#1Nov 30th, 2009
Prison Planet.com
Monckton said that the agenda behind the global warming movement was to set up a communistic world government which will be run by people who “do not care ...
Lord Monckton: Shut Down The UN, Arrest The Warmist Criminals
Prison Planet.com
Monckton said that the agenda behind the global warming movement was to set up a communistic world government which will be run by people who “do not care ...
#2
Re: Lord Monckton: Shut Down The UN, Arrest The Warmist Criminals
Dec 1st, 2009
Prison Planet of course is a totally reliable source and Lord Monckton of course is a rational and trained scientific thinker with no agenda but the truth. 
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Re: Lord Monckton: Shut Down The UN, Arrest The Warmist Criminals
Dec 1st, 2009
Obviously you are describing yourself , Dexter Sinister.
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Re: Lord Monckton: Shut Down The UN, Arrest The Warmist Criminals
Dec 1st, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by china
Show me a government that cares about its people. Name one topic that everybody agrees on. And I will show you a frozen hell.--
Prison Planet.com
Monckton said that the agenda behind the global warming movement was to set up a communistic world government which will be run by people who “do not care ...
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Dec 1st, 2009Quote:
Show me a place where the people love and care about each other and I"' ll show you a place without any politicians.Show me a government that cares about its people. Name one topic that everybody agrees on. And I will show you a frozen hell.
Last edited by china; Dec 1st, 2009 at 01:27 AM..
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Dec 1st, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by china
Ya got me stumped.Show me a place where the people love and care about each other and are not afraid to stand to the polititions
#7
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Dec 1st, 2009
Don't know what to say , Cliffy .
#8
Re: The Viscount Monckton of Brenchley
Dec 1st, 2009
I denounce these statements by The Right Honourable The Viscount Monckton of Brenchley; there is nothing inherently evil or wrong about a global administration with a non-sovereign jurisdiction over areas of such importance to the entire community of nations as the environment and the dangers posed by climate change. The United Nations serves an admirable purpose as a venue for discussion and for tabling issues of international concern; it may not be practical as a world governing body, but it is nonetheless useful and should be maintained.
Climate change deniers (i.e., conservatives) are grasping at straws.
Climate change deniers (i.e., conservatives) are grasping at straws.
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Dec 1st, 2009
He must have loads of money in dirty businesses. lmao In the words of B. Bunny, "Ah, whatta maroon".
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Re: Lord Monckton: Shut Down The UN, Arrest The Warmist Criminals
Dec 2nd, 2009
I'm not sure I agree with Lord Monckton on his views that the global warming loonies want to set up a communistic world government. But I do believe that the West's obsession with "climate change" is looney. I just think goverments have invented the whole idea of "climate change" just as an excuse to tax us by introducing a whole new range of stealth "green taxes."
Lord Monckton, or Christopher Walter Monckton, 3rd Viscount Monckton of Brenchley, served as a science advisor to Margaret Thatcher in the 1980s. He believes the Left invented the theory of man-made Global Warming following its need for "a new flag to rally around" following the fall of the Berlin Wall.
Monckton supports the solar variation theory of global warming. In an apparent reference to British author Gavin Menzies, who wrote a book in 2002 about his belief that ships from the Chinese fleet of admiral Zheng He travelled to the Americas prior to Christopher Columbus' arrival in 1492, including travelling around the North Pole, Monckton once stated: "There was little ice at the North Pole: a Chinese naval squadron sailed right round the Arctic in 1421 and found none."
In the 1990s, Monckton also invented the Eternity puzzle, a geometric puzzle with a £1 millon prize. The puzzle consisted of filling a large almost regular dodecagon with 209 irregularly shaped smaller polygons. One estimate made at the time stated that the puzzle would probably take longer than the lifetime of the Universe to solve.
Lord Monckton, or Christopher Walter Monckton, 3rd Viscount Monckton of Brenchley, served as a science advisor to Margaret Thatcher in the 1980s. He believes the Left invented the theory of man-made Global Warming following its need for "a new flag to rally around" following the fall of the Berlin Wall.
Monckton supports the solar variation theory of global warming. In an apparent reference to British author Gavin Menzies, who wrote a book in 2002 about his belief that ships from the Chinese fleet of admiral Zheng He travelled to the Americas prior to Christopher Columbus' arrival in 1492, including travelling around the North Pole, Monckton once stated: "There was little ice at the North Pole: a Chinese naval squadron sailed right round the Arctic in 1421 and found none."
In the 1990s, Monckton also invented the Eternity puzzle, a geometric puzzle with a £1 millon prize. The puzzle consisted of filling a large almost regular dodecagon with 209 irregularly shaped smaller polygons. One estimate made at the time stated that the puzzle would probably take longer than the lifetime of the Universe to solve.
