Lord Monckton: Shut Down The UN, Arrest The Warmist Criminals

Lord Monckton: Shut Down The UN, Arrest The Warmist Criminals

Ron in Regina

#31

Lord Monckton: Shut Down The UN, Arrest The Warmist Criminals

Dec 13th, 2009

Yep....that tied to the American response can produce bad optics Globally
but here we are....plugging away, and it's good to hear than many are doing
something across this country. Ottawa can step forward and back the
initiatives taking place in this country regionally to a much further
extent too.

SirJosephPorter

#32

Re: Lord Monckton: Shut Down The UN, Arrest The Warmist Criminals

Dec 13th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by Tonington

Quebec has their own plan, BC has their carbon tax, I think Ontario has something as well. But it's Canada who signed the treaty, not BC, not Quebec, and not Ontario. Those provinces are represented at the COP-15 in Copenhagen, as they represent 75% of the Canadian population, and they want Ottawa to take a larger leadership role.

The federal response hasn't amounted to anything. My personal opinion is that this is a missed opportunity in Ottawa. This issue provides a good framework to address other issues, like inter-provincial trade barriers, and our falling productivity. The Government is making no plans, for an issue which requires long-term planning.

It all breaks down on political lines, Tonington. BC, Ontario, Quebec have Liberal governments, they are doing something about it. Wherever there are Conservative governments (federally and provincially), they are doing squat, they are content in claiming that global warming is a hoax (perhaps generated by Al Qaeda to ruin Canada’s economy).

I think it comes down to the influence of Alberta oil lobby and religious right. At least federally, they are strong constituencies for the Conservatives.

lone wolf

#33

Re: Lord Monckton: Shut Down The UN, Arrest The Warmist Criminals

Dec 13th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorter

It all breaks down on political lines, Tonington. BC, Ontario, Quebec have Liberal governments, they are doing something about it. Wherever there are Conservative governments (federally and provincially), they are doing squat, they are content in claiming that global warming is a hoax (perhaps generated by Al Qaeda to ruin Canada’s economy).

I think it comes down to the influence of Alberta oil lobby and religious right. At least federally, they are strong constituencies for the Conservatives.

So.... Are you Beavis or Butthead?

Whaddaya suppose calcium chloride - that "brine" that makes road salt work at lower temperatures - is doing for Liberal Ontario highways, wetlands and wildlife?

Tonington

#34

Re: Lord Monckton: Shut Down The UN, Arrest The Warmist Criminals

Dec 13th, 2009

Beavis or Butthead, reminds me a utoob video I saw recently

Ron in Regina

#35

Lord Monckton: Shut Down The UN, Arrest The Warmist Criminals

Dec 13th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorter

It all breaks down on political lines, Tonington. BC, Ontario, Quebec have Liberal governments, they are doing something about it. Wherever there are Conservative governments (federally and provincially), they are doing squat, they are content in claiming that global warming is a hoax (perhaps generated by Al Qaeda to ruin Canada’s economy).

I think it comes down to the influence of Alberta oil lobby and religious right. At least federally, they are strong constituencies for the Conservatives.

The Left-Right Political Spectrum Stereotyping thing just doesn't fit into
every subject in every Thread on this Forum, or in Life for that matter.

Sometimes (much of the time) it's just a huge sidetrack to any discussion
outside of a discussion of the Left-Right Political Spectrum Stereotyping
thing.

Dixie Cup

#36

Re: Lord Monckton: Shut Down The UN, Arrest The Warmist Criminals

Dec 20th, 2009

[People don't say too much about Europe, because they actually met their Kyoto obligations. Yes, that's right, it's actually possible to do so without ruining your economy, and even without offsets. Europe makes their grade without offsets, and including international-offsets their reductions are roughly 50% greater than they had pledged.

Excuse me - Europe's economy has not been ruined? Try telling that to the individuals who are paying 2 and 3 times the amount for power and gas and are struggling not only with increased prices but a global meltdown as well.

As for "reducing their off-sets," I thought it was about reducing CO2 emissions? The fact that it hasn't happened is really disturbing and the fact that a few have gotten extremely rich as a result is despicable!

