating a bureaucracy, etc, etc, etc.

Power to the people, SirJP. We can and do make a difference.

Last edited by Mowich; Dec 13th, 2009 at 07:43 PM..Reason: make changes

Ron in Regina

#13

Bad places to dump your oil...in days gone by...

Dec 13th, 2009

Years ago (two of them, so back in 2007) a neighbour of mine painted his
fence (that was built mostly out of old pallets) with his own secret recipe
that was mostly used motor oil, in order to seal and preserve that fence.

lone wolf

#14

Re: Bad places to dump your oil...in days gone by...

Dec 13th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in Regina

Years ago (two of them, so back in 2007) a neighbour of mine painted his
fence (that was built mostly out of old pallets) with his own secret recipe
that was mostly used motor oil, in order to seal and preserve that fence.

Don't tell anyone but I still do the tank 'n' spreader tube thing to oil the dust down. Is chloride good for the environment ... or CIL?

Mowich

#15

Re: Bad places to dump your oil...in days gone by...

Dec 13th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolf

Have you heard anyone deny that Arctic/global warming is harmful? Have you heard anyone say it isn't happening? Please get ALL the facts ... not just the bits and pieces that fit your propaganda and post count fodder. What IS up for grabs is man's contribution.

Snicker, snicker, snicker.. post count fodder! Hee Haw.. .good one lone wolf.

JLM

#16

Re: Bad places to dump your oil...in days gone by...

Dec 13th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by Kakato

I lived with them in uninsulated prospector tent's at -80 for over 3 years,learned some of their language and most of their customs and traditions.

I learned to respect them as some of the toughest peeps I have ever met,I also can fly into any airport in Nunavut and know someone there or in the town.

I've met and dined with all the Innuit big wigs in the kivallik,when the quebec mining companys want to start a mine they know how to shmooze the owners of the territory.
I've escorted every single one of them from the plane to the kitchen at camp in a gotrack and have many videos of my time up there(73).

The arctic is a huge place but the people are few,I still know someone in every community from whale cove to Baker lake and Yellowknife.

My Inuk name is Umilik,it means the bearded one as I grew a huge beard while living with the Innuit.
They cant grow more then a few whiskers.
If you have a big beard your treated with the utmost respect,the longer the better.

At minus 80 my shaver didnt work anyways. The batterys exploded.

So there is someone who knows more about Inuit than S.J.

Kakato

#17

Re: Bad places to dump your oil...in days gone by...

Dec 13th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by JLM

So there is someone who knows more about Inuit than S.J.

I didnt see him up there so I'm guessing your right.

SirJosephPorter

#18

Re: Bad places to dump your oil...in days gone by...

Dec 13th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by Kakato

Not once,living 60 kliks from the arctic circle I can tell you this though,the ice melts end of june and refreezes end of september,like clockwork give or take a few days.

I experienced -80 a few years ago there,a record in enviro canada's books which go back to the 40's

Well then, there are at least some Inuits who disagree with you on that.

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Indeed, it is easy enough to find numerous references where Inuits are concerned about the Arctic warming. This tells me that you haven't been talking to all of Inuits, only to some of them (and only to those who do not believe that the Arctic is warming), your extessive experience with Inuits notwithstanding.

Perhpas you have been selective in deciding which Inuits to talk to, talking to only those who agree with you that global warming is a hoax (is that what you believe?).

Kakato

#19

Re: Bad places to dump your oil...in days gone by...

Dec 13th, 2009

Sorry bud but I'll take the words of the elders over a media piece everytime.

Hope you understand why.

Kakato

#20

Re: Bad places to dump your oil...in days gone by...

Dec 13th, 2009

The arctic is huge but not many people,I know someone in every Arctic community except Labradour.

SirJosephPorter

#21

Re: Bad places to dump your oil...in days gone by...

Dec 13th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by Kakato

Sorry bud but I'll take the words of the elders over a media piece everytime.

Hope you understand why.

Well, let us agree to disagree on that. I say many Inuits think that Arctic is warming up (based upon the numerous articles in the literature); you say Arctic is either not warming or cooling (based upon your personal experience). Let us leave it at that.

Indeed, I haven't seen even one serious, scientific article which shows that Arctic is either not warming or is cooling.

JLM

#22

Re: Bad places to dump your oil...in days gone by...

Dec 13th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by Kakato

Sorry bud but I'll take the words of the elders over a media piece everytime.

Hope you understand why.

But those media people quote statistics.

SirJosephPorter

#23

Re: Bad places to dump your oil...in days gone by...

Dec 13th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by JLM

But those media people quote statistics.