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Dec 2nd, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf
If that's what he believes, that explains a lot.Lord Monckton, or Christopher Walter Monckton, 3rd Viscount Monckton of Brenchley, served as a science advisor to Margaret Thatcher in the 1980s. He believes the Left invented the theory of man-made Global Warming following its need for "a new flag to rally around" following the fall of the Berlin Wall.
The concept of climate change had been around for a long time before the Berlin Wall fell.
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Dec 9th, 2009
I just watched his presentation Apocalypse? No!
Its an hour and a half... and worth watching.
My conclusion, I don't trust the man or his conclusions.
He cherry picks and spin facts, to support his case, but he makes some valid points.
A question near the end asks why people should people trust Monckton. His answer is that people should be skepical of both sides.
Apocalypse? No!
Its an hour and a half... and worth watching.
My conclusion, I don't trust the man or his conclusions.
He cherry picks and spin facts, to support his case, but he makes some valid points.
A question near the end asks why people should people trust Monckton. His answer is that people should be skepical of both sides.
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Dec 9th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf
It was launched in 1999, and solved in --. In the 1990s, Monckton also invented the Eternity puzzle, a geometric puzzle with a £1 millon prize. The puzzle consisted of filling a large almost regular dodecagon with 209 irregularly shaped smaller polygons. One estimate made at the time stated that the puzzle would probably take longer than the lifetime of the Universe to solve.
That's the problem with people like Monckton, besides his woeful understanding of physics. They underestimate human ingenuity. The market is very good at solving problems. We got lead out of gasoline, sulphur out of our rain, we can get carbon out of our emissions too.
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Dec 9th, 2009
Monckton calling climate crashers "Hitler's Youth" It's funny that Rex Murphy was lamenting the name deniers the other day, because it's a related term to the holocaust. I wonder what he thinks of this name calling?
YouTube - US Youth Crash Climate Denier Live Webcast in Copenhagen
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Lord Monckton: Shut Down The UN, Arrest The Warmist Criminals
Dec 9th, 2009
I just don't see a whole lot of difference between Christopher Monckton
and Al Gore. They're just different ends of the spectrum of this debate.
Trust what either says if you wish, but only as far as you can physically
throw either of them. I think Monckton weighs less than Gore...but you
couldn't throw either of them very far.
and Al Gore. They're just different ends of the spectrum of this debate.
Trust what either says if you wish, but only as far as you can physically
throw either of them. I think Monckton weighs less than Gore...but you
couldn't throw either of them very far.
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Dec 9th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by Dexter Sinister
Indeed. Let us look at the credentials of this luminary. First, he was in Mrs. Thatcher’s cabinet, that by itself is enough to damn him. Thatcher was an extremist (evident by the fact that towards the end, the British people were thoroughly disgusted, thoroughly fed up with her, Thatcher was the only PM in the British history to be booted out of the office of PM by her own party, when she didn’t want to leave, she was dragged kicking and screaming and thrown out of 10 Downing street by her own party) and she mostly appointed extremists to her cabinet.Prison Planet of course is a totally reliable source and Lord Monckton of course is a rational and trained scientific thinker with no agenda but the truth.
--
here are some of the gems from that website.
“Christopher Monckton has blamed Jackie Kennedy for 40 million malaria deaths.”
So according to this hero of China and others, Jackie Kennedy was a worst mass murderer than Hitler and Stalin combined.
“Christopher Monckton has been caught fabricating data and passing himself off as someone with a seat in Parliament. Yet again.”
This website gives a fascinating glimpse into the workings of the mind of this sick personality. Monkton is so extreme right wing that he makes Rush ‘drug addict’ Limbaugh look like Al Sharpton.
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Dec 9th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in Regina
I just don't see a whole lot of difference between Christopher Monckton
and Al Gore. They're just different ends of the spectrum of this debate.
BINGO! I see one difference though. I've seen plenty of Monckton's presentations. He's much like Palin. He'll keep including falsehoods even after they've been debunked. When Gore was informed of the error when he included a graph showing hurricane damage and his linkage of the number of hurricanes, he yanked it from his power point presentation. That's the biggest difference, besides perhaps waist size. Though Monckton is a portly fellow himself!
Monckton
Gore
It's a toss-up!
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Dec 9th, 2009
The only thing I can say about Monckton is that he was & is very willing
to debate Gore.....and Gore isn't willing to debate anyone. They're the
opposite ends way far out on this argument. Both will sell you the Snake
Oil you desire....just step right up and have your wallet handy.