Aside: As for Copenhagen how can anyone accept giving hundreds of billions of dollars to countries without any accountability on how it's being spent (one of the demands of the poorer countries). It's unbelievable at best and economic suicide for us at its worst.

I don't know about you but I like heat in my house when it's -40 below.

JMO

taxslave

#37

Re: Lord Monckton: Shut Down The UN, Arrest The Warmist Criminals

Dec 20th, 2009

Contrary to what the ecoterrorists claim coal can be made to burn cleaner than natural gas or oil. CO2 emissions can also be captured and reused if there is an incentive to do so. Cap and trade is not the answer but a tax incentive to find more ways to reuse carbon would work. Perhaps integrating carbon producers with carbon users like steel mills. Make it profitable and industry will find a way to make it happen.

lone wolf

#38

Re: Lord Monckton: Shut Down The UN, Arrest The Warmist Criminals

Dec 20th, 2009

I wonder whatever happened to the ACE steam locomotive?

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Avro

#39

Re: Lord Monckton: Shut Down The UN, Arrest The Warmist Criminals

Dec 20th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave

Contrary to what the ecoterrorists claim coal can be made to burn cleaner than natural gas or oil. CO2 emissions can also be captured and reused if there is an incentive to do so. Cap and trade is not the answer but a tax incentive to find more ways to reuse carbon would work. Perhaps integrating carbon producers with carbon users like steel mills. Make it profitable and industry will find a way to make it happen.

How about a carbon tax?

Tonington

#40

Re: Lord Monckton: Shut Down The UN, Arrest The Warmist Criminals

Dec 21st, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave

Contrary to what the ecoterrorists claim coal can be made to burn cleaner than natural gas or oil. CO2 emissions can also be captured and reused if there is an incentive to do so. Cap and trade is not the answer but a tax incentive to find more ways to reuse carbon would work. Perhaps integrating carbon producers with carbon users like steel mills. Make it profitable and industry will find a way to make it happen.

Metallurgical coal is completely different than the coal used in power generating stations. You can't create met coal from flue emissions, it wouldn't be economically viable. Cap and trade, or any price on carbon is the incentive. If there is a commercially viable product then that is what the market excels at. I mean with cap and trade a company can still capture the carbon, and try to sell it to steel producers, if they develop the technology to do so.

darkbeaver

#41

Re: Lord Monckton: Shut Down The UN, Arrest The Warmist Criminals

Dec 21st, 2009

How about carbonating milk products and tooth paste?

Dixie Cup

#42

Re: Lord Monckton: Shut Down The UN, Arrest The Warmist Criminals

Oct 30th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver

How about carbonating milk products and tooth paste?

ha ha ha ha ha - good one!

Actually, I too have heard that coal can be quite clean burning, especially the coal found in - wait for it - Alberta. With the high tech scrubbers, emissions can be reduced considerably and the coal found in Alberta is somehow different than say the US where it is much "dirtier". I can not, for the life of me remember why that is right now, but apparently there are different "classes" of coal and Alberta has the better one.

Cobalt_Kid

#43

Re: Lord Monckton: Shut Down The UN, Arrest The Warmist Criminals

Oct 30th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by Dixie Cup

ha ha ha ha ha - good one!

Actually, I too have heard that coal can be quite clean burning, especially the coal found in - wait for it - Alberta. With the high tech scrubbers, emissions can be reduced considerably and the coal found in Alberta is somehow different than say the US where it is much "dirtier". I can not, for the life of me remember why that is right now, but apparently there are different "classes" of coal and Alberta has the better one.

"Clean coal" is anything but. Scrubbing the emissions removes some of the sulphates but it doesn't remove the CO2 which is becoming the big issue now and coal puts a lot of other nasty stuff into the air and water around us like mercury, lead, arsenic and heavy metals.

Anthracite coal is older and more pure with less water and is cleaner burning, but it's all relative. Coal is a 19th century fuel, it's long past it's due date.

Carbon sesquestration is decades down the road so we should be phasing out coal use now.

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