Indeed they quote statistics, which are much more reliable than anecdotal experience. But in this case, there is plenty of anecdotal experience as well, from Inuits themselves as to the warming of the Arctic. The link I have given says the following:

“Hundreds of Inuit are meeting in Alaska this week to discuss global warming and other matters critical to their survival. Shiela Watt Cloutier, the chairwoman of the Inuit Circumpolar Conference, talks with Alex Chadwick about how global warming has impacted life in the north.”

lone wolf

#24

Re: Bad places to dump your oil...in days gone by...

Dec 13th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorter

Indeed they quote statistics, which are much more reliable than anecdotal experience. But in this case, there is plenty of anecdotal experience as well, from Inuits themselves as to the warming of the Arctic. The link I have given says the following:

“Hundreds of Inuit are meeting in Alaska this week to discuss global warming and other matters critical to their survival. Shiela Watt Cloutier, the chairwoman of the Inuit Circumpolar Conference, talks with Alex Chadwick about how global warming has impacted life in the north.”

...and what rewards does your friend hope to reap from the climatic gravy train? Playing systems and trends aren't new gimmicks. Investors have long played them.

Kakato

#25

Re: Bad places to dump your oil...in days gone by...

Dec 13th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by JLM

But those media people quote statistics.

Skewed stats,I will believe what I hear in the northen store or the restaraunt or the many I have lived with there,not some internet arctic armchair quarterback.

I have yet to meet any Inuk that would agree with you except for a small handfull but thats to be expected.
Check out my arctic pics if you want to see what life is really like up there.
I have been around,you obviously havent.

Kakato

#26

Re: Bad places to dump your oil...in days gone by...

Dec 13th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorter

Indeed they quote statistics, which are much more reliable than anecdotal experience. But in this case, there is plenty of anecdotal experience as well, from Inuits themselves as to the warming of the Arctic. The link I have given says the following:

“Hundreds of Inuit are meeting in Alaska this week to discuss global warming and other matters critical to their survival. Shiela Watt Cloutier, the chairwoman of the Inuit Circumpolar Conference, talks with Alex Chadwick about how global warming has impacted life in the north.”

Ha ha ha! agenda my friend,a true Inuk would never solve government matters in Alaska as they dont live there.

That's the USA for one and not the same tribe,try the Deni.

You should do some more research before commenting on our Arctic,your ignorance has been nothing but astounding so far.

SirJosephPorter

#27

Re: Bad places to dump your oil...in days gone by...

Dec 13th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by Kakato

Skewed stats,I will believe what I hear in the northen store or the restaraunt or the many I have lived with there,not some internet arctic armchair quarterback.

I have yet to meet any Inuk that would agree with you except for a small handfull but thats to be expected.
Check out my arctic pics if you want to see what life is really like up there.
I have been around,you obviously havent.

Again, let us agree to disagree. I prefer to believe the Inuits who are in the news, they think that their way of life is threatened due to global warming. You prefer to believe the Inuits you have talked to, and they don't think that their way of life is in any danger. Let us leave it at that.

lone wolf

#28

Re: Bad places to dump your oil...in days gone by...

Dec 13th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorter

Again, let us agree to disagree. I prefer to believe the Inutst who are in the news, they think that their way of life is threatened due to global warming. You prefer to believe the Inuits you have talked to, and they don't think that their way of life is in any danger. Let us leave ti at that.

*ahem*.... talked to ... and LIVED AMONG....

Last edited by Ron in Regina; Dec 13th, 2009 at 08:46 PM..Reason: Ughh...

Ron in Regina

#29

Bad places to dump your oil...in days gone by...

Dec 13th, 2009

Keep it Clean Guys...

Kakato

#30

Re: Bad places to dump your oil...in days gone by...

Dec 13th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorter

Again, let us agree to disagree. I prefer to believe the Inuits who are in the news, they think that their way of life is threatened due to global warming. You prefer to believe the Inuits you have talked to, and they don't think that their way of life is in any danger. Let us leave it at that.

No dude,i lived with them for over 3 years and have yet to hear one single one spout what you say they are so give it a break.
Thats peeps from over 5000 miles so I think I got a pretty good idea on what the population thinks,98% of inuk's would laugh at you for that comment.

Your Innuit's in the news are a handfull of activists and they are also tthe reason the innuit are so pissed at the government(Canadian and USA) for cutting their quota's on polar hunts.

Read up on CBC north,read the local papers from Nunavut to see how the peeps that live there feel about this,I can tell you right now the Nunavut government is going to tell the rest of the world to go fu*k themselves pretty soon and they can.They have the diamonds and gold and Uranium and really arent going to get pissed around anymore by stupid envirofreaks that cost them so many jobs 20 years ago when they turned down applications for a mine that would have made lots of community's rich with jobs it was because of a few loudmouth armchair activists that id didnt go through.

I'm confident though that they are starting to look at jobs where there was none before and stop listening to the chicken littles like you.

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