Picture yourself as a Cop try'n to sort out the many stories from the many
witnesses after some kind of occurrence. Gore & Monckton are two of the
many witnesses that you have to interview, but their stories are wildly
different. The truth is probably no where close to either of their stories,
but somewhere in the middle. Thank the Lord for the other witnesses, eh?
to debate Gore.....and Gore isn't willing to debate anyone. They're the
opposite ends way far out on this argument. Both will sell you the Snake
Oil you desire....just step right up and have your wallet handy.
Picture yourself as a Cop try'n to sort out the many stories from the many
witnesses after some kind of occurrence. Gore & Monckton are two of the
many witnesses that you have to interview, but their stories are wildly
different. The truth is probably no where close to either of their stories,
but somewhere in the middle. Thank the Lord for the other witnesses, eh?
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Dec 9th, 2009
If I were a cop I would go to the primary sources, not Gore and Monckton. Gore and Monckton are like reporters. Reporters frame the issue. That's why I don't pay much attention to their message. I can get a better, more cogent message elsewhere, the frame I can put together myself.
Yeah, if it were only those two....well that would suck!
Yeah, if it were only those two....well that would suck!
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Dec 13th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by FiveParadox
I denounce these statements by The Right Honourable The Viscount Monckton of Brenchley; there is nothing inherently evil or wrong about a global administration with a non-sovereign jurisdiction over areas of such importance to the entire community of nations as the environment and the dangers posed by climate change. The United Nations serves an admirable purpose as a venue for discussion and for tabling issues of international concern; it may not be practical as a world governing body, but it is nonetheless useful and should be maintained.
Climate change deniers (i.e., conservatives) are grasping at straws.
OMG! You actually TRUST the UN? Where have you been?? Wow, we really are in more trouble then I anticipated.
I can't believe that you would support an organization that has only its own best interests at heart; that would dictate to us as to what (not) to do while they engage in their own form of corruption and greed while we pay the price. In the meantime, the poor get poorer (seen the price of food lately?) the middle class gets raped (thus making us poorer) and the rich just get richer 'cause they can afford to buy these so called "credits" and, inevitably, invest in the companies that buy and sell them. In the end, the climate continues as it is. What a waste!!
I agree with previous posters that we can all do our "share" by turning down the heat a degree or two, use less water and electricity. With the billions or trillions of dollars that the richer nations are expected to pay into this fraud, will make the whole world less prosperous for the benefit of the few.
And the tarsands are targetted why? What about all the coal powered plants in Europe, Asia and the US? No one says anything about them. Now why would that be??
JMO
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Dec 13th, 2009
Lots of coal powered plants in Canada too. It's -50c with the wind-chill where I'm
sitting right now (& yeah I know, that's weather, not climate), and it's coal that's
powering my house and allowing me to be on here today. No power, no thermostat,
no heat. Not good today.
sitting right now (& yeah I know, that's weather, not climate), and it's coal that's
powering my house and allowing me to be on here today. No power, no thermostat,
no heat. Not good today.
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Dec 13th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by Dixie Cup
Everyone talks about coal plants. The advocate scientist Jim Hansen who has testified before Congress on multiple occasions, has called coal the enemy of the human race. And the tarsands are targetted why? What about all the coal powered plants in Europe, Asia and the US? No one says anything about them. Now why would that be??
JMO
People don't say too much about Europe, because they actually met their Kyoto obligations. Yes, that's right, it's actually possible to do so without ruining your economy, and even without offsets. Europe makes their grade without offsets, and including international-offsets their reductions are roughly 50% greater than they had pledged.
Asia is now home to the world's fastest growing renewable energy as well as the center for manufacturing. China builds more solar cells than anyone else, and they lead the world in wind turbine installation.
Other countries are actually making progress. That's why we don't hear too much about them. We've done nothing.
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Dec 13th, 2009
Where would carbon capture & storage technology fit into this as nothing
being done on the North American front? Isn't this the Pioneering Front
that the Apex 1 countries are suppose to be doing to help clean up our
acts, so that the rest of the globe can copy it on the cheap without having
to come up with the technology (& the expense that goes with it)
themselves? This is one of the pushes at this Copenhagen Meeting...
being done on the North American front? Isn't this the Pioneering Front
that the Apex 1 countries are suppose to be doing to help clean up our
acts, so that the rest of the globe can copy it on the cheap without having
to come up with the technology (& the expense that goes with it)
themselves? This is one of the pushes at this Copenhagen Meeting...
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Dec 13th, 2009
It hasn't translated to any progress Ron. That would be the nothing part. There are technologies now that can make progress, but we've ignored that, ignored large-scale efficiency measures, ignored opportunities in favour of projects that even if they are successful, are many years out in the future.
If the technology pans out, that is great. If it doesn't, then it doesn't do the country that puts all it's eggs into that basket very much good.
If the technology pans out, that is great. If it doesn't, then it doesn't do the country that puts all it's eggs into that basket very much good.
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Dec 13th, 2009
If somebody doesn't step forward with the capital and the wherewithal, we'll
never know if it pans out either. It's new and expensive at this point, and it's
relatively early on so it's not producing significant results yet, but it has to
start somewhere, and somebody's gotta do it. I was just offering balance
on the 'nothing' aspect. I agree, the results don't appear before the
investment and research take place.
We're stepping up to the plate, and if it pays off, with coal being what coal
is environmentally.....well....forward thinking heroes and not zeros. Somebody
has to step out and try this, as coal pollution isn't just a Canadian thing, and
the world will benefit if this works in a huge way.
never know if it pans out either. It's new and expensive at this point, and it's
relatively early on so it's not producing significant results yet, but it has to
start somewhere, and somebody's gotta do it. I was just offering balance
on the 'nothing' aspect. I agree, the results don't appear before the
investment and research take place.
We're stepping up to the plate, and if it pays off, with coal being what coal
is environmentally.....well....forward thinking heroes and not zeros. Somebody
has to step out and try this, as coal pollution isn't just a Canadian thing, and
the world will benefit if this works in a huge way.
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Dec 13th, 2009
If Canada's only contribution is what is happening in Alberta & Saskatchewan,
then yeah....all our eggs would be in one basket, but it's hard to believe that the
rest of Canada isn't taking some initiative also...
then yeah....all our eggs would be in one basket, but it's hard to believe that the
rest of Canada isn't taking some initiative also...
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Re: Lord Monckton: Shut Down The UN, Arrest The Warmist Criminals
Dec 13th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in Regina
The only thing I can say about Monckton is that he was & is very willing
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to debate Gore.....and Gore isn't willing to debate anyone. They're the
opposite ends way far out on this argument. Both will sell you the Snake
Oil you desire....just step right up and have your wallet handy.
Picture yourself as a Cop try'n to sort out the many stories from the many
witnesses after some kind of occurrence. Gore & Monckton are two of the
many witnesses that you have to interview, but their stories are wildly
different. The truth is probably no where close to either of their stories,
but somewhere in the middle. Thank the Lord for the other witnesses, eh?
Many people are interested in debating Gore, Ron; Gore is an international celebrity and a Nobel Prize winner. So of course people want to debate Gore, they hope that their prestige will increase that way. Lord Monckton is a relative nobody and a right wing extremist. He hopes to gain credibility, respectability by debating Gore.
But what is in it for Gore? He is hardly going to gain by debating a nobody like Lord Monckton. If Gore won the debate, the reaction would be big deal; anybody could win against an extremist. If Gore loses the debate, that will be a disaster for him. Either way, there is no incentive for Gore to debate Lord Monckton.
Now, if Lord Monckton can raise say 10 or 20 million $ and offer to donate it to green organizations to reduce greenhouse gases if Gore would debate him, I am sure Gore would be ready in a flash.
But short of that, why should an international celebrity like Gore debate a nobody extremist like Lord Monckton? I have a friend who plays golf (I don’t). If he challenged Tiger Woods for golf, do you think Woods will accept the challenge?
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Dec 13th, 2009
Yes, I too think they're both extremists selling Snake Oil.
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Dec 13th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in Regina
Quebec has their own plan, BC has their carbon tax, I think Ontario has something as well. But it's Canada who signed the treaty, not BC, not Quebec, and not Ontario. Those provinces are represented at the COP-15 in Copenhagen, as they represent 75% of the Canadian population, and they want Ottawa to take a larger leadership role.If Canada's only contribution is what is happening in Alberta & Saskatchewan,
then yeah....all our eggs would be in one basket, but it's hard to believe that the
rest of Canada isn't taking some initiative also...
The federal response hasn't amounted to anything. My personal opinion is that this is a missed opportunity in Ottawa. This issue provides a good framework to address other issues, like inter-provincial trade barriers, and our falling productivity. The Government is making no plans, for an issue which requires long-term planning.
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Dec 13th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by Tonington
DittoQuebec has their own plan, BC has their carbon tax, I think Ontario has something as well. But it's Canada who signed the treaty, not BC, not Quebec, and not Ontario. Those provinces are represented at the COP-15 in Copenhagen, as they represent 75% of the Canadian population, and they want Ottawa to take a larger leadership role.
The federal response hasn't amounted to anything. My personal opinion is that this is a missed opportunity in Ottawa. This issue provides a good framework to address other issues, like inter-provincial trade barriers, and our falling productivity. The Government is making no plans, for an issue which requires long-term planning.
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